Horus Heresy General /hhg/

I always take 2 hunter-killers on each javelin. That's four Str 8 shots at BS 5, half of them TL, on the turn it comes in and blows its load for just 65 points. And if it survives the retaliation it can still do something !

There is no such thing as too many land speeders !

Nah what it should be is "Inferno - making /hgg/ great again" on a billboard or something

For normal land speeders whats the optimal loadout for vehicle hunting? Single multi melta + 2 hunter killers?

Interestingly, today's real-life /pol/ news is discussing the definition of "access to." Two of our favorite topics, /pol/ and chainaxes, all rolled into one. I won't state any opinion on either.

On a more serious note, are dreadnought drop pods still out of stock? I've heard that footslogging Leviathans exist only to die, but a Kharbydis is hard to justify (in both points and money). What do? All the stupid drop pods other than the plastic one are such expensive models and it sounds like they suck to assemble. Argh. Give me a tracked vehicle or 3-wheeled bike to make them faster. (Ooh, that means White Scars might consider taking them.)

I hope White Scars get something pretty unique to make up for all the unit types they seem not to take.

White Scars in the HH make up for their paucity in certain units with having the sickest burns in all of the fiction.

>that means White Scars might consider taking them

White Scars have dreads, super heavies, artillery etc. They just have fewer heavy assets. Fewer Deredeos and Leviathans does not mean zero.

Normal speeders can take graviton guns. Add a multi-melta and you already have some serious vehicle stopping power

Footslogging leviathans with double stormcannons are a pain. Chew through anything without a 2+ and light vehicles with little effort and hard to shut down because of the stupid 4++ they have.

Or a grav gun to haywire them armoured ceramites

>I've heard that footslogging Leviathans exist only to die, but a Kharbydis is hard to justify
But they can take regular dread drop pods user

Is there anything I could approximate a graviton gun with? They aren't too expensive from FW but I don't want to wait a month to fill out 5 land speeders.

I wish they would delve more into the Emperor childhood and nos former immediate family.
Like how he delivered justice upon his uncle for murdering his father and we also also discovered that the Emperor had a girl cousin

No, it's fine as it is...But I'd like to know more about the shamans

Are you sure, you don't want more Lil emperor pre-historic adventures?maybe we will learn that his mother was a MILF

They're out of stock.

I wish contemptor squadrons could take pods and GW would make plastic dread pods. Like, seriously, you can't even fit a boxnought into the regular drop pod, how is that suppose to transport contemptors as well?

In the old RoC lore it said he brothers and sisters so he was the baby of the bunch.

Finally finished a Rhino. Damn they're as boring to paint as I remember.

That looks really good.

It's like the one in the book. Nice, user.

Its cool. But the black seems blank you put transfers there? Maybe weather the black a bit.

Cheers. The black actually has grey sponging on it, it doesn't show particularly well in photos however. I'll likely add some kind of unit marking on the big doors though. Maybe.

Company or Battalion markings?

There's an amazing guy on Bolter and Chainsword whose Iron Warriors are the XIV Dragoons and they have their very own unique symbol on their tanks.

Ah I see. Your IW are pretty cool. Got a group shot?

I really should come up with a company or battalion. Always up for seeing more IVth, link?

Not currently I'm afraid. I'll likely be aiming to finish painting most of it first, as currently it's all arranged in a cupboard.

bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278209-xiv-dragoon-vii-grand-company-iv-legion-13jun2015/

He is the Bolter and Chainsword's foremost Iron Warriors fan. He makes most of the IWfags here look tame.

He also hates Angel Exterminatus.

His imperial heralds or whatever the word bearers use to be look nice.

>He also hates Angel Exterminatus
A man of taste.

That quote on Peturabo's page about it being a crime against his character came from him. It was lifted from Bolter and Chainsword and dropped there for interest.

White Scars object to Dreadnauts on a cultural level not a tactical one.

Excellent, thanks. Seems it's not been updated in a while, but more than enough to look through for now, cheers.

What quote you say?

Angel Exterminatus was an absolute crime against Perturabo. I will give credit to McNeil for his grand attempt to humanize the mind the most mentally inhuman primarchs, but Occam's Razor applies here, as it always does in the mindset of the Iron Lord. Simplicity is the key, expedience the goal. His is a mind entirely composed of mathematical equations, looking at the world around him in angles and percentages, statistics and numbers. Emotion is unwelcome, an unfactorable variable, but it's always there, the ghost that haunts his finely tuned thoughts. He buried his dreams and his heart on Olympia's ridges, and willingly cut all ties and dived into Hell, because his Father asked him to. He murdered millions, because his father asked him to. He broke empires, shattered armies, and his Legion bore the most grievous wounds and losses, because his father asked him to. And he ignored the implications of it all, because his Father asked him to.

Do you honestly believe none of this ground into his long lost humanity, the empty core of his being that he cut out, because his Father asked him to?

He is War-Broken. We're talking about God-Level traumatic mental disorder here. Perturabo can't control his emotions at times. He stares out at nothingness, and speaks to his past. One moment, he's unreachable, and the next he's ripping your head off because you brought him bad news. He can become utterly lost in fine details, both in crafting weaponry, and tearing down citadels. It calms him, returns his mind back the the emotionless numbers that represent hundreds of thousands of his sons dying. The further detached he became from reality, the further he tried to hide from the horror he was crafting, the worse his emotions got.

And Perturabo still buried that shit. He moved forward. He got the damn job done, and the next, and the next, with precise equations and algorithms.

Olympia was the line crossed. His mind broke, his heart broke, and he became the Monster he ran from his whole life.

Because his Father asked him to.

>that copy pasta
Defend him often I see

>Before his internment within a Dreadnought, Honoured Temajin served as part of the great Kyublai Khan's Honour Guard.

>However, whilst locked in a great duel with a fell champion of the Black Legion, Temajin was shot in the back by a Legionnaire's plasma gun and laid low.

>Whilst many White Scars find the prospect of being confined within the metal sarcophagus a horror, believing their soul should be allowed to roam free, Temajin has vowed to hunt down and enact revenge against the coward who shot him.

If Iron warriors wore yellow and Imperial fist wore silver how many fags would actually like Perturbo?

Pasta or not, no reason to change it if you get it right on the first try.
That's a very nice argument.

I would still identify with Perturabo, and orange is my favourite colour, so in fact I'd like the IWs even more.
Even if they had the IF battle role, I'd still be IW.

and yet they still make use of them, just less so than other legions/chapters

Rolled 7 (1d10)

Thats a strong conviction user. If they were actually yellow the hazard stripes on top, would make them the construction vehicle legion.

I will roll the dice to see if Perty wanted you decimated.

Personally I can't relate to any of them, they all seem retarded.

Playing EC, got a sizable amount of infantry from BaC/BoP and a Dreadclaw.
What should I prioritize next?

>Land Raider Phobos for Breacher/Terminator/Primarch transporting
>Rhino for Volkite Charger Support/Seeker transporting
>Javelin(s) for mobile anti-tank
>Venator for mobile anti-tank
>Jetbikes for mobile anti-tank

Testing reds for Thousand Sons, what do you think?

Get a bunch of jetpacks
Get a bunch of Grey Knight style glaives
Get two Land Raider Spartans
Get two Contemptor Mortis
Get Eidolon and Fulgrim
Re-enact this glorious battle all day every day: youtu.be/-Fs5v3YbVJQ

Looks good, although I would have gone with green eyes.

I think it's a bit pale. I like the blue eyes

I'd go for something like pic related. (This shit isn't mine obv)

Source
bolterandchainsword.com/topic/318086-the-red-sorcerers-of-prospero-exiles-of-osiris/?p=4277525

There's a vague guide of how he did it in this post.

I like it, shiny but not stupidly shiny like some people do.

Yeah, I'm not sure what to do with the eyes, they're a work in progress, this was really just a test of the red.

>I think it's a bit pale.

It is actually a fair bit darker in person, but my light set up is none too good at the moment.

Thanks, I did have him very shiny but it was bit distracting.

Isn't that the guy who went cray over his Stormbird's stand.

Go home, Nusquam, you're drunk.

Well if it's darker in persona and you like it go for it.

yep

Hey is the guy who did this Iron Warrior still here? I wanted to know if you'd be open to a one-off commission. I'd like a truescale marine of this quality for a tabletop RPG.

Daily reminder that you poked the bear! XD

24th

I'm still here. Are you on the Discord?

What is this shit meme and why do you force it like a faggot?

>Personally I can't relate to any of them, they all seem retarded.
That's why I can relate :^/
Until the bitter end, user.

Don't respond to them, that feeds their ego.

>tfw I just bought an icecream.

I made pic related in the hopes of correcting my problem. But I'm happy you like a legion that much user. you also survived the decimation

>I made pic related in the hopes of correcting my problem
What problem?
Sometimes the path to know what you want is accepting what you are, which doesn't necessarily mean remaining what you are.
You can always become better, user!

>if Dorn and or Pert had an office

So black shields who don't give a fuck? I feel like that kinda misses the point of the heresy.

Drunk on leaving no survivors

You do remember that's a novel, right?
Blackshield
ft Caleb Decima, Morturg and pic related.

Space Marine pirates, before the Red Corsairs were cool

I am not. I would need to learn how to use it real quick. Unless you are on rizon.net

Whats the name of the novel? I haven't kept up with BL

blacklibrary.com/all-products/blackshield.html

Haven't used irc in an age I'm afraid.

Here's a discord link - discord.gg/S8Wwr

Ah it's by Wraight too. I'll check it out.

>>So we'll never see these shields sold on their own, right?
>but they are?
Where?

Chinkland.

If FW persist with the BaC squad, I might actually consider this. Would feel no remorse too.

A list with just one pod would be unusual. Get more.

Not that user, but boo, I need an app to possibly also inquire about a true scale commission?

These guys look dope. Sauce?

Planning on starting out 30k soon so messing around with a plan of fluffy models to get.
r8 my Alpha Legion list m8s

Legion: Alpha Legion
Rite of War: Legion Recon Company

HQ [1]
Armillus Dynat

Troops [4]
10x Legion Recon Squad
>Cameleoline, Sniper Rifles
10x Legion Recon Squad
>Cameleoline, Sniper Rifles
10x Legion Recon Squad
>Cameleoline, Sniper Rifles
10x Legion Tactical Support Squad
>Plasma guns

Fast Attack [3]
3x Legion Javelin Attack Speeder Squadron
>Heavy Bolters, Cyclone Missile Launcher
10x Legion Seeker Squad
10x Legion Seeker Squad

Heavy Support [2]
Legion Fire Raptor Gunship
>Tempest Rockets, Reaper Autocannon Battery
Sicaran Venator Tank Destroyer
>Armoured Ceramite, Lascannon Sponsons

The idea is that all the Infantry Scouts or Infiltrates up into some Ruins for that sweet, sweet Turn 1 2+ Cover save and then hopefully get some decent shots in before the Raptor shows up and the Venator Hetzer's in for support.
Was kind of hoping to get a Saboteur in there as well to combo with Dynat but damn he costs a decent amount for a single dude running around with no access to heavier weaponry.
And I guess I'll just curl up and cry or whatever whenever I have to go up against an Admech player.

Also is it just me or are the Alpha Legion Special Units kind of pointless?
The Headhunters have this schizophrenic wargear list due to how oddly clashing a lot of the Alpha Legion armory is.
Like Venom Spheres with no access to better weapons than Power Daggers with no access to a Lightning Claw for the Prime either, losing access to the fantastic Specialist ammos for the benefit of costing 20 more points and 5 points more per guy, no Mark for Death, etc.
They have Infiltrate base though I guess.
Not the mention the Lernaeans that are scoring with Volkite Chargers and Axes for storming objectives (neat) having near exclusive access to Conversion Beamers (confusing).
They just seem kind of lame and confused on what they should be doing.

That image, couldn't help myself.

>Also is it just me or are the Alpha Legion Special Units kind of pointless?
>The Headhunters have this schizophrenic wargear list due to how oddly clashing a lot of the Alpha Legion armory is.
>Not the mention the Lernaeans that are scoring with Volkite Chargers and Axes for storming objectives (neat) having near exclusive access to Conversion Beamers (confusing).
B-but muh tacticool loadout, user-kun
You're right, the AL legion specifics need a complete rehaul. Thing is, we're not getting any.

The Lerneans used to be kind of like shooty Justaerin...that is until the later gained +1BS and +1W along with a noticeable price reduction, while still keeping the WS5 Furious Charge and Retinue + Chosen Warriors that characterized them.

>"They're good and we're overcompensating for their initial overcosted version, plz buy!"

Not to mention the Headhunters are worse than the previous version, having lost Preferred Enemy (All infantry) while ALSO lacking the original Seeker "Designated Prey". Because you know, the Alpha Legion invented Seekers.

Regarding your list, Dynat isn't contributing to your list AT ALL (no Sweep, no Dreads, barely one AP2 squad), not to mention he's alone AND legging it.

0/XXth headhunt again.

Headhunters are subpar for sure. They're essentialy worse than Vet Tacs and the recently updated Seekers. Which is a shame really. Good concept, poor execution.

Lernaeans are top-notch. They're only 3 pts. more expensive on a model per model base than Legion Terminators and gain WS 5 and Stubborn for that price. If you want assault-oriented terminators go for Lernaeans.

You'll be better served with Skorr and a Vigilator in this list.
You lack anti-tank. Las-sponsons on Venator aren't a wise choice as his main weapon is ordnance.

On AL specific units...
Headhunters are crap due to how good Seeker are.
Lernaeans are an excellent unit for the cost. Conversion Beamer is an awesome option, if a bit situational. In ZM it's going to pay off on the first blast. No one is forcing you to take it.
I'd say perhaps you should take a look at the Ultramarines section, they might be more to your liking. ...nothing personnel/tips fedora and slashes through air with katana

This is the type of person who plays space wolves and will be at the weekender.

He never showed up, did he?

could you post a tutorial on how you did your weathering? im incredibly curious

Either he meant the weekender, or
>Ryanair
happened

Fair point on the Lernaeans, they're are pretty good.
It's just Assault Terminators doesn't seem very tacticool operators operating tacticooly you know?

but i dun wanna pley ultras user i wanna pley alfas
I get that you're probably talking about Coils but I got kind of turned off by the idea after seeing too many guys taking shit like Gal Vorbak with it.

Yeah you're probably right with Dynat, mainly brought him for the Cognis-signum.
Could probably replace him with Skorr and a Master of Signals for effectively the same benefit.

What was that faggot mad about? What happen to the space pups?
I assume ryanair is unreliable airline held together with duct tape?

Well, if he goes in with a bad attitude he's going to get kicked out in short order.

If he goes in with a modicum of respect and asks about the Wolves to Bligh in person, he'll get a decent answer. Bligh is a really nice guy, he's the sort who will buy you a beer to chat about the Heresy over. Sitting with him and chatting in the pub part of a HH Weekender was a massive highlight.

I dearly wish he would take over all of 40k, he's passionate, fair and loves what he does.

Bligh really is a champ he answered my question about minotaurs on a forum where he was incognito.

Answer was the chevrons minotaurs have represent kill markings. IIRC 1 chervon was meant to be like 50 or a 100.

TWO AND A HALF WEEKS

They cant possibly delay it this close, right?

We should have had the first trailer by now. If it isn't out this Friday, then the chances of it being delayed become probable.