Female Space Marines

So, with G.W. moving the timeline forward, for good or for ill, I have heard one or two people mention the possibility of them making female Space Marines.

I say we all have a discussion not on whether or not it is a retarded idea, or about whether or not to rage at it, but simply brace for whatever G.W. does, and think of ways that they might be able to pull it off and not completely fuck up.

They way I see it, if one of the Primarchs, or the Emperor Himself came back, they could figure out how to make female Space Marines. However, if I recall, another reason he didn't make female Space Marines was to avoid having them breeding, deciding this new race was better, and basically abandoning humanity. That, and all of the gene-seeds belonged to males, because both the Emperor, and all the Primarchs, were male, thus, the gene-seeds would not work due to a lack of a Y-chromosome.

Here is how I see them doing it, in a not completely retarded way. It would need a lot to happen first. If they make it so one or more female Primarchs are made if the Emperor wakes up, or by one of the still living Primarchs, possibly in memory of Malcedor, who suggested making female ones in the first place, and then female Space Marines are made from their gene seed. But they better do a damn good job lore wise to justify it, instead of being just regressive pandering. There would need to be years worth of fluff to be made before all of this, so it makes sense in universe, rather than a complete ass-pull.

All I am saying is, if they _do_ decide to do it, what are your thoughts on how they could do it without being retarded?

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Some female space marines is realistic, as women strength varies just like men
Just on average men are stronger physically so the majority of space marines are men, however there would be some female space marines because some strong women are just as strong as strong men

The way I see it, We would be looking at say, 1/30 Space Marines as a liberal Estimate, possibly 1/100 for a conservative.

As for strength, I could see people from high-grav worlds being having a better chance, and thus, the majority of female Space Marines would be from there, so it would still make sense from a biological stand point.

Alright. I completely disapprove of this thread as a whole, because we've discussed this so often we're just repeating statements over and over again to the point that it sounds like we're quoting the 1d4chan page for Female Space Marines.

However I'll stick around for the tasteful Musclegirl Cheesecake that'll almost certainly show up.

Honestly, the only reason I considered this thread was because things seem to changing in 40k, and thus, a possibility for this is actually there. If it wasn't changing, then I would completely agree with you.

No.

>Female space marines
>Games workshop just issues the same figures as male space marines but declares them 'female'
>They're all either wearing helmets or have chizzled jaws
>They use the fluff reason that b/c their bodies have been both surgically and genetically modified, optimised to be as strong as possible, they all end up looking the same
>Only way to tell the difference is really to look under all that armour and see what's in their pantaloons
>They get to be "gender diverse" without having to expend any effort and cash on designing and making new models.
>People will still rush to buy up these "new" models for adsorbent prices

Stop being retarded guys and listen to Just go /d/ if you want something for your muscle girl fetish

Nah, /d/ overdoes it. Veeky Forums knows how to do it tastefully.

Veeky Forums is the guy that knows how to add a cup of sugar to sweeten the recipe. /d/ dumps the whole damn sugar barrel into the bowl because more must be better, right?

>tasteful Musclegirl Cheesecake
what does that even mean?

If you don't think female space marines can be a thing without them looking like men you're one of the following:

>Autistic and stupid
>Mysoginistic

There is no other reason. Ib4

>muh lore says grillz are too inferior for geneseedz!

No, it says it's difficult to make geneseed take in women, as the different chromosomes make it more complicated.

So you edit the geneseed by removing the Y chromosome and doubling up the X. That's literally all it takes. 8ft musclegirls are cannon. If you disagree after an in unverse justification preschoolers understand you're either terrified of or hate women.

>because some strong women are just as strong as strong men
Wrong; the strongest of women are as strong as strong men.

Here's the thing. Female space marines by geneseed is not possible. Since the very beginning, Rogue Trader itself, the "space marine process" required male chromosomes. From what I've heard, in the newer Black Library lel stuff, Emps tried to make female space marines via a special geneseed process, against the caution of Malcador, and the results were really fucked up. But the latter source was given here on Veeky Forums and I have no way to confirm it, since I don't read Black Library.

Anyways, female "space marines" (not by geneseed) are possible. Some space marines have been made by another process, involving surgery, implants, lots of drugs, and psycho-conditioning, to the same effect. It costs shit tons more to do, involves even more risks, but the end result is the same. One such marine, with a bit of chaos mojo (but no mutations), even fought a primarch to a standstill.

This really expensive process still exists in M41. Space marines don't really need over-aged recruits anymore, so they don't do it often (or at all, maybe), but other factions do. One faction in particular even improved on it, specialized it, and its every member can shit on a marine in single combat. They even use male and female recruits, whomever proves the most capable.

Pic related is the end result. This is what a female space marine would look like. If the Imperium found reason, they could produce a thousand such individuals and throw them in power armor, but such costs so much more (in resources and time) than the usual geneseed process that there is absolutely no reason to.

Dang

without looking up any data, how strong would a man have to be to be considered strong to you?

obviously this is my attempt at a trap.

>Some female space marines is realistic, as women strength varies just like men
Still the average skinny fat nerd could beat 3-4 physcially fit women senseless without too much trouble. You seriously underestimate how much weaker and slower women are. Even fighting skill on thw women part doesn't really help all that much. Untrained men can wreck much more skilled women through sheer speed and power alone.

Every professional female fighter knows this.

>/d/ dumps the whole damn sugar barrel into the bowl because more must be better, right?

Its a porn board. What the fuck else are they going to post?

>So you edit the geneseed by removing the Y chromosome and doubling up the X. That's literally all it takes.
And if the genes responsible for most of the work are Y-chromosome specific, as is implied by Emps and the Imperium being unable to do just that? Humans are lucky in that our Y-chromosome carries very little genes and room for mutation, meaning most of our sex-specific genes come from our mother (the luck being that a Y-chromosome mutation/gene would 100% be passed down father-to-son forever, as is the case for pic related). Yet for space marines, this persistent gene is exactly what they would want.

When it stops being bulked up women and starts being a Caricature porn board.

Can you link me to the thing with them fighting the Primarch? Haven't seen it before.

Also, as I said, I basically see it as either the Emperor returning, or one of the other Primarchs taking command, and launching a second Crusade, making new Primarchs to replace the ones that fell to Chaos.

Some of these new ones might be female, whose gene seed could be used on females. Not saying there are going to be female Ultramarines or Space Wolves, just female Space Marines based on new female Primarchs, if such a thing is made.

wat

The two lost primarchs are Amus Saran and Cara Sonnor. Their gene-daughters keep their helmets on at all times.

>Can you link me to the thing with them fighting the Primarch?
Luther against Lion El'Jonson. It's been a Dark Angel thing since forever.

Except, y'know, all the other times.

> Edit
>The Emperor's holy work

Are you fucking serious? because that's heretical.

Kek.

40k is also the place where a regular old dude with no mechanical augmentation was able to fight a creature who's arm had more muscle then he should have mass at all in melee combat and win.

The strongest women in 40k are going to be monsters that can probably tear a regular person in half.

>Cara Sonnor
Who the hell is that besides an obvious homage to Sara Conner?

Its a retarted idea.

No woman is a strong as even the bottom 10% of men. If you were talking about soldiers it gets even less likely. And then you need to take into account women not being biologically mentally or emotionally equiped for combat.

This entire retarted discussion comes from virgins fantasizing about being physicallu dominated by women. It doesn't belong on Veeky Forums. Be honest with yourselves and take it to /lgbt/, as normal people have neither these inclinations nor the retarted belief that women belong in warzones.

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Oh, I thought you meant a female who had augments to be like a Space Marine, not Luther.

>No woman is a strong as even the bottom 10% of men.
How strong are you? How much can you lift? Are you in the bottom 10%?

Well, I did say "one such marine." There are no female marines anywhere in canon, because any woman that has undergone the process is used in another way from marines.

They don't. Fabulous Bill proved this when he made a functioning female marine.

And she was also a clone of himself.

he also states numerous times that women could be marines, they're just not recruited because.

So again pick one:
>Autistic moron
>Terrified of grills

Source?

That's literally it, or did you miss the metroid reference on the other one?

They've literally done it numerous times already you fucking moron.

I lift zero, press zero. I have a bmi of 37 and score less than 3 on a beep test.

But i also have testosterone and male body proportions, i would be able to beat down (not that I would) almost any woman on the planet and so would almost anyone else in my postion. At the end of the day, tyranny of biology means much, much more than feminist delusions.

Really? Because I'm pretty sure a female weightlifter or fighter could handle lifting more than 60 pounds easily

>t. Bottom 10%

Oh, I definitely missed it. I read it as Samus Aran without even a blink.

Yes but id still be taller and bigger and heavier, and if i did even the most lazy workout would easily match her.

Most elite women sportspeople could be beaten by male amateurs.

>Using Fabius Bile as a example
I bet you think he makes 15 foot tall perfect ubermench too and not horrendous monstrosities that are begging to die

Look, biology and testosterone is a factor, but I don't think you're going to do to well in a fight against *anyone* with your featherweight ass

And I'm sure you've tested this by going down to a gym or karate class and challenging the strongest girl there to a fight?

>almost any woman
>almost
that's all I needed to hear, no need to get emotional and defensive.

You seemed pretty delusional yourself, thinking that the top female weightlifters are weaker than the bottom 10% of males.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_weightlifting

>Fabulous Bill proved this when he made a functioning female marine.

When?

>he also states numerous times that women could be marines,

No, he thought the Emperor should have made that possible, not that it is so.

You could lift over 150kg or 300lbs over your head with a lazy workout?

>Hur Dur
And yet if the police were called to my house about a domestic violence case what do you think they odds are that my wife is the culprit?

>he made a functioning female marine.
>she was also a clone of himself.
pick one

They make more sense than male space marines desu. Being able to survive invasive surgery seems more important than base strength when it comes to 40K power armour

If women were brought to the physical peak of humanity you would essentially have a man.

That's a legal and societal issue, completely beside the point.

You're underweight and have no muscle mass, you're gonna get beat by someone with more muscle mass. Gender doesn't even factor in at that point.

If I double your X chomosome and delete your Y, and then make a viable and developing fetus out of that

guess what

I made a female clone of you.

Whoop, overweight*

>women can be included in anything without dilluting the theme of the setting or the ideals they represent.

>People assume all domestic violence is wife eating
>this means a manlet with asthma would win in a fight against a 6 foot female MMA fighter

You would get a foot in your face before you knew what was happening against any actual martial artist, regardless of their gender.

Now an actual male athlete? Yeah, that might be more even. But the key is that you actually have to put in some work to use those natural male advantages to win against a professional female.

Saying the bottom 10% could win is ludicrous.

...

>I made a female clone of you.
So what? Fabulous never was full functioning Space Marines, just like Luther and Kor Phaeron.

This is exactly what OP wanted.

Congrats, you've made a vanilla human with no geneseed and is now completely incompatible with geneseed. What's your point?

>But the key is that you actually have to put in some work to use those natural male advantages to win against a professional female.

lel professional females literally practice with boys.

You guys forget, it's 2017. Literally none of this stops a space marine from being trans.

Those high school soccer teams still have to practice.

Oh fuck you're right that is something games devs would pull

>You guys forget, it's 2017. Literally none of this stops a space marine from being trans.
Especially in uk
dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2411152/Lucy-Vallender-Former-male-TA-soldier-UKs-transgender-Muslim-woman-MARRIED.html

Ever since rogue trader Space Marines have been trans-human

Funny enough, Iran's professional "women's" team included 8 men disguised under burkas. They still ranked 38th place.

Are you perhaps referring to professional female athletes going against high school level male athletes?

Because that's what I just said. That male team still put in the effort, and is far away from the bottom 10%. You want to claim the top 40 or 25 or whatever percent of men could beat all women, I'm not going to try and debate that without harder numbers. I'm not going to pretend like a gap doesn't exist, but it certainly isn't as massive of a gulf as you're imagining.

>Iran's professional "women's" team included 8 men
Actually much more, Iran holding the second place after Thailand by numbers of transgender operations.

What's even the point? The Sisters of Battle exist; they wear power armor and carry bolters like any other Space Marine.

If GW wants female Space Marines so bad, then just make some of the Adepta Sororitas get implanted with gene-seeds or something.

Yup, that's some low quality bait right there.

> The Sisters of Battle exist
I wish GW would remember that more often.

At the time the scandal was noticed, it was 8 "pre-operation women". Since then, they've been caught numerous times, but typically with less at a time.

>black library

Post an actual source.

>You want to claim the top 40 or 25 or whatever percent of men could beat all women, I'm not going to try and debate that without harder numbers. I'm not going to pretend like a gap doesn't exist, but it certainly isn't as massive of a gulf as you're imagining.
Yeah that's why female unit of Israel army was in battle only once, and they run away after few minutes of fire contact.
That's why male unit of US marines beats mixing unit

Gonna throw this out there as a possibility.

Maybe the Emps was first experimenting with male Space Marines as they were supposed to be the next step for humanity, and if they were a successful batch, he'd focus on making this jumpstart in evolution sustainable with female space marines, and in his arrogance, figured they would be successful because he was the motherfucking Emperor, and one of the missing Primarchs was a female. Any records of her and her legion however get expunged by the Inquisition to prevent anyone from knowing the Space Marines, the super-humans responsible for royally fucking over all of reality, can reproduce thus keeping the remainder loyal and more compliant with what's left of the Imperium.

Now though with Cadia falling and Chaos ready to load Arena_Terra2.map, the Imperium decides to call out this giant as fuck secret they've had since for fucking ever and pull out all the stuff they've been keeping secret, essentially allowing players to put whatever the hell they want on the field for the Imperium:
>Female Space Marines
>Imperial Orks
>Human-friendly xenos
>Cat people
>Fucking furries
>Sigmarines
>etc.

And this would in turn let GW sells a buttload of new merchandise as they allow players to go AoS and put whatever they fuck they want in their games so long as the points add up.

Or I could be a fucking idiot right now. I'm still waking up so my brain isn't working at full capacity.

Seriously 40k and similar hobbies are for hetrosexual males. Take your gay fantasy to spaces like /lgbt/ and reddit where this shit belongs.

Yeah, because we were talking about guns?

Unless you're trying to argue that those women fixed bayonets and charged a group of skinny manlets only to get beat up, then it's entirely irrelevant.

I will freely admit that a peak woman won't compete equally with a peak man. My only issue is that you somehow believe a peak woman will lose to the absolute worst man on the planet, even if hes some balding dude in his 40s with a heart condition.

>That's why male unit of US marines beats mixing unit
Mixed units are bad for a whole host of reasons, but primarily because of the natural instincts for man to protect women. You can train someone to ignore it, but there will always be that momentary hesitation before training trumps instinct. If we were to ever put women on the front lines, they simply must be segregated.

But using conscripts, male or female, is a piss poor example for an argument. Women just want to get through their 2 years as quietly and alive as possible are in no way comparable to volunteers in terms of morale or performance.

>Women who* just want to get through their 2 years as quietly and alive as possible are in no way comparable to volunteers in terms of morale or performance.

>Abloobloobloo black library don't real! It makes women part of my autistic head cannon! Abloobloobloo!

No one cares your first girlfriend dumped you for chad because you were too pathetic not to cheat on, cuck.

Not him, but are you actually able to post the source, Black Library or otherwise? I'm still waiting for more than just some user's words said something.

Speaking of bad bait, this shitpost right here is roughly the equivalent of half of an undersized worm dug up by a toddler and clumsily placed on a hook that's too big for the fish in question.

>are for hetrosexual males.
I have bad news for you user

>Current year
>Still pretending that women aren't inferior beings

Yare yare.

YOU'RE RIGHT! We need to kill all the women. All of them. Right now. Everyone grab the nearest blunt instrument and get to work. Do it! They can't possibly stop us!

The Gay Masterrace shall rule!

>Setting full of giant men, monster-guys, and twinks
>Meant for heterosexual males

I know it's bait, but honestly I don't see how anyone could see this as strictly for straight guys.
Speaking as a bi guy, that is.

Women are pretty much retarded children you can have sex with.

>Gay
>Not 2D master race

Fufufufu.
Once the clone machines are operational 3d pig disgusting better watch out.

I bet you think the only straight settings are those where everyone is a little girl.

Not really, was curious to see what people thought of GW possibly might try and pull to make this happen, like : did.

Did see what has happened as a likely possibility though.

I just can't think of a setting 'meant' for straight people. Straight people can enjoy anything they want, but I can't think of something that is 'boy i do sure love being straighter than an arrow' aside from christian bible comics.

Actually, no. Women do not have 2 identical X chromosomes. God only knows what sort of abnormalities have 2 identical chromosomes would cause.

>No woman is a strong as even the bottom 10% of men
women are not as atrong as men but thats taking the idea too far to the extreme. In reality the difference isn't that huge.

The Monstergirl Encyclopedia. Implicitly for straight males. Every race is all-female and depicted as desiring cum, cock, or males in some combination or other. You might have two girls that fuck, but you can bet your ass as soon as some faceless brown-haired guy with a footlong erection walks in they instantly go after him.

Well damn, got me there. Okay, so porn and bible comics.

>retarted

I was under the impression that Space Marines were eunuchs.

Not only that gays also turn into hot women.

True, I have heard a lot of contradiction on that honestly.

I don't think the surgical process involved cutting off their junk, just rendering it useless for reproduction.

Since Space-Marine-hood is an acquired trait, it wouldn't get passed on anyway.