That fuckin' scarecrow. Clear indication that they want us to run horror games. So I did and shit was cash.
Noah Wood
Anons? Hopefully simple question: Back in 3e, there were these two 9th level necromancy spells, Army of Darkness and Plague of Undeath, who shared the same basic effect: raising 5 HD per caster level of zombies & skeletons with each casting. The big different was AoD took a day to cast and PoU only took an action.
First question: do you think these spells could be converted, at least in the sense of the 9th level uber-Animate Dead they were intended to be?
Last question: could they both be made workable? Say, Army of Darkness animates a very large Zombie or Skeleton Horde (swarm-type creature), whilst Plague of Undead is a kind of suped-up infections Contagion spell that turns those who die from it into zombies under your command?
Logan Bailey
Bulette.
The fucking Bulette drove my party to the edge.
In a single turn he managed to fuck their shit harder than anything they faced previously. They quickly realized that it was do or die, no fucking around.
David Cruz
It's called upcasting.
Benjamin Ross
Let's see... Animate Dead raises 1 zombie/skeleton with a casting, +2 per spell slot level when upcasting. So a 9th level Animate Dead raises a grand total of... 13 zombies/skeletons!
...Yeah. Some army.
I know what upcasting does, and Army of Darkness/Plague of Undeath have the potential to be a hell of a lot more than mere "9th level Animate Deads".
Mason Morris
What are some cool lair actions you've used on your players before?
Kevin Miller
What would be the best class for an elf supremacist? Or for a guy that just wants to hunt and eat the biggest monsters? I'm thinking wizard and barbarian right now but any input would be appreciated.
Zachary Diaz
What are some fun character concepts for a Kobold?
I was thinking of making an Artificer, but I'm not too into how weak the class feels.
Mason Anderson
Elf Bladesinger.
For your hunter, probably Spellless ranger variant slapped onto the Revised Ranger with Hunter Conclave.
Jack Nguyen
5e is lower power level Many minions would simply ruin the game
Zachary Nguyen
How do you feel about Kobold as PC? Is the Sunlight Sensitivity as bad as it sounds?
Daniel Gray
Wyvern, purely because of something that happened with one of my players.
>Me: OK, its your turn now, Wrestling Dragonborn Bearbarian >Him: I GRAPPLE THE WYVERN >:) >Me: Are you sure? >Him: Yes!!! >Me: Roll for it. >Him: Yes! Nat 20! >Me: Okay, so you grapple the wyvern. >Him: Yay! >Me: Now its the wyvern's turn. Because its so much bigger than you, its going to ignore you and take to the skies... >Him: Oh no! >Me: And flies over the edge of the nearby cliff... >Him: OH NO!
Suffice to say, it did not end well for him.
Gavin Roberts
You can cast the spell multiple times. Also, reassertion is a thing.
At level 20... 3 level 3 spells, asserts over 4 each 3 level 4 spells, asserts over 6 each 3(+2 arcane recovery) level 5 spells, asserts over 8 each 2 level 6 spells, asserts over 10 each 2 level 7 spells, asserts over 12 each 1 level 8 spell, asserts over 14 each 1 level 9 spell, asserts over 16 each
16*1 + 14*1 + 12*2 + 10*2 + 5*8 + 3*6 + 3*4
=144 skeletons/zombies using all of your spell slots except 1s and 2s.
What, you had to use all your spell slots to create a mini army of zombies and completely destroy action economy? You wanted your DM to have to go through 1000 of them? You wanted a spell that did all of this WITHOUT upcasting? Then you don't know how 5e works.
Isaac Baker
Which is why, once they start to break 5-7 of the things you call it a swarm with swarm rules, give it the stats of a giant of some variety then call it a day. Or just raise a single bigger minion.
This guy gets it. It's why my plan all along was that an Army of Darkness spell creates a Huge (Gargantuan? Eh, whatever) Swarm of Zombies/Skeletons, because that way it gets the feel across of a huge army of the undead, whilst still only taking up actions as per a single minion.
Juan Taylor
>Or just raise a single bigger minion Those are conjure spells, probably.
If you want a level 9 'Conjure skeletal dragon' or something spell, then go ahead, I guess, as long as you balance it out properly.
You can already upcast conjure spells. You can cast conjure celestial at level 9 to summon a CR 5 celestial, at least.
Ian Thompson
I think the alchemist artificer from unearthed arcana would make for an excellent battle chef.
Leo Jones
They should definitely NOT be converted, as Animate Dead with a higher level spell slot fulfills the role.
Far better to do something like that as a plot type ritual, a necromancer ALREADY gets way more than enough minions. Way, way, WAY more than enough.
Kevin Turner
>Not German Suplexing the Wyvern from the cliff >Not giving a fuck because you got resistance bludgeon when you are raging
This Dragonborn cruiserweight gotta cruiserWAIT, Jack. He ain't no Tiburon, the kid is just not ready for a main event push.
Xavier Russell
The next campaign arc for new players finishing up LMoP will be themed around the merging of the Feywild with the Material Plane and the coming of a mystical fey lord known as the Green King. I want the whole ordeal to be more horror and more strange. The primal forces and weird nature of the creatures and physics beyond our own. Any ideas for elements, places or monsters to implement? Much of the official Feywild is more satyrs and unicorns than the stuff of russian and gaelic folklore.
Jeremiah Davis
Eating monsters is definitely an alchemist artificer thing.
Expertise in chef's utensils, good with liquids.
Gabriel Williams
I am new. I have never played a bard ir warlock. What is the proper way to play as them? Mechanically and roleplay.
Elijah Scott
Keep in mind in the edition where you can make a bajillion skeletons, those skeletons are weak pushovers unable to contribute, in 5e the skeleton is going to have something like 20-30 hp and 11 or so damage for a high level necromancer.
Liam Taylor
>relatively new players/DM >party level 3 >CR 5 demon suddenly appears from invisibility right next to sorcerer >lands 1 attack >sorcerer shocking grasps and gets the fuck out >melee players move in and lock the demon down in engagement >entire party wails on it until its next turn >completely trivial encounter despite CR difference and appearing from invis right on top of back line
So, uh, what's the proper solution to this?
Juan Hernandez
>CR diffference >A single CR 5 dude
Kevin Wood
CR differences aren't a big deal until they are much wider than two levels. Between damage averages and Bounded Accuracy being what it is.
And if your party is lucky it can be that simple, if they're unlucky and you are gunning for them, maybe not.
Isaiah Edwards
CRs are meant to be combined. Unless a monster was designed to solo (e.g. it has multiattack or legendary/lair actions) the action economy will fuck it hardcore.
Angel Cook
>A single monster without any back-up
I've met far too many people who seem to think that in 5e a single creature can be heroic and fight all on its own, only for it to get stunlocked and fucked every which ways to friday.
It doesn't matter if it has CR bajlilion, if its defences aren't crazy with legendary resistance all over the shop then there's probably some way to shut it down and kill it.
Connor Powell
>what's the proper solution to this?
The PCs fight monster defeat monster what is porblem?
Jayden Ramirez
>Animate Dead with a higher level spell slot fulfills the role. Yes, because 13 skeles/zombies fulfills the exact same role as hundreds. Because those 13 skeletons, which will die in one hit to fucking anything you send them against because you're level 18 and thus going against CR 20 shit, really make the dread necromancer feel strong when that is the only one of two options he has for actually raising dead servants available to him. >like 20-30 hp and 11 or so damage 5egmegaanon.github.io/5etools/bestiary.html#Skeleton 2d8+4 HP Damage is 1 swing with a weapon +2 str Animate dead specifically raises the MM statted skeleton/zombie
Christian Ross
CR 5 for level 3 players isn't that bad. According to the Dungeom Master's Guide: "For example, a party of four 3rd-level characters should find a monster with a challenge rating of 3 to be a worthy challenge, but not a deadly one."
Josiah Lopez
Anot her DM and I agreed on allowing players to use smoked glass goggles to get around he sunlight sensitivity for Kobolds and Drow. It doesn't completely remove the threat, as your dependant on the goggles not getting ripped off or shattered. Also it's got that Riddick vibe.
Christian Miller
To add to this, some monsters are assigned a CR BECAUSE the game intends for you to dogpile and obliterate them. Casting monsters can threaten, or destroy, PCs to a great deal (look at the caster level 17, CR 7 fiend warlock, and the caster level 18, CR 12 archmage), but their fairly low CR is an indicator of how likely they can be killed quickly.
Wyatt Murphy
My DM had us face a "Green King" which turned out to be a Fiend. It didn't even last two turns, because I unknowingly explored his big weakness. Feelssadman.png For ideas, watch that Korra arc in which the spirited and material world merge, it's pretty much that. Plants growing everywhere, spirits going around causing confusions, maybe add some Wild Magic areas, stuff like that
Xavier Campbell
>Tiburon >true story >not fiction made up by someone who doesn't actually know the system
ok
Robert Miller
The first one could be any class depending on how you look at it, but something that works best with the races particular strengths would fit best and assuming it's high elf then Wizard is as good a pick as any. Hunter Ranger would work for the second one provided the GM was running a game where Ranger features actually matter.
Connor Myers
Something I want to do.
"Okay everyone, we're busting out the web articles for modern equipment and proficiencies and the modern magic UA, I want us to try our hand at some Urban Arcana,"
I would hope to get a diverse party, between casters martials and non humans with at least one human who is from earth proper and not the descendant of or a shadow born human themselves so they don't see the supernatural party members for what they really are...until...
Halfway through the second session after establishing the party and matters of local intrigue seed a rumor of some local kids or scoundrels going missing in a certain part of town in a nearby suburb. Investigating the area notes something odd, a four story victorian house that looks out of place around all these small lot ranches and occassional mcmansions.
It seems abandoned...and entering, run Death House. Upon entry through the mists they are in Barovia and the normal human can see the others for what they really are...
And then its time for Curse of Strahd.
Gabriel Green
Uh, maybe you should read the necromancer class features. Animate Dead (and Create Undead) are very, VERY powerful tools for a necromancer.
Necromancers are the biggest damage dudes in the whole fucking wizarding world.
I don't know what you could possibly do with hundreds of the weak, pleb skeletons of prior editions other than annoy everyone at the game table.
Basically your mission here seems to be to not understand the 5e necromancer, not understand balance, and whine at everyone trying to help you. Good job.
Bentley Wright
We recently got our shit rocked by a single black pudding, but it was a super enclosed space. 5 ft wide 300 ft deep chasm full of clockwork bullshit, and somewhere in that mess is the pudding. It's an ooze, so it squished thought all the gears no problem.
Two of us ended the fight naked.
Kevin Walker
>Thinking being able to control up to 144 skeletons at a time with +20 HP, +6 damage from necromancer wizard and the ability to control possibly even a lich on top of that using 'command undead' isn't overpowered >Necromancer wizard laughing as his skeleton horde, all given greatswirds by the wizard all bash on a legendary dragon with his oathbreaker paladin friend giving them all +5 to damage >Even if the skeletons only hit an ancient dragon on an 18 or higher, that's 2/20 chance per skeleton per round of doing 2d6+5+6+2 (20) damage or 1/20 chance of doing 4d6+5+6+2 (27) damage
>At full capacity, 21.6 attacks, dealing 22.33 damage each to the dragon
>No, we need a level 9 spell as well so you can get a lich, 128 skeletons AND whatever bullshit army a level 9 spell makes.
Bentley Collins
So 33 HP will still die to a single overchanneled fireball so your 13 skeletons are now assorted bones So you have your wights left Which, while nothing to scoff at, will get demolished against any CR 15-20 monster you go against.
Robert Young
>Not commanding them to spread out so a fireball won't nuke all of them >Not counterspelling the fireball
Cameron Ortiz
>wizard conjures 144 skellys >cramp them all around the druid >druid casts animals shapes >enjoy your 144 CR4 beasts
Ian Taylor
I don't think it's too bad. There's ways around it if you find ways to force advantage for yourself. Barbarian reckless swing, or using pack tactics.
Ranger with a beast companion is a pretty neat way around it, especially if you make it some kind of mounted martial combatant.
Sebastian Torres
It's pretty easy to make a kobold spellcaster who never makes an attack roll.
Nicholas Cooper
I want to roll a kobold ranger who rides an ambush dragon
Andrew Campbell
Nice try, but Skelemancer will win in nearly any remotely level appropriate engagement, no problem. It is one of the most powerful "builds" in 5e, and I put that in quotes because its just a fucking necromancer with no frills, no weaselly RAW abuse, no UA jack fuckery, just a single classed dude using his class features and spell slots in a single simple way.
If you CHOOSE to be a fucking idiot and lose your skeletons, well that's on you as a dumb ass player. Its up to you to grab Globe of Invulnerability and/or Counterspell, etc. Your party should ideally help you as well.
Zachary Rodriguez
Hey /5eg/, i got a rules question. I play a sorcerer, and i ride a hoers. rains, stirrups, the whole shebang.
If i cast witch bolt on an enemy within range during my turn, having not moved, can i ready an action to "keep at distance" said enemy, so that they're always between, say, 30 and 15 feet of me?
Jaxson Sullivan
I was gonna do that until my DM decided I'd get 1 less die for my stat rolls than anybody else
So I'm hanging that idea up until I find a way to convince him or find a new group.
Jordan Martin
Holy shit
Brody Cooper
>>New Plane Shift: Kaladesh For those in the know, where would THEY want a Plane Shift to go?
Wyatt Adams
That's not bad, especially if the rule for how if the beast is reduced to 0 hp, they pop back into their original form at whatever HP they had, taking only the excess damage. Looks like it.
This may be a TIME TO JACK OFF tier ability.
Ian Lewis
Unfortunately, Ready is an action. So no. Personally I would allow it though.
Christopher Brown
>witch bolt
Oh, you're that guy. Good luck lad, and fuck your DM.
Jayden Lewis
Mirrodin God please, make the next one Mirrodin
Adrian Mitchell
I might see if pic related convinces him, desu.
PC Kobold is just an innately born Dragonshield justifies it being stronger than the average kobold.
maybe I am an autist...
Brayden Walker
Next one we're getting will be for Amonkhet, a Not!Egypt plane ruled over by a bloody great dragon magician. One after will be Atlazan, which we know nothing about aside from the cat it has merfolk and a vaguely Aztec sounding name.
Samuel Clark
Do you mean New Phyrexia or Mirrodin?
Ian Nguyen
Fuck new Phyrexia Mirrodin
Is this confirmed?
Michael Barnes
Well, the Zendikar one covered both pre- and post-Eldrazi fuckery, so porque no los dos?
Connor Gray
Yeah but I didn't ask which one we were Obviously going to get. I asked which one would you WANT.
Jonathan Morris
Look at this incompleat scrub.
Jaxon Hughes
64 skeletons. All 1 HP. Boom. Hire me, Wizards.
David Bennett
I had to double check to make sure I wasn't in an MTG thread for a second.
Aiden Fisher
Mirrodin, Dominaria, and Kamigawa
Christian Martinez
Compleation Engineer Artificer WHEN
Jaxon Nguyen
...
Owen Ward
It would be fun to fluff it as the animal skeletons literally ripping their way out of their corpses to continue fighting.
Logan Green
Nice quads. Elephants are CR4
Lucas Carter
Quads of truth
David Scott
Assuming you only had 4 level 3's, that's a deadly encounter, which hardly means TPK. I bet you have a bigger than 4 person party too, so it's not even deadly. >Players beat a medium/hard encounter >WHY!?
Benjamin Long
Hey /5eg/, under what circumstances would you find both Zombies and Nothics together?
Noah Perry
A clade of necromancers had an experiment go terribly wrong, turning them into nothics.
Justin Perez
How does anyone even threatens a druid-defended forest? >druid gathers thousands of tiny-sized animals around him >transform them all into fucking elephants please someone put something like that in their campaign and tell how it goes
Jack Ross
I'm not a 100% sure I want to do this, mainly because my players are RAW, but how does the idea that spellcasters have to purchase named spells (Leomund's Tiny Hut, Drawmji Instant Summons, Tenser's Floating Disc) sound?
Matthew Harris
>>Players beat a medium/hard encounter >>WHY!?
more like "players barely took a scratch against a monster of higher CR, why"
but the question is, since action economy was the obvious problem in the encounter, do we just never fight any big, lone boss monsters until we get to shit that has legendary actions?
Gavin Nelson
Each Planeshift corresponds which the block it was released at the end of.
Amonkhet is the next block, Atlazan is the block that will follow.
Luke Davis
As in they can't learn named spells through a level up, they have to acquire them some other way
John Perry
So the best creature I can think of that is eligible is a Giant Scorpion, which does 19 physical + 22 (save half) poison damage a round. Not bad at all.
The most obvious permanent intelligent minion, barring elaborate shenanigans like making a vampire turn a high power but low intelligence NPC for a necromancer is the Mummy Lord, which is CR 15, has spells, legendary actions, and respawns if it dies.
So you could have a cool CURSE OF EGYPT type thing going on. Bonus points if you somehow get a scroll of True Polymorph and turn the party monk into a second Mummy Lord as well.
unfortunately both CR4 beasts are huge and ineligible. Currently there are no legitimate CR4 target shapes for Animal Shapes.
Andrew Kelly
>more like "players barely took a scratch against a monster of higher CR, why"
cuz the system is working as intended
nonlegendary creatures are not supposed to be balanced encounters for entire parties and you know that perfectly well
Blake Perry
Can turn into CR3 Giant Scorpions, good enough I guess
Jonathan Gutierrez
>The dragon takes flight and uses its breath weapon.
Are you really suggesting using hordes of fragile minions against a flying creature with a natural AoE damage action?
Ryder Carter
>All 3 Plane Shifts have been for the last 3 sets released Ravnica and Alara and maybe Theros would be nice, but for the time being I doubt they are going to make any for planes that aren't in the current spotlight.
Blake Green
>you know that perfectly well
guess you didn't read my first post huh
Adrian Barnes
>tfw no Dungeon Meshi campaign
Elijah Mitchell
I finished the first six pages in my handmade spellbook prop
Didn't take into account my shit handwriting
I'm disheartened
This was a failed endeavor
Jack Davis
In 5e fighting a single high level opponent is easier than fighting a mob of low level mooks.
My suggestion is to give it mooks so players are spread out, or if you really like the idea of having the party fight one big bad evil dude, give the guy legendary actions
Leo Brown
>Not already having found a way to ground the dragon, such as using your level 2 spell slot to enlarge the paladin and finding something else to grow him a size so he can grapple the dragon. Or fighting it inside a cave. Or one of the anti-air spells. Or a warlock with the pull ability. Or a flying warlock with repelling blast. Or anyone with sentinel. Or a vengenace paladin, or so forth.
>it uses its breath weapon, killing.. What, 20, 30, maybe even 40 of them? There'll still be plenty of them left, and it can't use its AoE every turn.
Charles Hill
As DMs, we all have that one fight early in our first campaign that we think is going to be tough and challenge the players by throwing a single monster with a CR higher than the party's level, and then watch it get shredded to pieces. In my case it was a CR 4 Ettin against a level 2 party.
There are 3 answers to solve that: legendary creatures, adding more less powerful monsters, and increasing HP by a bunch.
Gabriel Rivera
Pics
Oliver Gonzalez
Speaking of Necromancers, I've had the "Bone Engineer" meme trope bumping around in my head for a while. Thoughts?
>Necromancer Wizard >Uses Skeletons as a basis for animation- not necessarily RE-animation- magic, as Bone is a super-efficient magic conductor >Is researching how to use bone in the creation of constructs that don't require Necrotic energy and using it to animate things beyond horrible abominations, such as a bonemeal-concrete mix for "artificial" Undead shaped more like plaster or concrete machines >Is NOT a "Good" Necromancer- Lawful Neutral and is unrepentant in how their work is immoral. Very much a "Ends Justify the Means" type. They follow a strict code of ethics in the animation of corpses, such as only using "fairly harvested' bodies, and making their Skeletons completely clean to avoid spreading diseases (Whether or not the society in question knows hygiene helps in the spread of disease, as it's just as likely they believe clean skeletons are even worse than normal ones) >Keeps their Skeletons fully clothed with no bone visible whenever possible >Is experimenting with combining Animate Dead with Animate Objects to make a "Neutral" sort of construct that lasts indefinitely however doesn't need the absurd requirements for most Construct creation
As with most of the characters I make I'd intend their path to be open ended, with 3 main "ends"
>Good End- After joining a party of goody two-shoes adventurers, learns a way to animate constructs using positive energy to become an anti-necromancer >Neutral End- They successfully create a "Magic Concrete" that allows them to make Neutral Constructs, retire from adventuring to perfect this revolutionary material >Bad End- After ending up adventuring with a bunch of murderhoboing dicks they do as most "good" necromancers do and fall down the slippery slope to "evil Necromancer side quest villain to be slain by mid-tier adventurers"
Ryder Jackson
I'm not the DM, just looking for suggestions I can throw at him
>give the guy legendary actions
this appears to be what the DM is doing from now on
Caleb Sanders
Think of it this way: its your own codified script so if ever any other wizard gets their grubby paws on your book they can't benefit from your hard work
Gabriel Reed
>Druid and Necromancer team up to invade shit >Necromancer raises undead horde >Druid turns them into Giant Scorpions >Then wildshapes into an earth elemental, earth glides to provide stealthy support and the occasional siege weapon
Now we only need a justification for why.
Gavin Rodriguez
AC and to hit doesn't scale like crazy, so health goes up as damage chugs behind meaning that a group of 'low health' mooks can pump out way more damage than a similarly beefy boss dude.
Josiah Parker
Does this look solid/broken/gimped to you /5eg/?
My friend would like to play as a beastmaster ranger with a monkey that lives in his branches.
Treant
Ability Scores: Con +2, Wis +1 Size: Medium Speed: 30ft.
Natural Talent You have proficiency in the Nature skill.
Powerful Build You count as one size larger when determining your carrying capacity and the weight you can push, drag, or lift.
Ent Magic You know the Druidcraft cantrip. When you reach 3rd level you can cast Entangle once per day. When you reach 5th level, you can also cast either Spike Growth or Barkskin once per day. Wisdom is your spellcasting ability for these spells.
Forest Camouflage When you make a Stealth check in the forest you are considered proficient in the Stealth skill and add double your proficiency bonus to the check, instead of your normal proficiency bonus.