What is your hard scifi?

>Interstellar
>Hard sci-fi

Riiiiiiiiight.

It's exactly what I was talking about. Wormholes, timetravel, etc to make the plot work.

>Hard sci fi

Gravity (2013 film)

Planetes... if you ignore the FTL drives which are never actually used (still being developed/built)

Apollo 13 I guess.

If your science fiction just presents a fictional take on the world as we know it to be, then it is just called "fiction."

Science fiction requires a fiction about science. A fiction is an "invention or fabrication as opposed to fact."

Science fiction, even "hard" sci-fi, requires that it make non-factual assumptions about science, by definition.

Most of the science is sound, and very nearly plausible. That's about as hard as you're going to get.

Or maybe you're that faggot that posted the "running Sci-Fi genre games" shitpost earlier in the week.

What would pure white be?

William Gibson.

>Or maybe you're that faggot
A faggot, yes, but not that faggot

Shadowrun?

It's got scifi, it's got fantasy, it's got modern.

Take something like Gravity, or Intetstellar, or something. Invent a precursor race that seeded the universe with genetically similar races to humans. These are your fantasy races. Elves, dwarves, orcs, hobbits, humans, goblins, zora, whatever. Maybe some low-fantasy magic similar to the Force if you're feeling frisky.

It's essentially what my setting is.

>sci fi
>Apollo 13
wat

The Expanse. Start with the book Leviathan Wakes. It's quasi- hard Sci-Fi. But really fucking interesting. Great characters, plot and story. I love it..

For real hard sci-fi Try out Peter F. Hamilton's Pandora Star series. (Part of the CommonWealth series)

Also check out Century Rain by Alistair Reynolds. I don't really enjoy Alistairs works but his stuff is very hard Sci-Fi...especially Revelation Space.

>moon landings

Larry Niven is fun. Some people don't find it hard enough though.

Children of a Dead Earth.

The only sci-fi accurate computer game that requires you to know how to:

1. Build a nuclear weapon with different fissionable components.
2. Build the elaborate array of coils, reinforcement, and materials for a nuclear sabot.
3. Build the ship that it will be carried on out of like 250 different materials with heat radiators, proper reactor shielding, and calculating a mass ratio to have reasonable delta-v to get to a military objective.
4. Plot orbital trajectories to engage enemy forces and align intercepts for missiles.
5. Get horribly killed as you are struck by high speed projectiles going like 7km/s relative.

Eclipse Phase is hard sci-fi

It has little realism
The only reason i don't say NO realism is because it's set on Earth technically

>Interstellar
STOP

A Wrinkle In Time?

I feel this is a really good answer.
Not, like, Sprawl trilogy Gibson, but later Gibson, where he starts doing super spooky near-future/five minutes in the future stories about spies and loneliness. Pattern Recognition, and maybe Idoru, though Idoru is more traditional sci-fi.

>tfw want to run a hard sci-fi psychological horror game
>based on the Doldrums and old sailor folktales
>space is cold and dark and deadly
>but nobody is sufficiently interested to play

How doesn't it have realism?

It's set not just on earth, but an extension of the earth timeline we know today, with all the same cities and such. It has many of the same companies (or at least, has backstories for how they evolved into new companies) and such, and much of the equipment is quite realistic - Everything from AK look alike rifles to realistic drugs (Cram I believe is based on amphetamines, for example).

Star wars!

The Martian. The event that stranded him is impossible. And NASA getting that much funding is wish fulfillment.

There is a lovely chapter out of the Aliens Colonial Marines guidebook that details the fine points of orbital denial

It's about space janitors. That screw is travelling at tens of thousands of km/h, and could destroy an entire spaceship if it hit one. So someone's gotta go out into space and clean up all the dead satellites.

It's also one of the very few anime/movies/tv shows that actually understands zero-g and orbital mechanics. Unlike all the bullshit in Gravity.

What the heck, here's the whole thing

Space combat starts on page 116, but the whole thing is a great well-thought out read if you like the Aliens franchise

scribd.com/doc/21995420/Aliens-1-Colonial-marines-technical-manual

Very underrated show.

I don't have one. I don't have enough faith in our epistemological faculties to think we could create something genuinely realistic. I think even "hard" sci-fi is just fantasy where the base has been shifted to something the author and his fanbase don't find offensive enough to pick at. Demonstration of this can be seen in the fact that speculative fiction, even that which was rooted in scientific principles and careful forethought has largely not resulted in any meaningful predictions, besides those that can only be considered accurate predictions if you squint really hard at them.

Known Space is a great universe. I got introduced to the Ringworld and the Puppeteers and Kzin pretty young, and never regretted it.

That man writes some fuck awful porn though. I'm not reading your books for the women, Niven.

>FTL drives in Planètes
If you talk about tandem mirror engines, it isn't in any case FTL. These engines are based on He3 fusion, and are developed to shorten the travel to Jupiter to a seven years expedition. That's really far from FTL

I always wanted to run a game in Known Space, but I never got around to it. Also I'm not sure what system to use.

For fuck's sake, retard, the 'fiction' can mean 100% correct physics and a STORY about THINGS THAT DID NOT HAPPEN. Motherfucking imbecile.

Absolutely uninterested after the last one-shot I had with a math PHD student.
I never been so bored in my life, the only saving grace is I found out how long my phone battery can last using the web.

dude, he's manipulating gravity with the power of love

that's not hard sci fi

>someone else read Planetes
I swear I own the 2 bigger books covering all of it and I feel like I made it up sometimes. So rarely see it even mentioned.

Wings of Honneamise.
Actually I'd call it more pure fantasy but nobody's going to agree with me because no magic lol

You are an excellent user.

I'd like to add The Expanse (the TV incarnation, haven't got to the books yet) to that list, I just love when shows make an effort for newtonian physics.

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I know how to do point 5 already

Reminder that "hard sci-fi" does not mean "no theoretically technology" OR "no made-up technology."

There are many different subdivisions of hard sci-fi. It can include things like imagining a completely impossible technology like FTL travel and rigorously exploring the effects it might have on society.

It is much more nuanced than just "muh realism."

Lame. Hard Sci-Fi is fucking lame.

I'm currently writing a Hard SciFi setting that leads into a full-on futuristic fantas setting on Mars. We are talking full-on feudalism, wizards and knights fighting "dragons", yet everything has a reasonable explanation and is part from a clear and traceable chain of events.
Shit's a lot of fun to come up with.

Orion's Arm.

>helicopter a mecha in so it can machine gun the bad guys from a distance
>this is an advancement over putting the machine gun on the helicopter

Indeed. Fuel ain't cheap. We need cheap alternatives to fight some Ak-47 wielding mobs somewhere in pseudo-Tibet Central Asiastan.

the Martian was breddy gud

The mech walked into a cave. I mean, a thermobaric bomb would do a more thorough job, but I guess they didn't want to for some reason.

I mean, we bought the thing, might as well use it for something, right? Though that puts it way towards the green on the genre scale.

It was secret weapon test for a mech doing sophisticated operations. Plus mission was to recover the flag and to get it in one piece as much as possible.

Oh right, I forgot about the flag. Which is fucked up seeing how the anime is called FLAG.

The Mote in God's Eye is pretty damn hard. The softest thing the humans have is a warp drive and deflector shields, but the warp drive is so situational that one guy describes having to jump to a point AWAY from his destination, then spend a week accelerating at 3 Gees to get to a point where he can jump towards his destination, all of which takes shorter than just going in a straight line.
On the other hand, the aliens have a caste which exists entirely to make soft sci-fi inventions.

Footfall is also a super-hard sci-fi book.

To be fair, even the other characters knew she was full of shit. She insists on visiting her boyfriend's planet first because they "have a connection", at which point they promptly ignore her and check out the others. And when she finally gets to him, surprise surprise, he's been dead for like a week.

>Footfall
Michael is best low-tech space battleship, someone debate me.

You're lame, nerd.

Aurora 4x is the best hard sci fi game imo, based on these lines: FTL is possible, thanks to these new elements we discovered. No we have no idea how they work, they're even called trans-Newtonian because they defy all classical laws of physics, but the point is we need more of them, so go build an empire.

I like you.

How's the air pressure, higher by terraforming, or at least in the valleys? IIRC you can get reasonable human-powered flight going.

Hannu Rajaniemi's Jean le Flambeur series, full of juicy quantum mechanics without explaining anything.

The Quantum Thief
The Fractal Prince
The Causal Angel

This game is awesome.

The closest rpg I can think is vanguard free rpg

"Hard Scifi" is what happens when boring people want to jerk off over science under the guise of fiction.

>boring people
We can't all be fun exciting people like you user who spend their time shitting on other people's tastes in fiction on an anonymous image board for fun.

>jerk off over science
You say that like it's a bad thing.

>under the guise of fiction.
>the guise
Are you claiming that these events actually took place? The mars trilogy was a real story? Now that's a twist.

It's the year 2018. It's like 2017 but there's a new model of iphone in the stores.

I disagree with this.
I don't see sci-fi as distinct from realism as it is from fantasy.
To me sci-fi is all about speculation, using whatever is in the science headlines (what articles you use, the research themselves or pop-sci clickbait, deciding the hardness factor) and fantasy is about creating new worlds from whatever sounds engaging, instead of what sounds probable.

Hard scifi is what people that want to justify soft scifi being called scifi call actual scifi. Black mirror is scifi, doctor who is not.

Issac Arthur

youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g

How did the war in Syria end? Is there still a refugee crisis in Europe? Did deluded media consumers kill Trump yet? If so, how does that influence the state of national security, race relations and increasing political tension? If not, are foreign products now more expensive in the US? Did that help against unemployment? Did any demographic become richer or poorer as a result? How did China respond to the new foreign policy of one of their biggest trading partners?

>The mars trilogy was a story
That's a stretch.

things got worse and stupider

there's still no new ipad worth upgrading to

grrm and sanderson died before finishing anything, unfortunately rothfuss still lives

Both sides declared victory, nobody's shooting at each other. Yes. No. N/A. Slightly. A bit. Too early to tell. Built another carrier but kept selling us crap.

I may be a bit hard on scifi. As a kid I watched the moon landing, I watched the shuttle. I was watched the ISS (heap of shit that it is) get constructed. I loved space and always wanted to work there. Although I never got the chance to go there myself I do help design satellites.I know my level of hardness it more than most.

Interstellar exist to show off visual effects and show what relativity. Other than the ship design and it taking quite a while to get anywhere it's very soft. It exist purely to do one part of it extremely hard. The rest is soft otherwise they would have been destroyed by x-rays long before they landed. Relativity is shown fantastically hard though.

Gravity looks fantastic. It's a visual experience and very soft. Sure they don't have ftl or go more than 800km away from Holy Terra but everything shown is a fiction. Even Kessler syndrome suffers the hollywood effect.

The expanse set in our solar system is very good series and to anybody with netflix please watch it but in terms of how it deals with vacuum it's very jaring. Also the premise of water shortage in space, in the belt is laughable.

>Gravity looks fantastic. It's a visual experience and very soft.
The scene where she takes off her spacesuit and floats in a fetal position is incredible, gave me a real children of the stars vibe. I don't care that they're all on different orbits, it's a beautiful film.

>Also the premise of water shortage in space, in the belt is laughable.
I think they explained this by having it all mined out of Ceres or something? Probably didn't know how watery it was then. Biggest immersion-breaker for me was how everyone rushed to turn on their magnet-boots so they could act like they were in gravity.

>Interstellar exist to show off visual effects and show what relativity.
I couldn't stand how easy it was for them to drop a space shuttle on a normal-grav world in a black hole's gravity well and then just pop back up to orbit and go back to the mothership. It was worse because I didn't expect them to pull something like that.

>Hard scifi is what people that want to justify soft scifi being called scifi call actual scifi. Black mirror is scifi, doctor who is not.
Doctor Who these days really isn't science anything, regardless of stiffness. I do think we could use another term for stuff that's a bit shy of hard though. "Hard science fiction" to me is a relatively exacting term, and very little fiction is rigorous enough to live up to it.

Fuck you because now I have to go rewatch it and I have work to do aaaaa also I love you and your taste (homo optional)

>Planetes
my niggas

There's always something new to find. Can you believe the director was 26?

Wouldn't it make more sense to have a square, where the x-axis is time period/tech level and the y-axis is the degree of realism?

Sci-fi, fantasy, and realism should be on the primary colours, not the secondary colours.
0/10

Too bad anything like honneamise will never, ever happen again. It was a financial failure.

this design really reminds me of a scene i saw once on youtube from i think an animated series that was 'hard scifi' themes, with ships with nuke sand long range cannons.

Anyone know what im talking about? at least one of the ships looked similar to this i think

Something like this?

Good. It'd be worse anyway. Also people have no fucking taste.

I love his megastructure series.

>shadowrun
>realism

get the fuck out of here you magic using knife eared faggot

Argentina.

Well, actually the 'humans from the future' are manipulating gravity with it's sixth dimensional bullshit tech and letting him direct everything with his fingers. It is magic bullshit but not bullshit fueled by love

Boardgames count, right?

>using mecha and helicopters and all kinds of expensive shit to fight a low intensity conflict

just send in mercenaries in jeeps
why the fuck does anime have to overthink the shit out of problems

I just finished 2312

I remember enjoy the Mars triology, but 2312 is fucking awful

nothing fucking happens and everyone seems like a boring unlikeable arse

I just wish we had more secondary worlds with modern tech. I know your new setting that's based on ancient China or ancient India or medieval Mesoamerica is really cool and original but I want to see industrialization, and I want to see it without the material having to make a comment on WWII.

It wanted to be deep and award-winning, so it was slow and ponderous with occasional hyperviolence. It also wanted to sell toys, so it had a mecha.

Otherwise the MIC could not be able to try it's new toy.
Have you actually saw the anime?