Leave the Void Whale to me

Why are IGs the best race?

New name:
Colonel "I surf Void Whales to work" Straken

Fine, I'll bite.

>I want an official quote of GW admitting they want to get the kiddie audience, by erasing anything too sexually suggestive from their games

Excuse me, kind sir, but in what sort of make believe fantasy world do you live in ? Not in the warhammer one, I guess. Since it's already dead.

Slaanesh has gone missing from AOS, and has been replaced by the horned rat. It is stated everywhere where it speaks of he/she/it. And soon, Slaanesh will also get dunked by Ynnead in 40k.

The question that you should now ask yourself is simply : why ? Why the god/goddess/whatever of sex, space coke and rock'n'roll is getting shat on so much in both of GW's main games ? There isn't 99 right answers to that question.

Slaanesh is still alive while they killed Nurgle in 40k

Just checked. I sure as hell wasn't expecting that.

>Implying that Abbygail is capable of doing things without Helicopter Mom Games Workshop's help.
>Imying that Fulgrim, or any of the Primarchs for that matter, would be relevant if GW and BL weren't filled with Animu/Warcraft fags who bit into the Powerlevel meme.

Kekles Jekles

Wait.

What

hold on to your pus.

>natfkadotblogspotdotfr/2017/02/warning-fracture-of-biel-tan-spoilersdothtml

What the unholy rotting fuck ?
I swear, if they discarded the best god...

user, this isn't the other chans, you don't need to hide website names on here so long as they aren't known spammers.
Makes no sense at all, and the amount of poor english makes me wary.
This is right up there with "Tau killed Slaanesh!", so if you believe it, you are a goddamn idiot.

Yeah, maybe it was a greater Deamon of Nurge?

Nurgle isn't killed, we've seen the fluff already.

If some Chaos God is getting dumpstered it's Slaanesh and that's only if the five magic swords are ever gathered (they aren't in the book).

Its probablly Mortarion, works as a hook for the next book.

B-but he controls the murderdemon who can kill the Emperor! A-and the Emperor was evil all along, a daemon told us so! A-and a s-science guy who saw in the Emperor whatever he wanted! P-pinocchio! The Chaosgods of murder, despair, dickery and desperate murderdicks are the good guys, really!

Ah, Abaddonfags. Not even once.

Its Gugugur'on or something, the GUO who's name can only be pronounced if your throat is full of phlegm

This is way to much a reaction to the other side.

What happened to accepting flaws and errors and there being no good guys to all sides?

It's just some baby who got gigatriggered when Emperor was revealed as a Perpetual who stole his powers from Chaos in HH instead of repeating the RT era shaman crap.

I just don't get why whenever people have conversations about the Emperor any nuance falls away and they either will insist he is infallible and must always be obeyed in all things or that he was wrong in everything.

I'm not a fan of him, at all, and he's no more a good guy than any faction leader in the setting is, but I find the inability to do anything other than lick his boots or screech in rage at him weird.

I can think of few conversations in 40k which become retarded as quickly as discussions about the Emperor.

>It's just some baby who got gigatriggered when Emperor was revealed as a Perpetual who stole his powers from Chaos in HH instead of repeating the RT era shaman crap.

Wait, so he's really not a god?

That's because he's the father figure that anons deserve, not the one they need.

Having flaws is okay. The Emperor using the Gods powers to create the Primarchs is okay. His blatant favoritism and disregard for the opinion of others is okay.
But it's not quite okay to have him travel half the galaxy to make the most powerful posthuman creatures ever who posess innate abilities designed to help with the betterment of humanities future Empire and then just have the Emperor go "lol, i didn't even need/want them anyway, they're just tools i throw away afterwards.". It's also not okay to me to turn Abbys daemonsword into a sonic-fanfiction-tier character who will just kill the guy who has been the canonically most powerful being in the galaxy since the settings existence. It's also not okay for me to turn the whole setting and 10000 years of in-univerese buildup into "lol, your faction can't win anyway, Chaos won 10000 years ago and basically your faction is just a faget chaos4life"

A lot to unpack here

Perhaps you just concieved the Emperor as being more compassionate than he is. I'll admit I've never gotten a sense from him much at all that he has compassion or much personal care or attachment to anything, and creating tools for a purpose and then discaring them seems to fit his modus operandi to me.

Also I don't see what's wrong with giving other factions the ability to beat him. If, as you say, you dislike the idea that Chaos cannot be beaten, why should it be the case that the Emperor be impossible to defeat?

Ultimately user it looks a bit to me like your upset the Emperor isn't as 'good' a guy as you want him to be and that he can be defeated. Personally neither of those things bother me (I'm fucking glad he can be beaten, I'd be bored to tears if the Emperor was just a gary-stu no-one can beat in a fight).

But ultimately it comes down mostly to opinion and BL. So we'll see what the future holds

It's one thing to accept fair flaws and errors and another to take a bunch of hastily shoved in retcons, Shamalmian twists and character 180's made for the sole purpose of dragging everyone else down to artificially place Chaos on a pedestal.

Just because GW writers decided to and go with the Irredeemably evil Not!Elder Gods, "Sins of Humanity will destroy the universe", Pure Evil approach for Chaos, doesn't mean everyone else should dragged down to their level to compensate.

If anything, it means that the Writers should start peeling away the Grimderp and Edge BBQ sauce and turn back to what it was supposed to be, and bunch of Assholes, Rebels, and Nutjobs who just want to fuck with everyone and worship a bunch of All-Powerful Manchildren who also just want to fuck with everyone.

Also
>Liking the Overdone "Faustian Deal" trope
>Liking the concept of Perpetuals at all
>Not liking Emperor Ermac

This isn't a matter of Chaos Faggotry or Bias. This is just straight up having shit taste.

They won't kill off Catachan right on the heels of Cadia will they?

Well, he's the guy who, after seeing mankind rise up and fall down, close to extinction, decided to man up and save everyone. Doesn't quite sound like an egomaniacal guy to me, more like someone who wants to help, and the best for everyone. Though you can argue about his politics regarding xenos and mutants, there is the context that humanity tried diplomacy once, and was attacked when the xenos saw an opportunity to eradicate humanity.

If everyone is just a tool for him to become a god, why even bother trying to raise them like a fatherfigure would (At least with some of them, like Horus)?
The whole "They're just my tools, I'll throw them away when I'm done conquering the galaxy" also doesn't work for me. Why go through all the hardships of creating and finding them, if he could have just sat in his basement on Terra and build the Webway gate? There's either more behind their creation, or he's a moron. And considering all we know about their abilities, they seem to be made with a future purpose in mind. Not just as one-off characters, but leaders of men, great scientists or protectors of mankind. Same thing applies to the legions.

And my problem isn't that the Emperor can be beaten, it's the way it's presented. For 30 years now, there's always been the notion that he fought back against the four Chaosgods combined and keeps them at bay, even after being interred on the throne. Suddenly ADB comes along and explains "actually, the Emperor is piss-weak, there is some ultra-super-mega daemon who will kill him with ease (even at the height of his power) and nothing your guys do is relevant in any way because Chaos is invincible and has already won.".
That's the shit that makes me furious.

Why not, only the Eldar are allowed to come out of Gathering Storm with no losses* Stronger than ever in fluff and on the table top**

*Biel Tan is fine, can be repaired in mere decades, the blink of an eye to an Eldar
** New Faction, new God, New abilities, new formations, new army wide rules

Holy shit, I really dropped the balls years ago in not collecting an army, really fucked that one up.

Thats a missprint by shitty click baiters they killed a nurgle demon prince.

>guard players got fart in face
T-thanks blizzard.

>B-but he controls the murderdemon who can kill the Emperor

Oh my God that's right! I had forgotten about that fuckin stupid-ass sword. Fuck Drach'nyen, absolutely the worst thing to come out of the Horus Heresy!

You wanna know what Hack writers do when they want to appear smart and deep? They rip off a bible story. But not just any story like the book of Jobe or the one about the Judge who talked big and had to sacrifice his daughter, oh no! That would require them to actually READ the source material. No instead they just copy the ones that everyone already knows and have already been done to death: Adam and Eve, Jesus' Crucifixion, and fuckin' Cain and Abel!

You wanna know why having a super special daemon be based on Cain and Abel is especially shit writing? Because It doesn't work in 40k.

Cain killing Abel isn't special because it's murder or treachery, it's because it was the very invention of the concepts of Murder and Treachery. God hadn't made the universe with the concept of survival of the fittest in mind. Killing each other just wasn't supposed to happen in his mind. What Cain did was supposed to show how far separated and batshit crazy Humanity was from it's father's intentions.

In 40k, not only is there no God, the Universe has existed for billions of years! That is billions of years of shit all over the Galaxy killing each other over scraps, power, politics, and just to satisfy their sick fetishes coughcoughEldarcoughcough, so murder clearly isn't new idea. Also unlike the Bible in 40k is the Fact that humans are evolved animals and had been killing each other over stupid shit both pre- and post-sapience, no different from any other species. There is NO good reason why the first act of intelligent Human Backstabbery should create anything more than a very minor daemon of Khorne (Bloodshed) or Tzeench (Treachery). There is no reason Drach'nyen should be such a special snowflake!

>Black Library Writers are a bunch of talentless hacks who care more about their personal stories than the Lore of what they're writing about
In other news, water is wet!

No, but seriously, I have to agree, Drach'nyen was a new low for them.

Bring back catachans ;_;

>And my problem isn't that the Emperor can be beaten, it's the way it's presented. For 30 years now, there's always been the notion that he fought back against the four Chaosgods combined and keeps them at bay, even after being interred on the throne.

That's not a 30-year tradition, it's some fans' interpretation. When Emperor killed Horus he had to temporarily purge the chaos influence from him, but he noted it was returning and he wouldn't be able to do it again so he killed him when chaos mojo was gone.

In recent fluff it's made pretty clear he isn't something that can fight the Chaos Gods at once. In fact in Vengeful Spirit he couldn't close the gate on Molech he used to go get his powers because being near it would allow the Chaos Gods to get him after he visited hit.

But user, the Chaosgods feed Horus with their power, until the Emperor forces them out of Horus' body and obliterates him.

I still don't understand why they change it to a Terminator.

Don't worry, it was just a prince or whatever. Papa Nurgle is ok

Fuck off, carnac.

How do I best use Straken on the tabletop?

He was so much more worth it in 5th. 12 inch buff range, Furious Charge gave +1 Initiative too, no Overwatch. Now I feel like it's not worth it to charge with Guardsmen when you can First Rank Fire Second Rank Fire with Prescience instead. You get more hits, you re-roll to hit, plus you'll re-roll to hit on Overwatch if they charge you, plus you'll get +1 Attack from Counter-Attack if Straken is nearby.

I also don't know what to do because you can't assault out of a transport that didn't move the previous turn. How are you supposed to use him? My guess is not at all because he's weaker now and more expensive.

The dicksukers here doesnt know how to read. impressive...

>Slaanesh wont die, Sex doesnt mean pleasure, there are other sadithig things to achieve that, and the god of vicious thoughts loves it
>Nurgle lost his best and ancient Daemon prince, at the cost of killing Yriel, but Ynnead ressurrected Yriel and purged Nurgles best rot from him like if it was nothing

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>killed thanks to pg-13 policies
Oh dude, I have a bad news for u.
>Would like an official quote from GW that the change was to make the setting more appetizing to kids and their parents money
>AoS age rating switched from 12+ to 8+

>Yncarne

Every time

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>Warhammer useless fucbois created only to show how cool other factions
>Imperial Guard
Don't choke on your ambitions.

>>Implying that Abbygail is capable of doing things without Helicopter Mom Games Workshop's help
>ADB most popular BL author
>implying Abby wouldn't get any help

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Relax fellow Ultramarines you probably will become Ultra Space Marine in Age of Guilliman, but only after Abbadon victory

>ADB most popular BL author
[citation needed]

He is the only BL author who gets to write GW fluff and edit GW codexes/supplements. GW handed to him everything Abaddon related.

In BL weekenders his booth is the most crowded.

He needs someone to proofread and correct his shit. He needs an editor.

Laurie Goulding was his editor.

>implying Being popular with GW is equivalent, or even correlational, to being popular with the audience
>Implying BL weekenders are even known to anyone outside of BL's most dogmatic, zealous, and autistic fanboys

>>implying Being popular with GW is equivalent, or even correlational, to being popular with the audience
>implying audience>GW

It didn't make sense for him to be on the ship.

I'm mad too.

>Implying that knowing how to circlejerk and wank your boss' ego by writing stuff that agrees with them is better than being able to write good fluff
>Implying that this trend of Lore-butchery and fanfic tier writing won't eventually result in GW losing their last legs and crumbling as their Lore-fag fans start leaving in droves

>Laurie "Fuck all established lore in the ass and turn it into my personal fanfiction" Goulding was his editor
Well that wasn't helpful at all.

ADB-haters on Veeky Forums are like the autists who dropped Sonic because of blue arms in the new cartoon, literally nothing to GW.

>Implying the aesthetic wrongness of Sonic Boom was the blue arms and not the Hipster Douchebag scarf
>Implying there weren't already a thousand and one reasons to drop sonic before
>Implying Sonic isn't only kept afloat through the undying devotion of Furfags who desperately need new material for their porn and fanfiction to keep the shame, dissapointment, and unhappiness of reality from bursting their escapist bubble
>Implying that GW's life-support system of wagecuck addicts and Sheltered NEET fanboys is going to last forever

>a slight redesign of a character
>turning 30 years of lore on its head and taking a massive shit on it
>i-it's the same you guys! Y-you're just overreacting!
Please ADB go and stay go

Am I alone in preferring Ollanius as an apocryphal piece of propaganda?

>being upset that everyone loses in 40k

Um.

In a way, I recognize that that's pretty much what he is, but man if I don't buy into the propaganda.

Happy to see that GW is bringing back some of the obscure Warp entities, granted the Void Whale did show up in 5th Edition.

The Emperor have to go to the Chaos gods in order to create the Primarchs does at least make some sense since it has seemingly always been the case in 40k or for a good while that straight up cloning doesn't work. It also helps to sell that the Primarchs are more than human. Not to mention it always being rumored that Chaos was involved.

Perpetuals I don't see why people throw tantrums over when they're simply humans who managed to reincarnate instead of getting eaten by daemons or dissipating into the Warp. They also don't seem to be much of a big deal when you consider that apparently every Eldar could reincarnate before The Fall.

Eh, Drach'nyen's birth doesn't seem too bad to me. As far as I know no one raised a stink about Realms of Chaos saying the Emperor is super special simply because he is a bunch of human souls fused together or humans being an integral part in three of the four Chaos gods coming into sapience.

This would actually be a neat twist.

Imagine how fucking mad his 'children' would be if Grandpappy Nurgle died. They'd cut a path across the galaxy to gather enough despair to resurrect him.

As a permament thing, yeah it sucks, but it might be neat for a campaign type deal. Necrons have a weapon to kill a Chaos God, do so on Nurgle, and now the champions of Nurgle have to go on a road trip.

At the end, it all turns out to have been a ploy by Tzeentch to motivate Nurgle into creating a virus that affects Necrodermis.

>He is the only BL author who gets to write GW fluff and edit GW codexes/supplements
hahahaha

they didn't change shit

>space marine: the emperor takes the Imperial Fists and custodian guard to raid Horus' command bunker on earth
>release of plastic IG in RT: pius supposedly takes a hit for the big cheese in the Emperor's command bunker. Not in the final attack, not even from horus, he just takes a bullet for the team and is remembered as a saint
>StD; LatD: emperor takes the blood angels, imperial fists and custodian guard on a teleport attack into Horus' flagship. An imperial fist interrupts the climactic duel (most likely as a reference to the original scenario)

>>Implying that this trend of Lore-butchery and fanfic tier writing won't eventually result in GW losing their last legs and crumbling as their Lore-fag fans start leaving in droves
Your "Lore-fags" gladly eated Gathering the Storm writing, so I ma pretty sure they will eat ADB ideas since he is much better fluff-writer than Ward

He is right

>he is much better fluff-writer than Ward, Thorpe and Kelly
fix

>Your "Lore-fags" gladly eated Gathering the Storm writing
He who Shitposts, and that Tau Namefag Shas'O Rymr Don't speak for 40k Lorefags

Wut?

>Eh, Drach'nyen's birth doesn't seem too bad to me. As far as I know no one raised a stink about Realms of Chaos saying the Emperor is super special simply because he is a bunch of human souls fused together or humans being an integral part in three of the four Chaos gods coming into sapience.

But the Emperor being a bunch of fused souls is at least internally consistent. The very nature of the Warp is memetic: the more something is thought/the more things there are trying to think something the more power it has. That's why the Orkz are able to work off of Crowd mentality and why the Chaos Gods are all based around common simple concepts and emotions at their cores. It makes sense that effects of big Souls can be replicated by combining a bunch of smaller ones: the more people there are, the more power they have. One relatively minor milestone creating a super-daemon is inconsistent with that theme.

Although, I will agree with you that 3 of the 4 Chaos Gods having human-centric origins is stupid. However, I believe that that caused less outrage because:
A. The Human-centrism was just a classic case of Authorial Human bias that is seen in almost every Sci-fi and Fantasy setting, rather than the writer trying to adapt another story in the setting without actually understanding that story and why it wouldn't work in the setting.
& B. Aside from Slannesh (whose origin explains his connection to the Eldar as well as their big crisis), the Origins of the Chaos Gods are just random trivia as they are important for what they are and do rather then where they came from. This allowed people to conveniently "forget" that little piece of Lore and replace it with a headcanon that made more sense. Drach'nyen's identity and importance however, is so integrally tied to his origin story (which, I just want to point out is also a comman trait in OC donutsteels), that it would be impossible to ignore without redoing his whole character of getting rid of him entirely.

So Drach'nyen now the last daemon of Undivided?

A. You say that like it means something
B. I never saw Ward, Thorpe, or Kelly insert waifus into everything or have his characters whine about their daddy issues

Is he worth it in the tabletop? He's so cool.

That makes me angry.

W-we will always have L-lorgar, r-right guys?

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so now that the book is out, did ynnead deliver? or did the eldar get memed again? also, since I've never read much into eldar lore, are they unable to reproduce sexually?

I think the Eldar can reproduce like humans, they just do it very carefully in order to avoid losing themselves to the pleasure and murderfucking another Chaos God into existence.

in warcraft they can reproduce but its very hard and can take hundreds of years to conceive one child. they have sterility issues. maybe its the same with eldar? not wanting to bring another hate fucking chaos god into existence also makes sense, but im certain the dark eldar do enough of that anyways in their rape dungeons.

the reason I ask about their reproduction ability, is that if they can indeed do what humans do, then how are they going extinct? just have more kids!

>are they unable to reproduce sexually?
no, they can do that

craftworld eldar are just ascetic weirdos who abstain from all emotion as best as they can

dark eldar live too far on the edge to be able to reproduce normally, to the point that it's a status symbol if you can pop a baby out without assistance (that's what "true born" are)

so you're telling me that eldar are going extinct because they won't have sex? it suddenly makes so much more sense as to why they're always in cryptic brooding moods. it must be so hard for a female craftworld eldar to have to sit in front of all those happy human girls that get regular dickings, no wonder they call humans monkeys.

>B. I never saw Ward, Thorpe, or Kelly insert waifus into everything
>what is Draigo
>what if Ynnari who beat any Chaos on easy mode and ending TS plot in one paragraph
At least ADB knew how to make his changes in lore looks more believable.
Why? Abba finally found Stormbringer.

I chuckle every time I see that pic