Horus Heresy General /hhg/

I'm thinking of getting into modelling with Horus Heresy but I can't decide between the White Scars and Alpha Legion. Is it true that white is really hard to paint for beginners?

Is there a list of which Custodes/ Sisters of Silence unit goes with which FoC slot?

Your fuckups tend to show up very easily with white.

Eitherway, from the sound of your question you are new to miniatures in general. No matter what, your first mini WILL be shit. Make sure to save said mini as a permanent reminder of where you have come from.

Play WS. We have enough Alpharius memelords as is. We need some wise Khan's go advice

Just leaving a few things here

and the rules

Where in the rules does it say which units get to be part of Thousand Sons covens? Do all Thousand Sons units in the heresy era list get one of the coven abilities?

Also for heresy era wolves, why would you ever take a Frost Blade when you can take a Frost Claw instead? They are both AP3 specialist weapons for the same points but one has Shred and the other doesn't.

Because maybe you think the Frost Sword looks cooler?

It's FW. They are literally to stupid to edit there own books.
Apparently in some of their photo shop background pics they left in fucking people.

White isn't all that hard, actually. Yellow is suffering though, at least from what I've heard

its on the page with their legion astartes rules, so I take that to mean any LA unit gets to pick a cult

I have a feeling it's a typo and they're not meant to be specialist weapons. I can't imagine that a SW Consul w/Frost Blade is supposed to cost 10 points more than a DA Consul w/Calibanite Warblade and have one less attack.

Did you guys figure out Magnus can't 36" D-bubble yet?

Been reading about people freaking out for pages, but no one has realized Magnus can only boost witchfires yet. Novas are not witch fires.

>that entire post.

Were you trying to be ironic?

A Nova is a sub-type of witchfire like a beam is.

If that's what FW wanted then why not just have one entry called "frost weapon" and leave it at that?

Don't be a retard

What a wonderful time to be a Warhammer model collector. In other news, the paper from codices clogs toilets easily.

its part of the leagion Astartes thousand sons rules its just the page after the one thats starts With it so it makes it harder to conect them.

thats what i think to but its written a bit unclear in the rules as it is under the witchfire rules subtypes.

what's this?

Anyone got the rules for the psi titan? or rules for the custodes terminators? is there some big dump i can find everything?

Hunter killers missiles are still one shot "hit some random unit/guy/tank half way off the board on a 3+ ignoring targeting rules" thing right?

If so 2 for 10 is pretty good.

Novas are explicitly referred to as novas. Not witchfires. Same with beams or focused witchfires.

Suppose it's a good litmus test to see which sad sack of shit will actually try it though.

Can I play a pure knight house army?

>"sky is falling" shitposting is getting so bad people on facebook are saying Het squads are scoring eternal warriors with a rerollable 3++

Novas are a subtype of Witchfire, just like Beams and Focused Witchfires.

Squares are a subtype of rectangles. This is grade-school level shit.

Yes!

Updated my list to change the Contemptor into a Mortis and moved the Dreadclaw to the command Squad, and spent some spare points.

Night Lords Terror Assault - 2000

>HQ
Praetor - Tartaros
MC Paragon Blade, Lasers, Halo, Trophies, Halo

Command Squad x4 - Tartaros
Pair of Claws x2, CF, Axe, Autocanon

Damacles Rhino

>Fast
Dreadclaw

>Elite
Veteran Squad x10 - Machine Killers
Melta x2, Power Axe x2, Vox, AA+Glaive
Legion Drop Pod

Veteran Squad x10 - Machine Killers
Plasma x2, Vox, AA+Glaive
Legion Drop Pod

Mortis Contemptor Dreadnaught
Assault Canons, Havok Launcher

>Troops
Terror Squad x10
Volkite x10, AA+Glave

Terror Squad x5
Bolters, AA+Glave

Terror Squad x5
Bolters, AA+Glave

Command squad in the Claw, one of the small Terrors goes in the Rhino, and then the other small one either outflanks or camps an objective.

Talons of the Emperor Unit List.
HQ: Legio Custodes Shield Captain
HQ: Sisters of Silence Oblivion Knight-Centura
HQ: Sisters of Silence Excruciatus Cadre
HQ: Constantin Valdor
HQ: Jenetia Krole
Elites: Legio Custodes Hetaeren Guard Squad
Elites: Legio Custodes Aquilon Terminator Squad
Elites: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Achillus Dreadnought
Elites: Sisters of Silence Oblivion Knight Cadre
Troops: Legio Custodes Custodian Guard Squad
Troops: Legio Custodes Sentinel Guard Squad
Troops: Sisters of Silence Prosecutor Cadre
Troops: Sisters of Silence Vigilator Cadre
Dedicated Transport: Legio Custodes Coronus Grav-Carrier
Dedicated Transport: Sisters of Silence Kharon Pattern Acquistor
Fast Attack: Sisters of Silence Pursuer Cadre
Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Agmatus Jetbike Squadron
Fast Attack: Legio Custodes Pallas Grav-Attack Squadron
Heavy Support: Sisters of Silence Seeker Cadre
Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Sagittarum Guard Squad
Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Caladius Grav-Tank
Heavy Support: Legio Custodes Contemptor-Galatus Dreadnought
Lords of War: Warlord-Sinister Pattern Battle Psi-Titan

So someone explain to me how Osiron Dreadnought work

On the Legion Specific Unit, it's labeled as HQ, but on the unit section it says that it's an upgrade for Contemptor talon which is Elite

how 2 do ez pz white:

>prime black
>basecoat with Celestra gray
>layer to ulthuan gray
>highlight with pallid wych flesh

You can mix and match between sisters and custodes, right?

>meanwhile I'm just over here waiting for chinaman to get off holiday

youtube.com/watch?v=fro6je9L5kg

Is she Ezekyles' long lost sister?

Yes, but you need one SoS HQ for every three units of them. I don't know if that includes the HQ as well but I assume so.

So, has anyone found out what the fuck is a "Misericordia" ? Valdor has one as do the Sagittarum bananastodes

>White undercoat
>Yellow wash
>Another yellow wash
>OPTIONAL: edge highlight
>Yellow glaze
Bam. Perfect yellow.

Each model only counts as 1 for transporting them
Terminators take 1 slot instead of 2.

Thank you

It's Valdor, továrišč.

>She's got a topknot, which makes her similar to Abaddon
Topknots were a mistake, but completely shaven girls would have looked weird.
Also, why does she not have a knightly grill surgically bonded to her jaw?

>By the way, I havent logged in since yesterday's afternoon, so I missed about 700+ posts.
What did I miss?

how to do white
> start by priming black

Are you retarded or just trolling the gullible.

>Leave Horus to me.

It's probably their S(User) AP3 Power Knives
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misericorde_(weapon)

Hey guys!

Me and a mate are splitting to BoP kit and I am getting the Thousand Sons. I was looking for some advice as I am not sure how I want to build the squads up.

I want a mobile force so was thinking of doing two ten man tactical squads with the sergeant taking a combi melta and melta bombs, and the rhino taking a combi melta. For the terminators, I have no idea what I am going to do with them other than one will have the Plasma Cannon and I will probably stick them in a land raider. Also undecided as to whether or not I want to upgrade the squads to Brotherhoods of Psychers!

On top of that I have no idea what I will take as an HQ.

An option would be to take the RoW so veterans and termies are scoring, take one of the troop squads as a 9 man veteran squad and stick a Preator in with them.

That is quite a point sink so another option would be to have one squad as an infantry squad of 10 with the preator attatched.

tl:dr; best way to utilize BoP to make a Thousand Sons list.

>Tops knots were a mistake
I'm not gonna go there as a XVI legion member....

But as for what you missed, tell me, how do you feel about Custodes?

And speaking if custodes, supposedly their terminator squads armor may very well actually look a lot more like Mk1 terminator armor like their heavy dreadnought instead of cataphractii, like the fluff says is based off of

>Looks like the legions are never getting Saturnine Terminator Armor

>Also, why does she not have a knightly grill surgically bonded to her jaw?

#waifuprivilege.

Nigga, what do you think I want a waifu for to begin with?

1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)#XV_Legion:_Thousand_Sons

1d4chan.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000/Tactics/Space_Marine_Legion_List_(30k)

>>Looks like the legions are never getting Saturnine Terminator Armor
This kills the user.
I've got the pics, I've yet to analyze them, and I saw mathanons did their work.
I was expecting Custodes to have an "army of Centurions" not-Deathwatch feel. Miniprimarchs.
And they appear to fit the bill, even if my jimmies are rustled by them using Wave Serpents instead of Grav Rhinos, fitted with OP guns at that.

Also, Sol(e)rite Fists BTFO.

But lots of other stuff was Scoria-tier Power creep.

Just by chance though, has anyone read yet as to why there were SoH at prospero yet? Seems like something that could be interesting

Yeah, they very much work as an elite army. Scoria can barely take down their HQ, he keeps his title entirely from his Machinator Array and the Tribune's Unwieldy. Scoria isn't that bad really, he really struggles against Custodes due to not actually having ID of any kind.

Really quite vulnerable to things that aren't Space Marines though. Mechanicum artillery and automata are all S10 and hard to wound with their ID guns, Militia and Adsecularis tarpits are insanely good value and they lack volume of shooting to deal with them or the Solar Auxilia. Also struggle against armour outside of the limited S10 melee and pretty much cannot hurt flyers ever.

If you ever wanted to design an army that would trigger the hell out of marine players who expect their Primarch to be immortal, this is how to do it.

Against those of us not playing Marines, it's generally all good.

For lower point value games, take a Delegatus instead of the praetor.

Marksmen Veteran Squads with the Asphyx Bolter Shells are brutal.

>Against those of us not playing Marines, it's generally all good.
yeah but...
>90% of 30k plays muhreens
>muhreens have no counter to cuckstodes

Read the stuff in the OP first.

No tactica on the Sons yet as the rules literally came out yesturday.

Ah, just you wait a few hours, the boys at 1d4chan are already thinking of ways to unleash the mind-cheese

is this in inferno or not?

>Mechanicum artillery and automata are all S10 and hard to wound with their ID guns
Well with the Custard's army-wide Deepstrike (suck on that, Horus) the Mechanicum's Cyber Occularis just went from "recommended" to "FUCKING COMPULSORY" if they want their stuff to keep safe. And I think Scoria lacks those.
I'm at a loss, are the Combi-disintegrator dudes Relentless and affected by that deepstrike buff?

I don't remember the exact mathhammer used, but custodes are pretty ridiculous for most armies to face, they have numerous ways of deploying and their tanks are just as insane

>and their tanks are just as insane
They should be "different flavour of infantry + dreads and transports" and cut it at that.
But FW has got to sell them minis, doesn't it.

Just saying, if they had released a Grav Rhino, complete with all the engravings, fins and enough stuff to be a full mini instead of an upgrade kit, people would have bought it like hot bread, even if they had no plans for actual custodes.

Some paint a golden Slavstode head over the guys' faces, and a SoS over the chick.
Please and thank you

There's a fluffy reason they have everything, Empra wanted to keep a fully fledged military under his direct command for the most important missions.

Same reason he has the psi-titan legion and not Admech.

and whats the fluffy reason for their generic HQ being better than horus?

The 3++ rerollable is because Horus just can't hit the bastard

Well at least it's better than the deamon prince version

Considering their ability, at least on tabletop, to take on pretty much anything bar some insane hordes/Apocalypse battles, don't see why Emps didn't just use the Custodes as primary military force. They're already perfectly loyal

Their statline is not as good as a Primarch's but as it happens Empra keeps the best wargear too and that makes up for it.

There's just 10k of them and mareens are way faster and easier to make.

>Magnus the pink

Only T5.

So sad.

I just want one T6 primarch tier Custodes man.

The PSI titans aren't an army, and you know it.
They're an instrument, unique in the galaxy in fact.
>Where the hell were they when Horus reached Terra?
>Unless they're the reason why it became a siege instead of an utterly one sided Sweep Advance

I can't blame Emps for wanting his boys to be the very best, like no other ever were
To conquer the galaxy is their real test
The Emperor is their cause

They will travel across realspace
Searching far and wide
Each Primarchmon to collect.
The power that is inside

Erhm, I'm getting sidetracked, thing is we cannot trust players to not bring a huge force of Custodian Tanks, and restricting their use would be outright opression to the fanbase.

Correct.

But Custodes aren't Primarch tier.

He looks nice with that eye in the center of his face. A true cyclops.

Because Primarchs were a mistake, user :^)
What are jetbikes?
This. They're so above them :^)

>51575850
Oh god, it's that user again.

Marines have plenty of answers, FoTL will kill one or two, you have arty, quads and volkite to spam wounds on the guys and have much more flexibility at range.
You're just extremely vulnerable to being smacked out of CC and swept, since most of their melee is designed specifically to kill you.

Yep, contents page pic related. Cool new tonk for the Reductor and Taghmata, if slightly overcosted IMO since it competes for HS slots with lots of things and Reductor already have similar options as mandatory troops.

Yeah, Scoria doesn't have Occularis, any other Archmagos save Decima and Draykavac can take them, and Reductor are juuust fine. Honestly I'd be taking Satarael instead of Scoria now, Scoria may still lose that duel about 48% of the time, and I'd rather deny him any points for that 66% while providing better buffs.
No idea about the combi-dudes, but at best they wound an automata on a 5+. Not the biggest threat ever for their cost, especially as at that range they WILL be charged and smacked down with Smash or Siege Wreckers if they fail, or at least pinned down forever.

I was Mathhammer user then, they can pick themselves Master of Ambush and infiltrate a couple big squads of dudes, or deepstrike in.

Tanks aren't TOO bad, they're fairly vulnerable to the vast majority of common anti-tank weapons already in use. A couple Krios Venators, Sicaran Venator or Lightnings will still do their job just fine.

Honestly I think the best army against them is Ordo Reductor, Intercepting artillery, big Adsec or allied Milita screens, Thallax to deny infiltration and Myrmidons and Macrocarids to kill off specific targets and drown the enemy in Fleshbane wounds.

their generic HQ is

>Marines have plenty of answers, FoTL will kill one or two, you have arty, quads and volkite to spam wounds on the guys and have much more flexibility at range.
i already disproved all those things yesterday. 300 IF bolter shots = 3 dead hektarari. quad mortars wont do shit they arent ap2.

try actually coming up with an argument.

Are we going to have to have the page from the BRB on standby for retards like you?

Novas are a sub-type of Witchfire, it's the same with Beams.

Only Valdor is supposed to roughly be.

And he's pretty good too so maybe he could hold his own against some of the weaker primarchs, if some mathammer anons can confirm.

It's stupid that a generic Tribune embarrassingly outperforms both Valdor AND most Primarchs.

Even fighting Scoria comes down to a coin flip, it's not hard to see where they fucked up. It's all caused by that re-rolling 3++, that kind of shit is what you expect from 40k cheese Smashfucker builds, not 30k.

3 dead Heks is pretty nice, and it's a lot closer to 4. Remember those are nearly 100pts each.
Also, they're the toughest to kill with wound spam because 3W, they'll be the ones taking artillery to the face instantly. Pick any other Custodes squad and they lose a couple dudes to one 20-man FoTL.
As for the mortars, the shields and invulns mean that an AP2 wound is only slightly more effective than a non-AP2 wound, so just dumping a whole bunch of accurate blasts on them is decent, 3" coherency or not, and if they dropped in with DS they are nicely bunched up for you.

Valdor is basically identical to Alpharius when it comes down to the punching, except his T5 means he is wounded easier. I guess he could hold his own for a while, but I wouldn't expect him to be winning too many. Good thing too, for his price.

cuckstode HQ is actually more broken than smashfucker since hes just as durable and has double the offensive output

so what you are saying is that the only way a legion list can stand up to them, without spamming knights or bikes (and running away), is to run ironfire and even then its a coinflip?

nd thats not a problem with game balance?

Wrong rule. That's for the Caestus. Misericordia is the Custodes little Ap3 power knife.

No its not.

Yes it is! Gimme (You)s!

WIP salamander and white scar for my legions diorama. Just finished washes, now a big cleanup is due.

I fucking hate white.

oh well didnt see it
the model is quite nice

It is, FW being FW forgot to put their rules in the book but I know that the 40k Custodes get a Power Knife which is S:User AP3 and it makes sense that FW would give them the same thing but with a proper name that doesn't sound gay as fuck.

Unfortunately they fucked up actually putting the stats in the book.

The hell kind of tactician are you?
>Yes, we must be able to take the insanely expensive, punchy and slow Custodian Guard in a close-range slugging match (where they excel) with no suitable heavy support without moving away from them at all or the game is imbalanced?

What do you run, vets in Rhinos AL with no big guns or something?

OK then, use Dreadnoughts. They'll beat them up nicely before anything that can damage them can swing, although if you're meleeing Custodians I'd expect you to lose anyway.

Kite them, feed them squads worth a third of theirs to hold them up a bit while you hold objectives and pick away at their small squads and fire support, then there's one or two big melee deathstars that can't actually do anything meaningful.

Your "Unbeatable List" will be slowly whittled down and incapable of killing anything beyond the couple squads you landed on, and god forbid there's any artillery or tarpits AT ALL, not just full Ironfire or you'll lose half of one of those every turn or have one made entirely useless for half the game and denied even that initial kill.

Its not ap3, its just a CCW and yes its the knife Custodes have. Its a badge of office more than a weapon, its the Emperors mercy.