/hhg/ aka Horus Heresy General

what are the best sources of 30k battle reports?

But atomic power isn't ACTIVELY trying to kill you, it's just ambiently dangerous.

Warp energy is dangerous when handled incorrectly AND is constantly trying to corrupt you and steal your soul.

The tracked servitors and the beep boops look silly and out of place respectively, but the basic techpriests and skitarii look great.
I wish they had skitarii in 30k.

*COUGH*Titan Guard*COUGH*

Look, it is the best thing I could come up with to compare with using the warp, because irl we don't really have had beings from an alternate dimension breaking in and trying to eat everybody alright.

I don't have Titans though.
And Forge Worlds do have a non-Titan population in-between mindless automatons and thousand-year old techwizards, don't they?

well if Rune Priests are anything like runesmiths in fantasy then by trapping magic/warp power in objects it becomes pretty benign. Also Rune Priests are very stubborn and ritualized meaning that after cneturies of practising they won't develop or learn meaning they aren't tempted by power and won't stumble on darker secrets.

The thousand sons pre heresy did similar things to limit the dangers though like the enumerations, meditation and disembodiment. I think they were fairly well controlled until they were faced with total annihilation. What legion wouldn't go totally over the top faced with such a fate?

Winters SEO does some shiny ones with his Mechanicum and now he has Sons of Horus too. Geeks40k do some, and there's the new"the30kchannel" which is good if you like them long-form.

MWG has a couple of good ones but they're mostly subpar, apart from that Mitch chap who occasionally brings interesting lists along and is a good sport.

All shit. FW got the Mechanicum aesthetic just right while GW failed big time.

You don't need Titans to run Titan Guard (Otherwise known as Secutarii)

They are non-compulsory troops in any Mechanicum list (Unless you have a Titan in which case they can be compulsory troops.

They even have a HQ.

Yeah, of course. You don't need a Titan to use Titan Guard, they're still just fine without one even if FnP 5+ Rerollable is really damn good. You can use the 40k Vanguard models too, since Radium Carbines is a legit loadout, trading range for damage.

Any company make pieces to make MkII Phobos style hull HBs for a Land Raider? Chapterhouse sells one with full sponsons (don't need the sponsons) and FW kits come with the whole Land Raider (already got the hull for it). Or any good guides achieve similar things?

>Ritualized means they wont be tempted by power

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And I'm pretty sure the Tau commander Farsight is being actively influenced by a Daemon blade.

Yeah, "TSons doing sorcery was what doomed them" is bullshit. They got fucked because combined fuck ups of Magnus, Russ, Valdor and Emperor leading to assault on Prospero and Magnus damning them to save them from Wolves. Fact that they were psykers only mattered insofar that Russ disliked them/Tzeentch wanted them out of picture.

>Etherals are controlled by Tzeentch
>Farsight is Khorne fucking with Tzeentch's plans

Look, it's ok to like FW stuff, but just ignoring where GW does well established style justice, is just being an idiot.

Citadel admech is Jes Goodwin admech
FW admech is Will Rees admech

Neither are fully John Blanche.

Also Horus probably targeted them one because the distrust of psykers was the only rift he could exploit in the legions and two he knew that they'd be closest to the truth of his heresy and would probably be capable of stopping him or exposing chaos.

When modelling Hetaeron guards for custodes, would it be acceptable to
use the Sentinel Warblade with some light modifications to make it
count as a Paragon blade? What should be done to it?

Also, which power fists would fit them best to count as
Solarite Power Gauntlets?

>GW does well established style justice
By making models that look like they're from a saturday morning cartoon? Ok.

Sekhmet would be undercosted as fuck even if they didn't have two fucking wounds, the sheer power and flexibilty of their legion rules is insane, Blade Cult is probably the best power-armored unit in the game, the disadvantages of Guard are negligible and all their characters are amazingly good.

>[strawmaning intensified]

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>Neither are fully John Blanche.

Nothing will ever be...

>Blade Cult is probably the best power-armored unit in the game
They are slow while needing to charge, squishy while needing full unit, rely on a lucky roll to be truly strong and are not that good against 2+/vehicles.

I think that they are balanced specialist unit.

>Guard is fine when you are not abusing Magnus/Sekhmet spam though.
So, it's Guard of the Crimson King is fine when you're actively trying to not Guard of the Crimson King too hard.
Sekhmets should have witchpowers and their termie equipment and be done with it, not have 2W on top of it.

GW AdMech models look like some third-party knockoffs. FW Mechanicum looks like the real deal. In the last 10 years or so GWs model design has gone down the drain hard.

As a TS player it actually makes me mad a bit how fucking cost effective Sekhmet are. I love the profile, and if you upped the cost I'd still play them, but as it stands there is basically no reason to bring generic termies in a TS list (GotCK or not) unless you REALLY want the heavy weapons or maybe volkite termies or something.

And I love the idea of volkite termies

I think that it goes beyond that. They are just sold unit. They are really tanky with base 2w3(4)++, really mobile with Levitation and free deepstrike in GotCK, decently chopy with force axes and cheap power/chainfists, decently shooty with cheap plasma and then they get another psychic power, Stuborn and two charges as well.

On top of which, they are also cheap. Like, there is no downsides to them.

Exactly. I mean, they're so good base you can easily do whatever the fuck you want with what gear and cult you give them and it'll be hard to have a bad unit. They're as durable as IF SS termies, while being shootier and potentially even punchier, PLUS they have ML2 which can do anything from make them punchier, give them more shooting, make them faster, more durable, etc.

And thusly I have decided to run Brethren of Iron because of that one time the Pyrae guy brought a bunch of beep beps to Shrike in A Thousand Sons.

Also because I like boops.

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, especially with that choice in image.

destructors look like the terrible shit people like scibor have been pumping out for years

That's good to hear. I like the idea of tech-priests who aren't so ancient and arcane as to not have any peers, and the idea of Forge Worlds who like their soldiers to have independent intelligence and not rely entirely on programming.

Would've Russ have listened if Magnus called surrender and asked to be presented in front of big E?

Speaking of TS and AdMech, how are those new Castellax? They seem really strong in melee, but they are also really immobile. I'm guessing that getting a plasma cannon and then guarding something while chucking shoots down the table is the play?

I doubt it, since he was literally there to kill Magnus. because Horus told him to do it

The entire Horus Heresy was an extravagent ploy by Tzeentch to seal his "ur soul is now mine xd" deal with Magnus. Discuss.
>Magnus never would have turned to Tzeentch if Prospero wouldn't have burned
>Russ wouldn't have burned if Horus never told him to
>Horus never would have told him to if he didn't suspect Magnus knew of his betrayal
>Horus never would have betrayed the Imperium if he wasn't corrupted by Chaos
>Chaos never would have corrupted Horus if it hadn't already corrupted Lorgar and the WB
>The WB never would have been corrupted if Monarchia never happened
>Monarchia never would have happened if Lorgar wasn't a religious cunt
>Lorgar wouldn't have been a religious cunt if he didn't grow up on Colchis
>Lorgar wouldn't have grown up on Colchis if the Chaos Gods hadn't S U C C ed the primarches into the warp
>The Primarchs wouldn't have been made without the Chaos Gods help
>Tzeentch (or at least the portion of Tzeentch that is Fateweaver) can see the future, and so could have seen that, if he did all this, he'd have an incredibly potent mortal servent

Vanguards are sexy, but generally I agree the AdMech/Skitarii line could have been less cartoony and more 'cybernetic-abomination'.

In what ways?

I dunno, it seems it'd be a lot easier to just take baby Magnus home than scatter the inphant primarchs across the stars in hopes it will somehow spark a galactic civil war that eventually leads to one guy following me.

Then again, over complicated and seemingly pointless is right up Tzeentch's alley

I agree to an extent, I think they're some of the best models from GW in years (aside from Slambo, of course) but certain bits are just a little too cartoony.

Don't get me wrong, over the top unrealness os exactly why I love warhammer, but something more menacing, or that just looks like that Blanch-style... wrongness is definitely preferable.

Take the Infiltrators for example, they look way too pit droidish and not posthuman gritty enough. But that's just my opinion, I think stuff like the Dominus, Ruststalkers, and Kataphrons nailed it. But a blend between Skitarii and Tech-Thralls would be sex beyond imagination

>Take the Infiltrators for example, they look way too pit droidish and not posthuman gritty enough.
I agree. They would be more menacing without robes disguising how warped their frames ar, and with a head that made them look human beneath it all, like the basic techpriests and skitarii do. They have the opportunity to make spooky-looking heads for them that are brains inside metal skulls with wires everywhere, but instead they make it look like a droid from star wars.

What would represent Prosperine Spire Guard better: Solar Auxilia, Militia Cults or a mix?

One vote for Militia. Specially because SA infantry only carry lasguns, axes, or volkites.

I'd reckon good ol' Warrior Elite + Survivors of the Dark Age.

I'm kind of taking a liking to the iron warriors, but I'm not too hot about the paint scheme. Anybody have a good alternate scheme that's more than just "drybursh silver, add hazard stripes"?

You could try swapping the relationship between the silver and the gold?
Or you could put more black into it than normal, basically have them be black with silver and gold trimming, rather than silver with black and gold trimming.

Finished my primus medicae.

I think I'm getting better at freehanding, I used to be super scared to do it.

Good freehand, especially on the right.
Nice model too. Where did the vents on the back come from? They really make it work.

That you know of

it's a grave warden torso with standard cataphractii legs.

Looks good anyway. What are you using the GW legs for?

My next model will be a chaplain (probably) with warden legs and justaerin torso.

Sounds like a great opportunity for third party bits

I'd have liked to see more exposed flesh crudely connected to augmentations.

Skitarii in various novels are described as quite barbaric or tribal in appearance, I'd have liked to see something closer to catachans or chaos marauders, with cybernetics and weapons permanantly grafted to their bodies.

I think the full suits and robes look detracts from this a bit. If you replaced the Skitarii's robo-legs, you could pass them off as advanced Imperial Guard, they don't look very augmented. Exposed heads with antenna and visors bolted into the flesh would have been better, imo.

Good. Blanche looks like shit in 3D.

Don't you mean Thanatars?
>Named after Thanatos, the god of good and peaceful deaths
>Dying to a wave of cover-rerolling plasma is a peaceful death for the Mechanicum

guys, my friend is starting sons of horus. what Row would best go with them? the SOH specific ones tend to be redundant if you go special character heavy, which as big fluff nerds we usually build are armies that way, so is there a generic one thatd go well with it?

no, the psychic soulblaze plasma castellax

Darker base color?

lil legends models are too shiny no matter what they are

Anything Drop Pods.

Orbital Assault, Angel's Wrath, and even Drop Assault Vanguard all do well at dumping into enemy territory and getting everything ready for massive attacks turn 2-3.

Remember SoH rules are very situational, so take advantage of where to use them and you'll find it's insanely hard to beat. The one downside is if rolls don't go your way it's just a shooting gallery as your forces slowly trickle in, ultimately getting wiped turn 3-4

2/10 not tabletop standard.

UM for my diorama. It's still WIP.

The guy's nuts in the best possible way. He's joined the Age of Darkness podcast and I like his contributions there too.

yes they are very well painted but I just don't like the shininess

Blanche's art is good simply as inspiration. I wouldn't want them to actually model shit accurately to his art though.

Viable concept art it ain't.

Extreme color modulation. I don't like it either. But to each their own.

>assault nipples
TRIGGERED

thanks for the advice.

>be sanguinius
>go in to solo Horus despite knowing you'll fail
>get killed for nothing

??????

It's implied he thought he could still convince Horus to go back.

I love that chest decal, even though there is paint on one edge.

Started on the Sekhmet termies before the force swords arrive. Didn't realise how deep the heads fit into the carapace, decided to paint them separately. Had to convert the combi-weapon melta.

No, he merely stumbled upon Horus.
Must I remind you Sanguinius, Dorn, the Emperor and their respective elite guards deepstruck together but the Vengeful Spirit scrambled them upon entry?

Sekhmets in Tartaros? Glad you're not a 2W3++ user

Why didn't they teleport a bomb aboard?

Scrambled on entry.

Both sides thought they could persuade the other.

>you being that much of an idiot.

Cataphractii doesn't really suit them since it is more Roman inspired than egyptian, whilst tartaros looks like a scarab bettle and has smooth monumetal legs like a statue.

Because Warhammer teleportation follows reverse rules of Terminator's time traveling rules.
You can't transport inorganics unless they have fleshy insides
>I'm a terminator. A tactical dreadnought armour exoskeleton with a posthuman endoskeleton. I feel no fear. I feel no remorse. I cannot be reasoned with. I cannot be bargained with. My mission is to find my target. That's what I do. That's all I do
>THERE YOU ARE! Shutting down...

Not kickass enough for 40k.
Now, the question "Why didn't the Emperor simply pilot Terra into the Vengeful Spirit" makes more sense.

>+1W, ML2(Brotherhood), a force weapon and shredding bolters cost +5pts over additional termies, while extra Tyrants cost +50pts each
Disregard that, I'm triggered still.

>Why didn't the Emperor simply pilot Terra into the Vengeful Spirit
Because Mortarion's ship was already ramming the planet, pinning it in place.

Fucking Morty, if only Autek was there, we could have piloted Luna into the Vengeful Spirit.

In Fear To Tread Sanguinius has a premonition of the Emperor fighting Horus without Sang softening Horus up first. Horus won.

I feel there has to be a connection between Autek's attack moon, the Battle of Rust and Ork attack moons.
Maybe they both draw from Orkane lore?

do terminator marines even give a shit about nukes going off if its not right in their face?

how much force does a nuke really have to tear hardened things apart with just its blast wave? knocking down shitty civilian houses isnt the same as hitting military structures

granted the ship would have been fucked but going there personally gave emps the change to whip horus from the entire time continuum with mind bullets

also because of the circumstances both parties guessed they wanted to meet face to face. horus dropped the shields on purpose because he knew Big E would come instead of just teleporting bombs

AoS is good.

>going on the internet and telling lies
WhatDoYouHopeToGain.jpg

Where's the needle pistol?

it's essentially just 7th ed 40k, personally I think both are pretty bad but WHFB was a lot worse.

>angle 5 dogs at 45 degrees
Much tactics, very intellectual, wow.