Empire is so much more competent than Imperium right?
Wrong.
They lost Emperor Sigismund to Orcs, got two provinces wiped out by fucking Beastmen under Gorthor,got rekt by a bunch of snowniggers who don't know any other tactic than frontal charge and had no gunpowder (then again Warriors of Chaos are total Mary Sues and the writing of their stories is more dreadful than their image) pretty much every time you want someone to look badass he kills a bunch of krauts.
Imperium has the excuse of being a totally backwards society of utter retards but Empire is pretty advanced so there is no reason why everything shits on them.
Aiden Edwards
>Imperium has the excuse of being a totally backwards society of utter retards but Empire is pretty advanced
>Imperium, that has FUCKING LASERS AND SPACE CATHEDRALS is totes backwards le guys XDDDDDDDD ;^) >but Empire, that has ONLY JUST DISCOVERED BLACKPOWDER AND HAS PEOPLE EMPTYING CHAMBER POTS IN THE STREET is pretty fuckin advanced mang!!!! XDDDDD
Way to make a stupid argument, OP. Have you considered killing yourself? Please do.
Robert Flores
Literally retarded.
Mason Clark
>Imperium with huge 11-barreled tanks, space cathedrals and laser guns is backwards compared NOT to the Empire, but to races like Tau, Necrons, etc. >Empire with blackpowder and shitty-ass steam tanks is advanced compared NOT to the Imperium, but to factions like Bretonnia, Beastmen, Warriors of Chaos, etc.
FTFY, and way to get the comparison wrong, user. Have you considered killing yourself? Please do.
Mason Fisher
Honestly the Empire did pretty well holding up against both Chaos and Orcs, though I suppose you could argue that with the former they weren't always under supreme threat.
Ryan Butler
>Everything is shitting on them
That's because despite the Empire having fairly high technology by real medieval European standards, it doesn't outweigh all the magical and biological shit they have to fight against.
>Warriors of Chaos Bunch of roided up vikings with barely any armour up until they gain the god's favour and start mutating weird shit that allows them to shrug off most anything that isn't a full-on cannonblast to the fucking face, who then go on to be clad in a platesuit made from mystical IWINNIUM.
>Beastmen Equally mutated and fucking resilient.
>Orcs Pretty much the same physically speaking as 40k Orkz, so you got a race that's essentially so desensitised to pain and shock with skin twice as thick as a rhino's who bolt metal to themselves for the "flash".
>Elves Fireballs and literal miracles > Gunpowder and high quality steel
William Clark
I think the problem here is that the Empire is but a country among many in the Old World. They don't even have the monopoly on humanity amd they have enemies as powerful as them. Warhammer Fantasy is like an all out brawl between equally powerful players.
The Imperium already won. They own the galaxy. Their enemies are attacking them from within their territory. 40k is like a bunch of mice ganging up on the dying giant that is the Imperium.
It's all about scale. If the Imperium is as relatively advanced as the Empire, or the Empire as powerful as the Imperium, humanity would be the sole and ultimate ruler of the setting.
Nathaniel Hall
The steamtanks are their own little niche of retarded, since technically they're all prototypes made hundreds of years ago.
Tyler Cooper
There is another race that matches the Imperium's levels of retarded... >most advanced knowledge of gunsmithing and mechanical engineering in the old world >afraid of innovation
Dylan Allen
>Imperium with huge 11-barreled tanks, space cathedrals and laser guns is advanced compared NOT to the Empire, but to races like Orks, Kroots, Tyranids,... >>Empire with blackpowder and shitty-ass steam tanks is backward compared NOT to the Imperium, but to factions like Elfs, Lizardmen, Tilea, Cathay, Skaven,...
Brody Reyes
I can't believe Age of Sigmar wiped them all out.
Thomas Phillips
and before someone says skaven have a better knowledge of engineering, I mean reliable engineering, the sort that might even pass a safety board.
Be thankful they are a bunch of ol' fashioned bastards.
Aaron Bennett
>innovation in war is always a good thing >the us would never have trouble dealing with a bunch of jungle nigger catfish farmers
constantly gambling in war just means you get wiped out the first time you get unlucky. there is nothing wrong with sticking to whats been proven to work
and before you reply, yes i know this is just a bait thread
Jackson Lee
If you live for centuries and everyone else is shit, you can take a few decades or even twenty to properly test something. There's a reason why everyone whines like the shortlived fucks they arebabout dwarven cannons, while their own shitty artillery blows up every six shots or so. Dwarfs got 99 problems, but lack of innovation ain't one.
Cameron Peterson
>Empire: destroyed >Imperium: exists I think the winner is clear here.
Christopher Lewis
Free People = Empire. Here you go.
Ian Richardson
I'm sorry, but when did they get tesla guns?
Asher Rivera
>The Imperium already won. They own the galaxy.
They have roughly a million worlds, a far smaller piece of the galactic pie than the Empire has of the warhamnmer world.
Kevin Howard
Sorry I was wrong. Irondrakes only have napalm launchers and rockets.
Austin Thompson
The empire doesn`t even cover an entire continent. I think cathay is bigger than the empire.
Lucas Lee
>a far smaller piece of the galactic pie than the Empire has of the warhamnmer world.
user, I don't know if you're being a retard or trolling. In case of the former, pic related are Space Marines homeworlds/fleets, as you can see, they roughly cover the entire galaxy (that white swirly thing, that's a "galaxy" user, pretty big place and our planet is in it too.)
Elijah Phillips
While pic related is the Warhammer Fantasy world. As you can see, the Empire is that teeeny tiny region in the middle top of the map. It's pretty small, huh? Kinda like 1/20th of the map.
It's hard user, but if you try hard enough you can see that the Imperium has a relatively wider coverage than the Empire. Now, I used the word "relatively" here so you wont rustle your jimmies with "but the Fantasy is just on one planet compared to a whole galaxy" argument.
Ryder Sanchez
>It's hard user, but if you try hard enough you can see that the Imperium has a relatively wider coverage than the Empire
So what? The Imperium is scattered amongst the stars while the Empire is solid territory. The Imperium controls only a million worlds, which is only a small number of worlds in the galaxy while the Empire is a sizeable nation.
Aaron Parker
The Empire don't exist anymore mate.
Brayden Cooper
Chaos Warriors are literally stronger and more skilled than Space Marines. A bunch of ordinary humans beat them even with numerical disadvantages at times. The Empire is a million times more competent than the Imperium.
Bentley Ward
OK user, let's try this again. I know you have difficulties. Let's say a planet in the Imperium is equivalent to a city in the Empire. In pic related you can see a looot of green. Green in maps usually represents forests user, green, untamed, wild forests. Geez, where would beastmen live, I wonder? If you say forests, you're right! A gold star for you! Now let's do some difficult (but rewarding) mental logic here. If beastmen live in woodland, and the Empire is COVERED with forests, that means the Empire has a real beastmen problem, huh?
Oh and see those cute little symbols all over the map user? Those are sigils of various minor states that constitutes the Empire. Yup, that solid territory infested with wild forests are also made of minor noble houses barely tolerating one another.
The Imperium is nowhere near perfect, but the Empire is much weaker and more vulnerable than the Imperium and if it weren't for their technological advantages the Empire would've been a wasteland by now.
Luis Myers
>Chaos Warriors are literally stronger and more skilled than Space Marines.
Kek, I love salty Fantasy Chaosfags getting majestically butthurt their setting gets Sigmared and their boys getting Blooded.
Andrew Rivera
>more skilled
In what regard?
Mason Robinson
>In pic related you can see a looot of green.
Much less than space and alien worlds. There are estimated to be around 100 billion planets in the milky way. The Imperium control about a million. So the Imperium has about 0.001% of the worlds of the galaxy under control. The Empire is comparatively much larger given available domain.
Blake Smith
Higher WS, BS and I.
Luis Nelson
>Let's compare stats from two games that are not meant to be compatible with one another.
user, I...
Daniel Parker
Same scale, same universe, used to cross over. There's nothing to indicate they aren't comparable. An ordinary human is S3 T3 in both games.
Daniel Wright
Most planets in 40k are void of life (and active necrons).
Space is like the sea of warhammer fantasy. There might be some islands (space hulks etc), but other than that it's no man's land with random vessels.
Xavier Gutierrez
Most of those 100 billions planets are gaz giants, rocks devoid of breathable atmosphere, balls of frozen methane, boiling metal, ect... The Imperium is 1 million inhabited worlds. Sure, some research stations on dead worlds aren't exactly well-populated but that user has the right idea :
The Imperium is truly massive in scale compared to the Empire, to the point that entire campaign are happening for years without being more than a single dot (not to scale) on the galactic map.
In comparison, most Warhammer Fantasy campaign involed whole regions of the world.
Jacob Bell
Only if you decide to go along with the end times bullshit, but since Geedubs isn't supporting the game there's absolutely no reason to do that. 6th Ed Stronk
Camden Jenkins
>The Imperium is truly massive in scale compared to the Empire
That's not what is in question though. We're talking total % of available area. The Imperium is a drop in the galactic bucket, while the Empire is a substantial area of territory in the WHFB world.
Lucas Robinson
Good to know that :
- an arquebuse can do as much damage as a bolter
- a hallebard make your average conscripted peasant as strong as a space marine in power armor while also reducing said armor's efficiency dramatically
- a wooden shield and a platemail is equal to power armor.
Cooper Peterson
Substantial territory mostly occupied by orcs, beastmen, skavens and undeads. While the Imperium mostly keeps the mutants, orks and necrons OUT of its planetary systems.
Jaxon Wood
Literally none of these follow my argument mate. I'm fucking embarrassed for you.
Camden Young
Skaven don't live in their territory but underneath it.
Tyler Moore
>mutants... OUT of its planetary systems que
Jackson Butler
You mean this argument ? >Same scale, same universe, used to cross over. There's nothing to indicate they aren't comparable.
They aren't comparable.
Unless you assume that bolters, described as basically a semi-automatic mini-rocket launcher, is slightly better than an arquebuse.
Parker Rogers
Purges are a thing, user
A few people among millions are what you might consider as "mostly kept OUT"
Noah Diaz
1 million inhabitable worlds user. out of how many there are in the galaxy?
Oliver Jackson
The Imperium is thousands of years ahead of the Tau. The Tau are literally the least advanced race in the setting, the only difference is that your average Fire Warrior gets a pulse rifle and 4+ while your average Guardsman gets a lasgun and flak vest instead of a volkite charger and artificer armour with an iron halo.
Jeremiah Torres
>how many there are in the galaxy?
Many given most species can terraform.
Charles Garcia
>A few people among millions There are plenty of Imperial worlds where mutants are even tolerated.
Hudson Ramirez
Yeah by "my argument" I mean the argument I made. Are you really this fucking dumb?
Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k don't even use the same rules for weapons and armor. You're one stupid cunt.
Isaac Powell
>ITT a bunch of fa/tg/uys getting baited by the same Fantasyfag like a bunch of newfag plebs.