Psychic powers are basically just magic right?

Psychic powers are basically just magic right?

Depends on the style and fluff.
Simple manipulation of energy and material is something possible.
But just summoning up stuff is magic.
Mind reading also magic, and so is possesion.
*True* psionics won't even necessarily manipulate matter. It would just move energy, and through that objects could experience push and drive.
Gotta be more specific OP.

Up to interpretation. I like to consider any supernatural power that wouldn't be possible in a real, mundane world to be some kind of magic, even if it obeys internally consistent rules and limitations, yes, but that's just me.

yeah

>simple manipulation of energy and material is something possible

Uh, no it ain't?

Turning water to gas is simple.

For theoretical psionics, yes.
This is Veeky Forums, a place populated with fantasy and sci-fi. Take stuff with a grain of salt.
We're talking what it is meant to be.
(Though evolution research suggests we will eventually become minds surrounded by pure energy, which is psionics at its purest. But please don't start arguing)

Depends on your definition of magic in-setting, is it a specific sub-branch of metaphysics or just a term for everything that exists outside of physics as we know it? If the former then possibly, depending on the setting and even race/civilisation, though more advanced civilisations might start noting the differences and calling them different sciences (though at that point they might just be sub-branches like leptonic and baryonic physics). If the latter then yes, it's just magic.

Psychic =/= magic
psychic powers, magic, and absurd unexplainable high technology all fall under the "supernatural"

>evolution research suggests

KEK NO IT DOESN'T, go back to /x/ with this shit

Wow the bait flows well in this one.

Yeah man, I'm totally baiting by pointing out that psychic powers are confined solely to fiction.

Also there's no such thing as "pure" energy

I'm not the user you originally responded to. But enjoy yourself.

Psychic powers like mind reading and telekinesis and such have been part of magic of magical beliefs for as long as there has been belief in magic.

This arbitrary separation of magic and psychic powers is a new thing created by people who needed to have supernatural elements in their scifi settings but did't want to call it magic.

yes and no

>In low magical settings
All supernatural is usually deemed magic

>in high magical settings.
It depends
Psychic can be a school of magic no different than conjuring or "mind"
OR
It can be separate. As magic could be manipulating the physical, and psychic is manipulating the mental.

>Though evolution research suggests we will eventually become minds surrounded by pure energy,
you watch too much scifi and don't read enough peer reviewed science papers

>This arbitrary separation of magic and psychic powers is a new thing created by people who needed to have supernatural elements in their scifi settings but did't want to call it magic.
QFT

This. It's based on the tacky new-ager crystal spiritualism vibe that created such great additions to D&D as "Psionics", "Psi crystals" and the like.

Essentially, anything your stoner grandma thinks is cool but doesn't want to call magic because that's not chill, man. Problem is a huge amount of the new-ager shit is based on existing religious concepts or occultism. IE: magic.

So Ki would be a psychic power then?

Actually, in 4e, monks were a psionic class. So, yeah, kinda.

>>This arbitrary separation of magic and psychic powers is a new thing created by people who needed to have supernatural elements in their scifi settings but did't want to call it magic.

But... that's what scifi is.
it's fantasy without magic.

warforged/golems? robots
casting fireballs? advanced hand held flamethrowers
monsters? Aliens

It's really the only difference between the two.
Something impossible happens:
-Try to explain why it's possible = Scifi
-Fuck it, who cares = magic

>evolution research suggests
fuck off no it doesn't
>B-b-but please don't start arguing
kek

>evolution research suggests we will eventually become minds surrounded by pure energy
What is pure energy