>Previous Thread A subject to kick us off, folks: what about any one faction in the game would you change, major detail or small?
Kindly no End Times or Age of Sigmar. If that is your cup of tea, please go elsewhere, especially if you're just going to shill or troll. For all intents and purposes, it's not the same universe.
It's a ASoIaF gag. House Greyjoy, whose coat of arms is a gold kraken, has the words 'We Do Not Sow' as their motto, a reference to the fact that their culture is based around piracy and reaving. Fellheart's a corsair with a kraken mask, and the druchii don't sow, either (they, like the Ironborn, have slaves for that).
Christopher King
For whoever was asking about Bretonnian burial practices, see pg. 40 of Knights of the Grail.
Andrew Hall
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Ryan Fisher
I don't know if he'll see this, but a thread ago I was talking about Vampire Counts core and how I hated Ghouls. I said I'd post a list. This is a bit rough but here it is.
I'm also 8 points over so I need to shave some off.
Critique and comments welcome, cheers.
Lords Vampire Lord - 220 level 1 wizard heavy armour - 6 enchanted shield - 5 ogre blade - 40 talisman of preservation - 45 quickblood - 30 red fury - 50 = 396
Special 29 Grave Guard - 319 39 great weapons - 29 seneschal - 10 standard bearer - 10 banner of the barrows - 50 musician - 10 = 428
10 Black Knights - 210 10 sets of barding - 30 hell knight - 10 standard bearer - 10 musician - 10 = 270
4 Vargheists - 184 vargoyle - 10 = 194
Rare Terrorgheist - 225 = 225
Total: 2508
Bentley Miller
I should also mention it's not hyper competitive. Hence why I kept away from 2 Terrors.
Adrian Richardson
Tetsubo never
Nathan Powell
I'd rather a Cathay army desu. You could add in some extra rules for samurai and assassins, as well as warriors from Ind, so you could have a purely Cathayn force, or enough flexiblity to include some 'mercenaries' from other lands, or to even make Ind or Nippon armies on their own. Sort of like how at least in theory you could create an Estalian or Tilean army with Empire or Bretonnian rules.
Andrew Wright
I've meant to compile a Cathay image in the same manner but I keep putting off digging up every reference to Cathay in books. Most of it is lore stuff, I don't think there's actually any rules, so it's kind of reverse of Yamato/Nippon I guess.
Nathan Russell
So I've just seen what is likely to be the end of a campaign, and I'd like to know if anyone's interested in the tale of it. Does anyone remember many threads ago, when I told the tale of my first WFRP session? Of how I barely escaped a beastman horde and made the heal check with no training in medicine? That campaign.
Joshua Scott
I don't recall but go on.
Isaac Wright
I recall it vaguely, and was thinking "Ha ha, he's fucked," and also "I need to bully my players more." Go on.
Brandon Flores
I don't remember that story, but I would love to hear the end of it. There's a mug of good dwarven ale in it for you.
Jacob Allen
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Jack Morris
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Dominic Johnson
Sounds like a house everyone would eventually get sick off and gang up on.
Colton Lewis
If most Vampires are, indirectly or not, descended from the culture of the Tomb Kings, why did they develop such a strange and unique form of dress and armor?
Brody Morgan
Because GW has this philosophy that every faction needs a distinct look. I always felt it was the dumbest thing ever with Vampire Counts since they don't really have a unified culture and anyone from any walk of life can end up as an undead.
Henry James
Why are these vampires so ugly while Lahmians and Ulrika are pretty?
Angel Cook
I'm gonna guess that in 7'th edition there was still the kneejerk against the Twilight movies and GW wanted to distance their vampires from that.
Kevin Smith
Vampires maintain a different appearance when in public, which would be important for a bloodline that infiltrates human society like the Lahmians. When in battle they drop this and put on their game face.
Cameron James
Welcome Retard-steros.
Caleb Cruz
so its just magic? Illusion and they are really all ugly corpses?
also why does Mannlet looks so weird
Alexander Brown
Still less retarded than Warhammer politics.
Kevin Murphy
To blend in with the culture of The Empire, as throughout their combined histories, they've tried to maintain secrecy of their heritage. That, combined with the fact that they would want to distance themselves from Nehekara, the Vampire Counts would have gone from political refugees, to absorbing members, lords and princelings from the Empire, their culture and customs.
See twilight,
And the concept of a "war face", that vampires could on the one hand be beautiful and alluring, but in times of war, affix an expression of their twisted, cursed souls.
And resting bitch face. The best face
David Collins
Who was gonna even gonna guess that the Vampires came from Nehekhara? I'm not even sure that is a known fact amongst people in the setting.
Connor Williams
>"We're gonna dress up like the Chaos Warriors and Dark Elves to fit right in. No one will ever suspect a thing."
Wyatt Rivera
So this 9th age is any good?
Josiah Diaz
Started out as more balanced Warhammer (at the cost of a few fluffier/flavorful faction-specific rules/mechanics) but is now becoming more of its own thing with stuff like the new army limit mechanics and its own fluff (which, among other things, includes elements like "seven Chaos Gods based off the seven sins", fem!Sigmar liberating not!Rome from Skaven, etc.).
It has recently gathered quite a bit of skub due to this.
Jace Green
That happened, but for some reason* they didn't just put every "noble" on the island to the sword.
* (Ned being a pussy and the somewhat less stringent social structure that let pretty much all the men on the islands take part in the piracy which would have mandated a pretty complete genocide IIRC)
Luke Williams
There are four parallel timelines that I know of in the Warhammer Fantasy universe.
One is the Storm of Chaos timeline, which is the setting of WFRP 2nd edition and most lore books associated with it, including Darkness Rising, which is an in-universe account of the Storm.
Another is the setting of Age of Reckoning and the three books written for it. Archaon never became Everchosen in this timeline and was replaced by Tchar'zanek of the Raven Host.
Finally there's The End Times timeline and of course the Blood Bowl alternate universe. Am I forgetting any?
Lincoln Gomez
This is really great. Do you have more or a source?
Brody Sanchez
It worked.
Aaron Perez
I'm really more annoyed that all the skeletons gets shit with batwings on them. Did the entire old world just have a batshit craze dynasty that was forgotten and VC is just selective with who they raise?
Adrian James
Maybe giant bats are native to the region so they were a natural choice for iconography.
Adrian Cruz
What, the entire Old World?
Brody Young
I assumed the skeletons they raised were native to Sylvania.
Nicholas Lewis
Vampire Counts are not exclusive to Sylvania. It's mostly just a Carstein hotspot.
Sebastian Collins
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Aaron Howard
Guys I need a picture of either an orc holding a stuntie head in his hand, or some sort of picture that would showcase a waaagh in its sheer numbers and shit
Charles Reed
female Sigmar.
This is some serious level of shitty fanfiction I see. Well, maybe gameplay will be good.
Jaxon Green
Sorry about the late response, went to bed.
Anyway, after we had the first session, we reached Schwartzhafen on a job after being annoyed by halfling bandits, we made our way back to Wurtbad after being jumped yet again by beastmen, this time with a beastlord armed with a chaos weapon. We barely survived while losing our slayer, and when one of us took the beastlord's chaos weapon to cremate them ( it was perpetually on fire.) we ended up sending his soul to Khorne. We managed to use this boost to our reputation to get the local elector count to sponsor us going to Mordheim( A decision we would regret, and that I opposed wholeheartedly.) There, we cleared out an old keep near the city, and started working on expanding our warband. This about where things went downhill, as we got worn down dealing with incredibly lethal enemies that we barely survived against even with the 400 or so xp at the end of sessions. He had these tables for encounters, and ended up with us against dark elf assassins and daemons from Araby, and eventually I was getting a bit tired of my elf mage, so I decided to try something new. The GM promised a RP heavy session, with less of the lethality. So of course I didn't trust him, and made a kislevite kossar so I could survive by keeping at range and using the bear he gave me to stay safe in melee. The bear lasted one combat, as we pursued some beastmen down a street and met skaven with a ratling gun. This ratling gun mutated my bear into basically chaos spawn while two with warpstone spears impaled me. Now agitated and with the rest of the group on their way out, I figured, fuck it, he's doing it like this, I may as well go full blood for the blood god. Made a norse character, an Ulfwerenar even, which he approved. Encountered the rest of the group in mordheim, tried to convince them to let my new berzerker join(despite the mutations and chaos weapons, they were still anti chaos) TBC
Jordan Butler
I would be okay with Red Sonja Sigmar.
Leo Walker
Can't be worse than Valten.
Nathan Wright
Guess what comes back from the alleyways? My old mutated bear. We all end up fighting it as best we can, but it's a beast and I'm pretty sure was faster than us. I use Ulfwerenar form to fight it off, and when it gets to about half health we all are made to roll toughness -50 or get infected with year fever and two other lethal diseases. Faced with characters new and old basiclally getting cancer, It devolved into argument and the game fell apart. Maybe we just aren't good with the lethality of the system, maybe it was the Gm's fault. But hey, at least now I can do a norse campaign.
Asher Thomas
Probably more like minor transfiguration.
Levi Wood
>mfw i've been pronouncing marienburg wrong all this time
It just hit me last night.
Carson Nelson
"Mar-ee-en-burg", like it would be pronounced if it was English. I only just realised it should be pronounced "Mar-een-burg", like marine.
Christian Rodriguez
So how did you pronanunce it?
Landon Perry
I'm gonna keep pronanuncing it the first way. It sounds more germanic.
Eli Garcia
But if it were German, it would be pronounced Mareenburg.
Ian Johnson
There are other germanic languages than german.
Lincoln Clark
No, Mar-ee-enburg would be the German pronounciation.
Jackson Gomez
The one I've started questioning myself about is Tilea. I've been pronouncing it 'Till-ea'. mainly because it has the same sounds as 'Italy' but in the wrong order. But if Tylos is pronounced 'Tie-loss', then people from Tylos would be 'Tie-leans'. Which would fit.
When I was a kid, I pronounced Skaven as 'Skavven'. As in 'ravenous'. I still like that pronunciation. It's more... ideophonetic? Not sure if that's the right term.
Aaron Garcia
But german or dutch would be the best fitting languages.
Austin Hernandez
It's only natural to pronanunce things after your own language.
So now that modders are now capable of adding legendary heroes and legendary lords to factions with their unique looks and abilities, who's gonna make good old Leitdorf and Daisy?
Jaxon Barnes
How many years does it take to armor that dragon ogre? How many days does it take to put all that stuff on?
Lincoln Gutierrez
maybe he sleeps in it maybe is chaos armor granted by the gods maybe he is born with it
Tyler Hernandez
>maybe he is born with it Maybe it's Tzeentchian
Adam Reyes
This has happened more than once. Last time, the first (well, last) son of the ruler of the Islands was taken hostage to assure his peacibility. It didn't work, partly because daddy didn't give a shit about his son.
Honestly, the smart move would've been to kill every non-thrall on the island.
Anthony White
Some vampires stop even trying to look human, and supposedly dhar corrupts you and makes it more difficult over time. Vain vampires, like Neferata, manage.
I'm pretty sure that's the same timeline as the Storm of Cucks timeline.
Cooper Baker
I thought Age of Reckoning was set earlier.
Easton Collins
Maybe I'm a noob but can I just ask what makes the Storm of Chaos incompatible with the End Times?
Aiden Anderson
All of that comes from the first three editions of WHFB, you'll have to dig up the pdf files for those online.
The WFRP book I was referring to, in case you are interested, is a "lost" book which sets the groundwork for Yamato (known as Nippon in WHFB) but was ultimately canceled by GW for unknown reasons. I have a link here but I don't know if it's the most updated/recovered version of it out there: drive.google.com/file/d/0B63rIuFhh29eZWNkMGIyMzEtYWViYi00M2Q4LWE5MjgtOGIyYTU1Njg2ZmIw/view
Benjamin Collins
Archaon lost humiliatingly and Valten died different. His host broke apart and fell to infighting.
Adrian Torres
Nope. It's a parallel universe. It's and End Times scenario without Archaon. Instead they have an actually competent guy in charge who gets Dark Elves and Greenskins to join him somehow.
Hudson Kelly
Basically it makes Archaon look like an armless failure. So they retconned it so that it never happened.
They never found Valten's body, though.
Matthew Morales
So really apart from Valten being different it's not incompatible.
GW has retconned stuff in the past. I think SoC still happened in the ET timeline.
Christian Harris
Sparta somehow endured for centuries too.
Nicholas Brooks
What happened to Archaon after he lost in Storm of Chaos? I don't see the Chaos Gods being merciful to failed champions.
Lincoln Campbell
I think Sparta actually had agriculture, though. Greyjoy seems to think that having farmers is a sign of weakness.
Hudson Jenkins
I think he just kinda went back to the Chaos Wastes feeling like a loser and he wasn't talked about much more.
Mason Parker
I'd like to think the Chaos Gods tormented him for all eternity in some suitably ironic way.
Samuel Harris
Greyjoy has agriculture much like Sparta did, actually: run entirely by slaves (well, "thralls," as the Ironborn call them).
Julian Flores
He retreated to the Brass Keep, apparently, but nothing had been heard from him since.
Brody Green
AFAIK that sort of stuff was handled by slaves, which is exactly how the dark elves do it
Easton Perry
I like to think that the Chaos gods just decided to ignore the entire thing and then Archaon sat down in a bathtub of shame with a Skaven warpstone powered toaster.
Jaxson Sanders
So, for a prospective Estalian force, what could we add besides:
They'll keep him around as long as he has a use and he did in the End Times.
Liam Turner
Cursed conquistadors with Lizardmen artifacts.
Angel Thomas
Try and get a hold of Marco Colombo if you can, he would make a good General.
I think some Marines would be a nice addition, Spain has the oldest marine corps in the world and a fearsome navy.
I don't know if you have some figures sorted but Gamezone Miniatures and Avatars of War sell Spanish style Empire guys.
William Ortiz
Maybe it's Maybelline.
Juan Butler
Anyone?
Jacob Scott
It's probably meant for just Sylvania, since the symbol seems to be associated with the place. Could also be that vampires tend to actually have their skeletons bear such symbols because they both suck blood and are creatures of the night.
I miss the old Grave Guard, myself. A bit more generic looking, sure, but it also meant a little more room for kitbashing. I only really see them brought up when people want undead Bretonnians these days.
Jason Parker
Yeah, I still have 20 of those guys and I like their helmets better. I should repaint them.
Elijah Nguyen
Picture related would make a good Vampire Lord. Just not sure how to fit it on a base.
Joseph Parker
THICC
Anthony Sanchez
Except Eldar aren't, dumb memer.
Andrew Martin
It's just the dress. These are no fat ass Sisters of Battle.