Pathfinder General /pfg/

I've played constructs. The latest one took great offense at someone's attempt to, and I quote:
>"help xer find what xe identifies as"

This unit understood it had encountered a devolved intellect. This unit's production numbers were written in two different external locations. This unit believed literacy was universal in adults.

Disappointment.

The point is that this game works more like MTG than a video game

Probably need to factor combos too.
Pellet blast is kinda shitty but then you realize a dazing pellet blast only needs to deal 1 damage and a failed reflex to take something out of thr fight.

Then you realize almost all casters take sf conjuration for augmented summons which makes the up in DC very reasonable. Throw in metamagic master and suddenly its a very cheap weapon that works on almost anything no sr and made even better by project image and maybe barrow haze if its a long fight.

What would the construct equivalent of [Triggered] be?

[Error?]

That's way too sad...

It's too cruel...

No that's usually when their mono-eye starts glowing red and they start exclaiming words like "destroy" or "exterminate"

The ultimate goal is that the "classes" of spells are general enough that they are useful, while being specific enough that you probably only need one or two spells from each class to "have that class covered".

I could use some help with these classes, because this will be a huge part of the labor put into this task.

"combos" and things like that would be special mentiones for a different task.

For example: "how to use dazing spell well" would list that combo.

The goal of this is to assist in picking spells, because in the two games I run I have noticed the prepared casters spend way too much time trying to figure out what the fuck they should do for the day and the spontaneous casters have made some terrible, non-fluf based choices.

You want to be a dragon sorcerer? dragons breath is a good choice then. But then also getting fireball, lightning bolt, and burning arch is kinda....bad.

Unrelated: Why does this happen so often?

Let Molthune Knights stand as testament to the unfortunate truth that any game, even the famous ones, are subject to flaking.

Did he dead?

OOC I actually had to ask what a xer even was... followed by why wouldn't you just call it it.

Apparently from what "she" (read: He. very much he. would involve the 'bbm' tag in sadpanda) explained to me, "xer" was the appropriate one for unknowns.

Still think it should be 'it'.

>mono-eye
Hey! We mostly just shout "Sieg Zeon!"

Or "He's fast!"

Or "It's the White Devil!"

Or "The Gundam is here!"

>Still think it should be 'it'.

Heck, you don't even say "it" anymore, you say "they."

But what do I know, you can't call women "expectant mothers" anymore because not all mothers are women.

He damn well better.
You don't NOT warn an entire group that you've supposedly (yeah right) "been sick all week" only in the last moments before a game starts - especially when you've been in direct communication with them all week.

You also, you know, fucking say something when you can instead of just disappearing.

You also don't make throwaway accounts just for that one campaign, either...

If you ask me the only reason we ever got the intro session was that whatever plans this O'Jion (or whatever his real user name is on his real account) had for the evening fell through, and the tiniest twinge of guilt he did feel made him come up with a few minutes worth of "okay so uh you guys will be in charge of going to this place and organizing it, uh, talk among yourselves".

I fucking hate being fucked with.

if she's pregnant, that's a real woman. the fake ones don't do that.

hell at least the fake ones used to look the part. now they just call themselves a woman and you're supposed to pretend.

Didn't people fucking LEARN that emperor's new clothes story when they were kids?

>But what do I know, you can't call women "expectant mothers" anymore because not all mothers are women.
What the fuck? Just for sake of argument let's presume that not all mothers are women. That doesn't mean not pregnant women are somehow not expectant mothers. Calling a woman with child an expectant mother doesn't imply all expectant mothers are pregnant women anymore than calling a banana yellow implies everything that is yellow is a banana. In fact it doesn't even imply all bananas are yellow.

>you say they
The correct usage in English would be "he", as "he" is the default gender-neutral term for a person in English.

>What the fuck? Just for sake of argument let's presume that not all mothers are women. That doesn't mean not pregnant women are somehow not expectant mothers. Calling a woman with child an expectant mother doesn't imply all expectant mothers are pregnant women anymore than calling a banana yellow implies everything that is yellow is a banana. In fact it doesn't even imply all bananas are yellow.

telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/01/29/dont-call-pregnant-women-expectant-mothers-might-offend-transgender/

>/pfg/ - Transgendered Studies

I miss when we used to talk about Pathfinder.

Pathfinder gets used as a pseudoporn setting so much that this actually has some tangential relevance to the game

Let's talk about Anevia and Irabeth, shall we?

When are we going to erase the hideous stereotype that perpetuates the gender inequality that men aren't allowed to be mothers, or women can't be fathers?

A large majority of women that have been pregnant or given birth identify as women, by including intersex and transgender women into that fold by changing the term from "expectant mother" to "pregnant individual" we are correcting thousands of years of discrimination and bias that intersects all aspects of our society.

"It" is dehumanizing, like that of an object. Trans people ARE still people, despite what assholes claim. Therefore, the English Proper way to speak of people such as that are with the "they" pronoun; "Oh this is my friend Robin, they went and opened their bank account today".

>"Oh this is my friend Robin, zey went and opened zer bank account today".
>"Oh this is my friend Robin, it went and opened its bank account today".

Both sound fucking stupid.

They is equally legitimate to use and objectively more correct.

Because by its technical definition, "mother" is the female parent of a child?

Even if she dresses like a guy, she's a mother. A child can have two mothers or two fathers in the case of gay/lesbian couples, and it's totally okay to be a parent through adoption or through raising one as your own. Kids need parents in some way after all, you're doing the kid a solid.

But that pregnant lady literally, technically, physically, cannot be the dad. Not because she can't dress or act like one, but because that's literally the wrong word.

You're never going to have to deal with Trans people anyway, so it's a non-issue beyond online rage.

They're an astonishingly small minority that has an extremely high mortality rate, and even the ones that survive tend to cluster in hyper-progressive neighborhoods that are practically foreign soil for 99% of the population.

This isn't an issue offline.

>tag
>bbm
I know this one. I know it all too well. I use -bbm on my searches so I don't have to see a bald, dirty, pre-N64 Ganon impregnating the schoolgirls I'd be fapping to.

What's there to say at this point, really? Sure, we can bitch about "you sold your sword for WHAT?!" but nobody wants to actually talk about the legitimate problems with those characters.

>but nobody wants to actually talk about the legitimate problems with those characters.

Hold on, I'm going to start ripping the pages out of their backstory so we can give it the ole looksee, okay?

That's why you don't fucking say "zey", "zer", or "xir", and I not once said any of those terms. "They" is in the normal English dictionary, it is the accepted medical terminology for transgender humans, and it costs no extra time learning its use than any other word.

>I would rule that a 5-foot-step is its own action and doesn't count as movement for the purpose of stealthing or drawing/sheathing weapons

This is actually uncommon, I've seen a lot of people say 5ft step works for stealth.

>Hide in Plain Sight is a standard action or move action

Sorry, I should have been clearer, the HiPS I'm getting is from the Light Sphere's chameleon talent: there's no specific action for that, just a flat 'as long as you don't move too fast, you can make stealth checks while observed'.

>being allowed to move five feet is not a move action, it is an action you are allowed to take as part of another action

Stealth doesn't say anything about needing to take it during a move action. It just says it's not a separate action, and you can do it while moving.

I'm only half expecting this to work but the wording is arguably sound

Let's not go there
The AP was written with the style in mind that it was, let's leave it in peace.

"They" is a plural and should not be used on singular terms for sake of internal consistency. I mean it's used that way now so too late for that but 'he' is also objectively correct.
Really this comes from English being fucking retarded and not having a gender neutral term. In fact I believe that the gender neutral term used to be Man, and there was some other term for a male person in Old English that eventually got dropped because people assumed when you were talking about a person it was probably the man of the family.

'he' as an user stated earlier is also standard neutral. for those that want to feel offended by this, consider this: by also matching neutrality, it effectively means that men don't have a pronoun of their very own. They share it with tons and tons of other things.

And we've lived with that for centuries.
Closed-Class articles. You can live with it as well!

>The AP was written with the style in mind that it was, let's leave it in peace.

Are you uncomfortable that we might find something unpleasant?

it's he.
the gender neutral term is he.

it could've been she, but it's not, because it's one less letter and thus less work.

he.

because it's just less work.

>*disclaimer: "because it's just less work" is a terrible political slogan and should likely not be used by anyone hoping to obtain a high-office position.

Except They has always been acceptable for singular use. We dont -have- singular gender neutral pronouns otherwise because he/his is not gender neutral.

Aaaand here's Irabeth.

Why is Horgus such an insufferable asshole?

I'm talking about the original Old English term
iirc there used to be a different term for men just like there's a special term for wo-men - something like wez-man or whatever, derived from spear-person as opposed to mother-person or something like that, and people just dropped it eventually because nobody talks about girls since they were never doing anything important you'd refer to them as group as.

user it literally is gender neutral.
"He who fights monsters" does not imply that only men may fight monsters or that a woman who fights monsters doesn't need to take care not to become a monster herself. "He" is the term for humans.
Educate yoursself.

"He" and "they" can both be used as gender neutral third person singular, so you should just use whichever is less confusing in the context.

Well of course you'd feel awkward growing up. Societal empathy is something we've evolved, which is why even infants try to 'be nice' when someone they know looks sad (even though giving us your pacifier just makes us think 'gross' and doesn't help). So the boy was *not* a sociopath by nature, and grew up being taught to be a right bastard by people which were quite clearly less-than-ethical and made 'victims'. How can you NOT feel awkward about that?

>read Planes of Power
>lots of creatures
>all the msot powerful are female
>90% of the active creatures, good or evil, arte female power mongers
>men are lazy, murderous, or stupid, and outside of two positions of power, not noteworth
I'm thinking I don't need to get any more APs or Companion books any longer.

When you front load the game with so many women in power and in positions of importantce that a ~lesbian~ can't enjoy their presence at all, you're doing it wrong.

That usage of he is in reference to humanity in general, not to a specific person. When referencing a specific person they is more appropriate.

Nah nigga, it's black Histry Monf, we gotta talk about Black Gay Transgender Womyn's Studies to be all intersectional and shit

did you know even bats have it? and they'll even eventually stop caring for another bat and ostracize it if the bat consistently refuses to help or share.

My level 12 sorcerer can spend a 6th and a 5th level spell slot to drop 206.25 damage in one round with some fireballs.

Intensified quickened fireball and Intensified empowered fireball combined with red dragon bloodline and blood havoc. Spontaneous metafocus keeps the non-quickened one a standard action.

Is this too much to drop in the surprise round? I have 4 6th level slots and 7 5th level slots per day.

When referencing a specific person "he" is still the gender-neutral term. "They" is a fucking plural, and while it's common today to use, it obviously is less consistent and does not make 'he' somehow less usable.

>They spend about three paragraphs devoted to how much Anevia loves Irabeth and their relationship

While this is quite a bit, Sheila Heidmarch (the only codex NPC with a husband) has about three paragraphs devoted to how she met her husband and their going ons too, although it didn't get this In-Character.

Because he's the strawman. Honestly, I kind of liked him better than most because he felt like he belonged in the world, both as a noncombatant noble and a challenge for the PCs to deal with that didn't involve combat.

If I get hands free weapons and twf while having claw and bite as a lizard folk, can I go bite,claw,claw,cestus,cestus on a full attack?

>have brought her fame
HAS.
YOU MOTHERFUCKERS, DIDN'T YOU HIRE AN EDITOR?

They has been used as the singular gender neutral pronoun since fucking shakespeare

Honestly, Irabeth's backstory is more snowflakey than Anevia. Anevia's backstory basically equates to "so I was raised by thieves and my mom got killed, I was raised by a priestess, and I fell in-love with the paladin that saved me from mutilation". At no point does Anevia start waxing poetic about her struggles as a man (and indeed, didn't seem to have any beyond what would have been difficult for anyone at all), and looking forward in the APs she doesn't even seem to have any problems with bringing up her past to others, since the person she was back then doesn't really matter anymore, due to being a woman completely and utterly with no sign of having once been a guy. I'd say Anevia is actually pretty well-written; kind of generic in the "good-hearted rogue that learned from the rough-and-tumble streets" way, but not actually badly-written.

Amber Scott is not exactly known for her writing.

They actually IS also acceptable and entirely appropriate for singular usage. It's not preferred over 'he' however due to potential confusion when rapidly changing subjects.

>imma go to the place that has battled orcs for centuries
>rather than the place that battles demons on the regular and needs all the help it can get
Irabeth is a retard

Let's talk about Black Athena

I didn't say they as the neutral third person singular pronoun was incorrect can you read? I said it's less consistent, for obvious reasons, since it's also the third person collective pronoun which can easily cause confusion.

No, 'she' literally starts crying about 'her' struggles at random.

No, the correct gender-neutral term is 'they'. Use of the singular they dates back to the 1400s all the way into Middle English.

'He' as a gender-neutral term was an invention of the late 1800s/early 1900s, as part of the grammar prescriptivists of the day being overly restrictive.

She is known for being a homophobic cunt though who needs a full beatdown from a gaggle of faggots

>someone makes an irrational decision
>THIS NEVER HAPPENS EVER SHIT CHARACTER TB

no one cares

True enough. I just wish they'd make it a little more blatant that there's backlash over them selling that damn sword. In a place like Mendev, that'd probably bring a damn sight more scorn and shame than what they used the proceeds for.

>You SOLD it?! What are you going to do if demoniacs attack?
>That's disrespectful to your fathers and your Goddess to do away with your weapon.
>I heard they're not even real knights.

>They is a fucking plural
>I didn't say usage as a singular is incorrect
He is also a plural, in that case.

Singular they has been an accepted part of English for 600 years. Singular he has not.

If people didn't care, they wouldn't keep talking about pronouns.

Actually you did.
>When referencing a specific person "he" is still the gender-neutral term. "They" is a fucking plural
Makes the remainder of the sentence following it read as a condemnation of the singular use for it as a grammatical error. Which it isn't.

Er... sorry.

Replace
>Singular he has not.
with
>Plural he has not.

Not really. fire has one of the most common immunity sets.

However, your metmamagic costs seem to be off. Quick is +4, Intensified is +1 Empower is +2, so they would be sixth and seventh level spells, and therefor impossible for you to cast in at least one case.

10 INT only gets you so far, and I never said Irabeth was well-written.
Bullshit. Post what page in which AP she starts doing that, because after the book that they're introduced in, Anevia and almost every other named NPC becomes a footnote that is hastily stapled-on to the "NPC reactions" at the end of most encounters. Also, there's literally no reason to use "Airquotes" even if you're an idiot, because Anevia IS PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY A FEMALE. She took the potion, she has tits and a vagina, her bone structure is feminine. She is 100% a woman, a thing that not even real-life transgender folk can even hope to accomplish.

So tell me, are you going to keep being wrong for the sake of being wrong?

He as a gender neutral term is correct.
>as part of the grammar prescriptivists
I will remind you that until the time of Johnson the English language did not have a unified set of grammar or even necessarily spelling so it is very nearly meaningless to discuss grammar used before him.

>he
>plural
If I say "He is hungry" can you explain to me how this implies there is more than one person who's hungry?

>and while it's common today to use

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Doesn't smite evil let your attacks count as good aligned anyway? You don't really need a holy sword if you are a paladin, even if it's very fitting.

My point exactly.
"They is a fucking plural, and while it's common today to use" means "people are doing that, but it's wrong"

It is after literally the first combat of the AP, it's not my job to educate you user :^)

He refers to collective humanity when used as a gender neutral word, and thus is plural.

Using He as a singular pronoun for one person of unknown gender (even if they appear female) is retarded and They is better.

It's is not uncommon at all to use 'they' as a singular pronoun when referrign to people of unknown identiy in reference.

"The murderer is a canny motherfucker - they are covering their tracks well" is common parlance in writing and has been for well over 70 years.

High enough level and you can just use divine bond to turn your weapon holy at will

>mfw the elf is butthurt because Irabeth indirectly ruined his relationship with Lylina or whatever the heck her name was
>mfw Horgus is literally, unironically, a mansplaining asshole whose only virtues are blunt honesty (hence mansplaining) and "Noble Privilege."

Ok so funny
I did not even know THESE were the characters people often talked about
I forgot their names but I remember the portraits. They were kinda passing NPCs and this drama never came up at our table.
When does this shit even come up?
At what book?
I remember them from Book 1.

Well I guess He could be legion?

>He refers to collective humanity when used as a gender neutral word, and thus is plural.
What the fuck? No it doesn't.
"He who fights monsters" doesn't refer to collective humanity. It refers to 'some human somewhere who fits this description'. It's singular.
Under some circumstances, when we use He to refer to humanity as a collective, that is STILL singular. Humanity is a singular noun. Humans are a plural, but humanity is singular.

Irabeth is the current poster-child of "Heroes of the Crusade," she is supposedly one of the best Paladins in Mendev and a huge celebrity.

She can find another sword.

Speaking of celebrity, in which book does the party go from "experienced adventurers" to "holy shit those guys are living legends?"

Wrong.
Don't know what combat you're referring to if it is there, but the only time she actually flips out within the first dozen pages is over a ruined temple having been desecrated or some shit.

The most she does "literally after the first combat", unless you're going to cherry-pick something else and say that's TECHNICALLY still a true statement is be kind of mopey over her fucking broken leg.

The first combat is against giant maggots (like you) and not once anywhere that I can see does Anevia bring up her past. Why would you go on the internet and just lie like that?

>When does this shit even come up?

Almost entirely in Book 1, and beyond the lovey-dovey lesbian lovers thing her past status as a man only comes up if you try to become friends with Anevia.

"He who fights monsters" refers to any human anywhere, thus plural.

The party as in the PCs?
End of book 1 features the event that gives them the first mythic tier. They get another one or two per book after that, until they reach tier 10 a little bit after hitting level 20.

Yeah, you're a liar. She complains that she's useless with her broken leg in the first combat, starts worrying about Irabeth when you come across the desecrated temple, and then complains that Horgus keeps suggesting the party abandon her and the wizard because they're currently crippled and he's not. And then she shuts the fuck up for the rest of the adventure.

So tell me again, page number and book you faggot.

He who fights monsters refers to the generic human who is fighting monsters, the faceless nameless nobody who we use as a case study applicable to almost anyone. Thus singular. It doesn't refer to all the humans in the world.
Hell you even said it yourself - ANY human anywhere. "Any" is singular, as is "every". One refers to a generic, thus singular, while the other refers to a single group fitting the criteria following every, thus singular. "All", on the other hand, is plural.

We took the book 1 situation as kind of "desperate bid for survival" aka Walking Dead so we did not really spend any time gathering around the firepit and swapping life stories

>The party as in the PCs?

Yeah, the PCs. People like to emphasize how Wrath of the Righteous probably hypes the PCs up the most among NPCs out of any other AP (considering how visible their achievements are.)

Seems like it's the retaking of Drezen?

Grammarfags pls go