Cold War Redux

Man, i can't really add anything to the thread but it made me wonder why on earth there are literary no game/videogame or even a fucking movies or something that do and explore more this strange 80' aesthetic of Soviet bloc.

I mean Siberian Education wasn't bad but still...

*Raises hand*
One shit given here.

To have Communist China you need to remove Japan from the continental Asia. And to do that, someone would have to beat the shit out of Japan.

Ergo - it's not possible.

I give the written metaphorical two and i actually need to go to the toilet for the real thing to so if you want it just tell.

Hit me brah, very curious.

>Especially since German capabilities of conducting a prolonging war were non-existent
Pretty much this. Early victory until mid-1942 was basically Germany's only chance. Hence why I said it'd be extremely far-fetched

Nysa or Nyska was designed in late 50s, so the fuck it has to do with 80s? Those cars were still build up until 94 and the latest models are pretty much meme-tier indestructable, while suprisingly comfy for a commie design.

Also
>Poland
>Soviet
Literally pick one. I mean - Commie Poland, sure. Soviet? Are you on acid?

I wasn't talking about Poland, i was talking about 80' Soviec bloc aesthetics, my fault that i picked a random picture of a car from "Warsaw Pact" folder?
Chill polan'bros i know that the whole PRL stuff is a big no-no so excuse me if i offended your sensibilities but you seriously need to chill with the autism.

So the brief idea is as follows

>ww1 breaks out in 1914
>British Cabinet is able to raise debate over whether or not to intervene after the German invasion of Belgium
>The lack of a strong standing army and the German Naval buildup being overestimated reduces British confidence in joining the war effort
>Germany pushes past the French lines at the marne and takes Paris in 1915
>France requests an armistice
>Germany requests Britain join the war against Russia, Parliament eventually votes yes, due to fear the combined German and French Fleets may overcome the British.
>Italy defeated in late 1915
>Germany and Austria Hungary eventually force Russia into an armistice
>Russia is split into various puppets of Germany. War is over by 1916. Tsar Nicholas II abdicates, Russian Republic declared
>Austria annexes Serbia and Venice
>Britain is forced to give India dominion status due to promising it in return for defending against the Kazakh army invading through afghanistan
>China descends into civil war
>Japan intervenes, sets up puppet republic, Tibet, East Turkmenistan. and Mongolia, aas well as Manchuria.

>1920's

>USA declines due to being unable to compete in German exports
>Austria Hungary refuses to federate, and various civil wars break out
>While no states are officially recognized by foreign powers, the Austrian Army maintains control soley of Austria, venice and South Tyrol.
>Arab revolts funded by Russian nationalists grow and the Ottoman Empire descends into civil war also
>Greece declares war on Ottomans in 1924 claiming the Turks have violated their ocean territory
>britain joins Greece, claims to be maintaining stability in the region
>The middle east is divided into various protectorates and mandates under Britain
>However, British Steel production has fallen in previous years and England is becoming more reliant on Germany for financial support

1/2

Son, you've picked a thing that has nothing to do with the subject you invoked yourself and they you act butthurt when it's pointed out.
How about you remove your head from your ass?

And PRL is not a "no-no". Mixing it with Soviet Union is a no-no. Just like in every single fucking post-commie nation.

>I know jack shit about history: The Post
>I believe logistics IRL are just as easy as in shitty Paradox games
Please stop, this is painful

>USA declines due to being unable to compete in German exports
Can you expand on this? It's clear that you've put a lot of thought into that setting but this seems a bit off

2/2

>British empire rearranges into a self governing, decentralized Federation.
>War with turks ends, Turkey rearranged into anatolia alone
>The US Stock Market plummets in 1926 due to a lack of confidence and plummeting exports
>Country is forced to demilitarize
>Russian Republic reorganized into a more democratic, while also socialist state

>1930's
>By this point, the Balkans are a shitshow, ethnic genocides and hundreds of various nationalist groups are locked in a bitter struggle to gain land
>German intervention in 1932 brings nothing but more chaos to the region
>The Naples Republic is established in South Italy, votes for independence in 1933
>Anglo-American relations break down further as reactionary US groups accuse Britain and Germany of dropping Steel prices to the point the US can't compete
>US Signs a treaty with France and Russia in 1934, finalizing the Republican Alliance
>China declares independance from Japan in 1935, beginning the second sino-japanese war
>Russia and the US send millions upon millions in aid to China, as well as extensive lend lease
>The US is pushed near to a breaking point due to the high cost of this
>In 1937, the US breaks down entirely, riots across streets break out due to long ration lines, the US government is forced to flee washington
>In the crisis, Britain occupies the Panama canal in what is known as the Panama crisis
>US demands its return but has no way of enforcing this
>UK states they'll maintain shared control once the US crisis ends
>US eventually stabilises and begins repairing itself after French intervention
>Japan, war weary, signs a cease fire with China in 1939, due to no way of maintaining control long term
>1.5 million, japanese killed, over 30 million chinese killed
>Japanese military loses confidence in hirohito
>Public opinion turns against him as Japan is exposed to foreign media
>Coup in 1940 deposes him, Japan proclaimed a constitutional monarchy

I'm gonna need one more part

German steel production was rapidly rising in the 1900's, so the general idea was that German exports eventually became cheap enough due to a competitive market and the post war production boom that the US was unable to compete Admittedly I'm not an expert economist but if there's anything wrong with this, please say.

Okay? I don't play Paradox games.

>British empire rearranges into a self governing, decentralized Federation.
Highly unlikely without a ruinuos war.
>Russian Republic reorganized into a more democratic, while also socialist state
Also very unlikely with a strong Germany and Britain that aren't involved in a war. Especially with Wilhemine Germany

Russia, surrounded by hostile puppets, and demilitarized USA decide to send a few millions of soldiers to join land war in Asia. Are you even trying?

Stop sperging out. People will always associate communist Poland with USSR, as we were their puppet state anyway.

Im not the one making a hissy fit brother.
Like a said, it was just a random choice from a "Warsaw Pact" folder made mostly for inspiration not for factual correctness.

Poland WAS in Warsaw pact right? Nysa was made in Warsaw pact Poland right?

Doesn't matter really, because you see, you kind of proving my fucking point there buddy.

There is not enough information for a normie twerp that isn't knee deep in studying a topic to be correct all the time. Im not studying it, im just mildly interested so its a given that i will make stupid mistakes like that.

And im not butthurt because you corrected me at all, im actually thankful desu. Its just that 'are you on acid?' comment kind of shows how head up your ass anally retentive you are about making that correction.

3/3
>Chinese nationalism causes Vietnam to also revolt against German colonial viceroys
>due to the logistics of sending troops, inexperience in Guerilla warfare, and excess chinese arms, Germany accepts Vietnam as a sovereign state
>Russia is now growing, support for Socialism falls
>France and Germany begins arms race as German reactionaries hold more seats in the Reichstag, and a war seems on the horizon
>Britain is forced to accept zero control over Indian politics, India split into dominion of pakistan, Burma and India

That's about all so far.

>Uses HoI2 map with Antarctic strapped on
>I don't play Paradox games

>We were their puppet state
This is modern Polish education.
Assuming you are a Pole at all.

Really? it was very popular both in the dominions and in the UK
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_Federation

Where did i say they sent soldiers? i meant millions in aid.

I got the template from Veeky Forums.

>It's ok to be ignorant piece of shit that just knows a broad approximation of facts, because effort is for pussies

Jesus fucking Christ... Why people are always so fucking incompetent when making alt!history settings?

Please tell me what's incompetent about it?

So we were a completely independent nation that could do want we wanted?

Nie spinaj się tak, user

>Current year
>Wikipedia says so, so it's true

And I guess we are at the core issue why your setting is pants on head retarded

Fucking EVERYTHING past maybe 2nd bulletpoint

>Dude got into more length and made actually plausible scenario than man in hight castle and countless more 'alternative history' scenarios, writing three post about his homebrew for other anons.

>Let bash him without adding anything constructive.

>neo/tg/ the post

fuck you in particular

>Le epic wikipedia meme

Even if the Imperial federation wasn't a popular idea, it's retarded to think a civil war would start over DECENTRALIZATION

The only way the scenario really works is if Russia and Germany develop MAD capabilities at exactly the same time.

If one or the other had nukes first, they'd use them. If they got them at almost the same time you'd see a small nuclear war at the very least.

Short of massive handwaving or Aliums. I don't see it happening.

Fuck you desperate for attention.

Do you even understand what a puppet state is? Check Mongolia under Soviet rule. That's puppet state. Then tell me Eastern Blocks was made out of puppets. I get it, quality of Polish education is shit, and it's going to be even worse starting with next semester, but that's no excuse to sprout bullshit.

To nie pierdol głupot

>Actual plausible scenario
Everything after fall of Paris in 1915 is complete science fiction and impossibilities.

I get it, you see so much text and your brain instantly assumes it's good, in-depth and realistic, but it's a smoking pile of shit.

What a dip shit.

Im startin to think all the sperg out posts are made just by that one dude. You fucking high or your mother burned you hot pockets or something.

It's called a simplification, which is probably what majority of foreigners know about your country. You can't expect everyone to know your history and politics well, unless they are interested in that country in particular.

Just fucking calm down and make some normal counterpoints instead of going full fucking sperg.

Then be a bit constructive, and tell me what is inaccurate

You just seem like a sperg who flips out whenever an alt history scenario is 100% based on what's established and refuses to accept the concept of alternate scenarios leading to further divergence

>>British empire rearranges into a self governing, decentralized Federation.
This was one of the visions of the British empire that was always floating around in the background - ussually advocated for by those who thought of the empires purpose in primarily economic terms.

As an imperial model it lost out in real life, but as far as alt-histories go its not inconceivable.

Not that it would have mattered - rising nationalism in the dominions would have torn it apart any way.

>If it's longer than one post, it's good
It's not working like this. So keep your neo/tg/ bullshit for yourself. Shitty alt!history "Central Powers magically won WW1" is precisely what defines neo/tg/

You don't get it, don't you? It's all bunch of bullshit. All of it. Salvaging it is simply not possible, because it just ignores reality and goes directly to fantasy land. Fucking JAPAN establishing puppet in Tibet. Or Americans unable to compete with German industry. In fucking 1920s. And that's just a starter.

>Why people are always so fucking incompetent when making alt!history settings?
Because they look at historical facts, without looking at the feelings and sentiments of the time.

Stuff like:>>British Cabinet is able to raise debate over whether or not to intervene after the German invasion of Belgium
>>The lack of a strong standing army and the German Naval buildup being overestimated reduces British confidence in joining the war effort
Which might happen with a small alternation of facts. But wouldn't happen given the mindset and public sentiment at the time.

>Shitty alt!history "Central Powers magically won WW1"

But the central powers winning ww1 isn't inconceivable at all. It's essentially a miracle the French held on as well as they did, and Germany brought Russia to collapse. A lack of British presence would probably tip the scales.

>stop liking what i like

no, that is neo/tg/ you sperg
if you have nothing constructive to say gtfo, half of the thread already knows you are just here to bait people

For that scenario to be even semi-plausable, German industry would need to expand 20 fucking folds between 1915 and 1925, meaning roughtly a 40% GDP. If that doesn't tell you how fucking stupid it is, then you are helplessly incompetent at this shit.

You would have to ignore technology, logistics, infrastructure, FUCKING LOGIC and few other things to make this scenario possible.

I only stated one puppet republic, China, and an occupation of manchuria, quality reading comprehension.

>Or Americans unable to compete with German industry. In fucking 1920s.
Maybe because Germany is now one of the most powerful countries in the world? the ww1 boom for the us and ww1 collapse for Germany didn't take place.

Only that you can't just say "British didn't enter the war", because they were fucking close ally of France for previous 15 years. Not entering that war on French side would hurt British interests. And hurt them A LOT, since last thing Brits needed was strong Germany, threatening directly to their world hegemony.

More like "stop liking shitty stuff and pretending it's plausable", but sure, keep being stupid, because you apparently like that.

>Maybe because Germany is now one of the most powerful countries in the world
HOW?!
How are you going to measure their power? With what? Do you even know how economy works, you fucking moron? Or how absurdly big American industry was when compared with German back in the day? That's not something you just magically catch up overnight. Not to mention lacking fucking resources to fuel said industry.
Fucking educate yourself.

breathe faggot, it will be alright

Why some people are so obsessive with factuality in homewbrew scenarios for a fucking role-playing game?

OP, how much of this did you actually use and for how many sessions?
Probably not much.

Pojebało cie anonku?

>Only that you can't just say "British didn't enter the war", because they were fucking close ally of France for previous 15 years. Not entering that war on French side would hurt British interests. And hurt them A LOT, since last thing Brits needed was strong Germany, threatening directly to their world hegemony.

I never stated Britain never planned to join the allied powers, only that it was delayed by debate in parliament.

However, the prospect of Britain backing out of joining France after a defeat at the marne is plausible.

>Why people get angry when idiots make shitty settings based on retarded assumptions and fundamental lacks in education
I don't know, user. Really, honestly and sincerely I don't know. But if there is something more annoying for me than human stupidity it's a stupidity that entrenches itself and assumes it's ok to be stupid.

>"Central Powers magically won WW1"
I don't think it's that unlikely, but you'd need to alter stuff more for it to pan out.

Like the assassination of Ferdinand failing. And another trigger happening a few years later, leading a slightly more modernized German army to be able to push harder and maintain logistical support better.

A Central Powers victory in WW1 would be interesting. Especially if it lays the ground work for a Action Française to develop into a fascist movement and maybe kick off a WW2.

I don't care at this point. Just keep your shitty setting for yourself.

>A Central Powers victory in WW1 would be interesting
then go read the history of Kaiserreich

all alt history is fantasy you spesh, how me 100% real alternate history

I mean you sperged out, you really did.

That was completely unnecessary and there are better ways to educate people.

Jesus christ, do you have autism?

You're obsessed with every aspect of alt history being totally grounded in what can be measured. you have legitimate signs of autism.

Only that German army was pushing for war to happen earlier, because what they were (rightfully) afraid was Russian army modernising with French MASSIVE help.
They fucking willingly supported communist movement and get Lenin back to Russia in desperate attempt to just knock Russia out of war one way or another. So no, waiting would do them only more harm, since they were the most modernised army around, and postponing it few years would end up with Russian army getting in their ass with no problem.

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHA

It's the
>Trans Siberian railway would turn Russia into a superpower overnight
meme

>If you don't accept shit, you must have autism
Not even him, but fucking think before you write down your bullshit.

>Just keep your shitty setting for yourself.
what's your cold war redux alt-history then?

As for the source of this, you could shift some stuff around in the Spanish Civil War.

>Left more prepared for war
>Revolutionary elements focus on War Effort instead of forcing change at the worst possible times.
>Soviet Union actually tries to help Republic win instead of using the war as a device to further their own interests.
>UK and France stick to non-intervention
>Nationalist victory after a longer war
>Franco more willing to fully join Axis
>Germany's sucess makes Britian and France less willing to fight a War with Axis, turns to US in a general non-interventionist group, but still continues to develop military strength for fear of a war
>Axis focuses on rebuilding Spain, improving the Spanish and Italian armies and securing already held territory instead of forcibly obtaining new land.
>After defeat SU does similar.
>WW2 doesnt happen.
>Three way Cold War starts around the 40's

Holy shit, you are the same sperg. To think your comments could probably be appreciated if you only stopped spitting.

>French spending 1/3 of their entire military budget on modernising Russia since 1910
>Meme
Sure son, sure. Apparently being educated now is memery too, unlike sprouting random bullshit.

not him either, but you know there is a big difference between having boundries and not accepting shit and HOW you show that right?
Its not that he isn't right, its how anally retentive he is all about it. But he won, whole thread is basically about him. We are all retard enablers here.

This. Fucking poles are wehraboo level autistic

It's alt history you fucking sperg. Not a fucking lecture.

Seems pretty good, one question, where does Germany stop demanding land? it seems out of character for Hitler to just call it a day with poland. He needed lebensraum.

None, because I find Cold War settings inheritently boring stalemate that goes nowhere. And last thing such setting needs to "spice things up" is suddenly replacing powers that had a chance to play role in bipolar politics with randomly selected country in some sort of alt-history wank.
Besiedes, it misses the entire point, since I'm against this shitty setting in particular, while you try to sidetrack the discussion on "then make better yourself". I don't need nor have to to make my own to point finger and say "it's shit".
Next time before you try using eristics, fucking train them first.

i work with some poles and they are all like that when it comes to history

>None, because I find Cold War settings inheritently boring
Then fuck off out of the COLD WAR thread you massive bellend.

I'm not even remotely interested in cold war alt history but i'll still have a sperg out if someone else's isn't perfectly legitimate

I'm the Pole he was sperging out at earlier

Fuck, forgot the
>

>user starts with WW1 bullshit
>HURRR IF YOU AREN'T INTO COLD WAR LEAVE DURRRRRRRRRRRR!
Supposedly I'm the one sperging out

He thought the UK would ignore the invasion like Italy's taking of Abyssinia and theur involvement in Spain.

He could take Poland and the UK are too nervous to challenge him like he thought they would be.

We know. Shit I fucking knew form beginning.

So im gonna write it again. Chill with the autism polbro, its not really a thing you should have flight or fight response about.

Is this car better? It should melt your heart.
Deep breaths and constructive criticism from now on. Alright?

no bully pls

It just seems odd for Britain to ignore the invasion of poland. that was the real line in the sand from 1937.

Suggestion: Germany makes the molotov ribbentrop pact a defensive alliance also to keep Britain and france out, that'd work maybe?

*From there the Axis could focus more on spreading out from Morrocco and Abyssinia to gain more African land.

Granted I know less about Germany at this period than I do Spain, so i'm taking more guesses about their expansion.

Good point. I was under the impression things were bad in Tsarist Russia and just kickign the war a few years down the road would make them even more ripe for revolution.

But I confess to not knowing as much as I should about the early Russian revolution.

Lately a guy went on a tour throught entire Africa in Maluch. Like the poster says - "small, but crazy (awesome)".
Locals were sure it's some sort of new model of Indian Tuk Tuk auto rickshaw

>where does Germany stop demanding land?
This. You might have to have someone else in the helm in germany.

I don't think Hitler was willing to stop pushing.

And even then, I think tensions with Russia are going to boil over before nukes allow a real cold war to start.

youtube.com/watch?v=CIKoWVi5cnw

If I'm correct. he's planning to do the same shit again, but in Asia.
And as much as a crazy idea it's on paper, you can fix Maluch without any mechanical or electrical skills, with most basic tools and taking parts from just about anything. The only downside is how it's an air-cooled engine, mounted in the back of the car, so go figure how it acts when it's really hot.

>user who hates cold war enters a cold war alt history thread
>starts sperging out when someone says something not 100% historical

neat
fucking love that car

Want a true, 80s style, commie-inspired car? And still being a Maluch in the same time? Then check gallery for this project
pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wszędołaz

>This. You might have to have someone else in the helm in germany.
>I don't think Hitler was willing to stop pushing.
Aye, it's always really astounding how so few alt-history ideas just refuse to kill off Hitler early. National Socialism would still be there, just without Adolf's incompetence (anybody else would be a better Fuhrer apart from his charisma).

holy shit this is glorious, not only its maluch but it fuels my fucking /k/ boy inside

I think himmler would be way worse.

Imagine a Germany with Hjalmar Schacht as fuhrer and Heinz Guderian as Chief of the Wehrmacht.

Well, there is a semi-agreement that if he was killed by Maurice Bavaud in '38, he would come to history as one of the better chancellors Germany ever had. The war would probably still go and end up the same way as it did, but you get the picture.