Is it even possible to be intimidated by a female villain? I've yet to see a single evil woman done well. It's almost always just a woman pretending to be a dude and it's laughable. Nothing about women is intimidating, no matter how much spiky armor or out-of-place muscles you put on her.
How does one make a good female villain?
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I'm not even gonna give you a (you). Just shut up stupid.
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here's a (you)
Nice try. You lost the subtly later on though. Still, a REALLY good effort.
I would say by removing sexuality or utterly doubling down on it in a weird or creepy way. Ma-Ma from Dredd strikes me as a good example.
Yeah that's a fair point Mama was a pretty good BBEW.
OP has clearly never been divorced...
even better if you can make it a case of 'I know she's evil but I'd probably still hit it' (pic related, for me anyway)
wackity smackity doo
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You said female. She could be a female, of a gigantic monster race.
R63 this guy.
>Is it even possible to be intimidated by a female villain?
Ruthless masterminds.
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>Nevertheless Empress Dowager Lü had an assassin force venom down Liu Ruyi's throat....She then had Concubine Qi's limbs chopped off, blinded her by gouging out her eyes, cut off her tongue and locked her in the latrine, and called her a "Human Swine" (人彘).
You would probably have more fun just discussing a given topic than calling things bait even if they are
>Is it even possible to be intimidated by a female villain?
I detest 3D women as much as the next guy, but you're being a major faggot here. Yes, women are weak and incompetent, but if a maffia movie can make an old and borderline senile man intimidating then doing the same to a woman shouldn't be too difficult. A good female villain uses the most powerful weapon women have available to them: men. Alternatively: vagina.
Basically this. Female villains aren't physically intimidating - They have to be dangerous in other ways, but it's very hard to take a woman threatening to kick your ass seriously.
Like, an evil sorceress is a threat because of her vast magical powers, and an evil Queen has a lot of political clout. An evil swordswoman just doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
What about an evil sniper woman? We had one stalking us in a game, she was basically a giant werebat so could echolocate and pull off amazing shots while hanging from under a bridge or something.
just make them like yo mama
I think he meant physically intimidating. It's her unique skills that make her dangerous not just her imposing raw strength.
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I can't tell if this is sarcasm, bait or genuine autism.
Well sort of both, I mean in this case she could be a big nasty bat with more strength than anyone in the party and a good deal bigger.
Yeah that's different, but I think OP was meant Human or near human characters for the most part. A fantasy race can be intimidating regardless of gender because their different.
Yeah, but that's because you're fighting a monster. If we're talking about a werebat, it's the gigantic bat-shaped killing machine that's worrying.
The woman herself isn't physically intimidating, it's the sniper rounds to the head that are the problem.
A rule of thumb: if you can read all of it unironically and it still makes sense, it's probably not sarcasm.
Got a thing for cripples ?
>The woman herself isn't physically intimidating, it's the sniper rounds to the head that are the problem
the guy you're dueling isn't intimidating, getting stabbed with a giant sword is
that sounds cool as shit
Lad are you even trying?
Threaten the players with castration
Take the bitch from The Goonies and don't play it for laughs.
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To paraphrase certain dead faggot - sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
And it doesn't need to be sheer incompetence, perhaps just critical misunderstanding of some vital circumstance that turns genuine well-meaning effort into a whole lot of harm.
You know, like pic related.
Or Frau Merkel.
Don't forget a handful of freakishly strong, deformed progeny.
Was only intimidating due to the male character's compromised physical state. If he had been healthy he would have walked out of her house immediately.
Had one in a game I ran. Small, unassuming, unimposing, but yet remained intimidating and scary because she had influence, power, and a mean streak. And was kind of creepy in that smirk-and-glower sort of way.
So here's a (you), faggot.
Artemisia I of Caria.
Aside from being an all around evil pirate queen and mercenary, anyone who can betray Xerxes during the pivotal battle of the Persian invasion of Greece and sill manage to convince him afterwards that she was the hero of the battle deserving of rich reward is a force to be reckoned with.
Man, a Dredd serie with Urban and Rookie waifu can't come soon enough.
Was still intimidating, but since I've been told I guess I'll just shut the fuck up then.
Apollyon was pretty good.
>husband is killed by the Drevilans who then send an enjoy to convince Olga to marry their prince
>buried them alive
>sends word that she will marry the prince but requires an escort of distinguished men
>locked them in a bathhouse and burned it to the ground
>invites the Drevilans over to her husband's funeral
>her soldiers kill over 5000 of their soldiers
>lays siege, when the Drevilans beg for mercy she asks for 3 pigeons and 3 sparrows from each household so as to not burden the villagers
>Ties thread to the pigeons and sulfur to the sparrows and lets them return home to roost
>burns the city to the ground, murders those who manage to escape the flames, enslaves those who manage to survive being murdered
>conquers a bunch of forts around Kiev
>led the first legal reform in recorded European history, changed the system of tribute (this system is what incited the Drevilans to murder her husband by the way) such that instead of tribe leaders managing the transfer of tribute to the regent, instead representatives of the regent go out and ensure correct tribute is dispersed
>held regency for 18 years util her son was fit to become king
>decided Christianity was her thing and converted, her conversion efforts led her to be canonized as a Saint
>Resided as regent while her son was off fighting wars and simultaneously raised her grandson
Saint Olga is my historical waifu
As pointed out, she was still intimidating. What you're missing in your flood of "b-b-b-b-b-b-b-b-but!!!"s is the abstract: that she was intimidating because she had power over the protagonist and so there were few brakes on her malevolence. There are infinite ways to replicate that in a ttrpg.
> Best remembered for brutality and vengefulness
> Declared a saint
Oh, russian orthodox church, you never cease to amaze. By the way, do you know that it's official position on Ivan the Terrible is still "He was a good boy who dindu nuffin, and he definetly did not kill his son"?
>dredd 2 never
Gonna have to agree with this. Other notable bbew that were done right.
>Artemisia from 300 2
>the queen from snow white, the Disney animated version
>Literally any bbew that is secretly a monster in human form
That's all I can think of atm but there's more, it's legitimately hard to do.
>Is it even possible to be intimidated by a female villain?
Sure, but no human or human like females.
>3 pigeons and 3 sparrows
>string and sulfur
What? How was this supposed to help unburden villagers? How were they supposed to get 3 of each anyway? The fuck was the thread and sulfur supposed to be for?
What?
???
Never played Metal Gear Solid eh?
she was a good villain but she wasn't intimidating.
Welp, that's the type of villain that needs some justice to be delivered to her.
Imagine having one of the PCs captured by a villain like this.
The fuck are you smoking? She was THE cqc master, that's intimidating as fuck.
I'm pretty sure that when the birds went back to their homes to roost they did something that burned the place to the ground.
Okay. Imagine the dude starts off as perfectly fit and healthy.
She shatters his knee with a hammer, and now he can't walk faster than a hobble.
Is she still "only intimidating due to the male character's compromised physical state", even if she is directly responsible for that state? Having a penis doesn't make you immune to having your bones broken.
> CTRL+F "Azula"
> No results
You're not even trying
How about this one?
Well I haven't looked it up but as far as I know sulfur + thread (of any type) does not equal combustion.
Nothing intimidating about her at all. Everytime she opened her mouth I just got irritated.
idk who this is, sorry.
Never heard of Ghazkhull Mag Uruk Thraka user?
Never heard of Ilsa She-Wolf Of The SS?
Never heard of Erzbet Bathory?
Never heard of Boudicea?
I will never forgive the shit marketing team behind Dredd for basically ensuring that it would never do well at the box office. Dredd is up there with John Wick for best action movie of the last five years and basically no one saw it in theaters because so much of the advertising was trying to profit on the last gasps of the 3D fad.
>The Boss wasn't intimidating
She had everyone by the balls, including some of the most dangerous men on the planet. She also kicks the shit out Naked Snake at every point they meet.
Out of all the boss fights in MGS3, nothing freaked me out more than the Boss bursting out of nowhere in a field of white flowers to beat the shit out of you, only to disappear as quickly.
Came to this thread for Ma-Ma, wasn't dissapointed
when the character is actually given control, The Boss is one of the easiest bosses in the game. As soon as we aren't forced to be afraid of her through cheap narrative cut-scenes, she becomes an easy foe.
Majority of the female cast fall in the category of intimidating women.
Except for Frederica and minimaid, those are 2cute.
Black Lagoon is packed with terrifying women, but Balalaika is the queen
sounds like a ripoff of a genghis exploit
If that was the big bad on my game I'm not sure if I would hate her or love her
>genghis exploit
I may be stupid but, again, what?
Sorry
I thought Frieza was a women for the longest time and that didn't make him and less intimidating.
>Nothing intimidating about her at all. Everytime she opened her mouth I just got irritated.
If a psychopath that shoots lightning and doesn't have to consider any kind of consequences doesn't intimidate you, you're doing it wrong.
People don't fear cows even though cows could easily murder them if they wanted to, but there are plenty of people who lose their shit when they see a wasp that doesn't really pose a thread but is willing to hurt you.
>she was a intimidating but she wasn't a villain.
You got that one backwards, m8.
"In one aprocryphal account circulated to create anxiety among the enemy, the Mongols supposedly promised to retreat from a besieged city if the Jurched defenders would give them a large number of cats and birds as booty. According to the story, the starving residents eagerly gathered the animals and gave them to the Mongols. After receiving all the birds and animals, the Mongols attached burning torches and banners to their tails and released them, whereupon the frightened animals raced back into the city and set it on fire." - Jack Weatherford, Genghis Khan and the Making of the Morden World
Cruella, Ursala, Malificent, the step mother from Cinderella, Baba Yaga....
>Artemisia from 300 2
What about Artemisia from The Histories?
She personally commanded the second-best Persian division at Salamis, where ordered her ship to ram another on her side (though not one of her Carians) so she wouldn't get boxed in by the Athenians.
Xerxes thought she had rammed a Greek boat, so she got away with it too.
She lost that fight on purpose though.
>Skinny blonde milf showing her cleavage
>Intimidating
Not actually a man eh?
I bet you wouldn't be intimidated as she burned you to a crisp with magic fire and lighning.
You are so manly. user.
I just want her to sit on my face.
Something something because he's a man he'd dodge/parry/otherwise not get hurt something something.
Honestly, this thread is the worst kind of bait.
Saging so as not to bump.
Okay, see you made it make sense. I guess my sense of immersion wasn't strong to begin with because I didn't actually immerse myself in the show, since errbody else in it was throwing around magic too, the idea that her using lightning still didn't seem all that special.
Couple that with, again, how annoying it was hearing her talk, just removed all possibility to view her as intimidating.
That sounds fucking awesome
Elisabeth Bathory, off the top of my head
Pretty sure I could rape Elizabeth Báthory.
It's only misogynist because you made it that way, faggot. Everyone else is a magical twat in that series, she's a magical twat too. AND annoying. And yeah, if I'm burning to a crisp, I'm not intimidated. I'm screaming in pain. Fear is gone once the pain starts, and if the fight starts with her being annoying, again, not intimidating. Take your strawman back to the fucking cornfield you simpleton
>As soon as we aren't forced to be afraid of her through cheap narrative cut-scenes
That's a bit unfair to call the narrative "cheap" when most of the story telling is done through the cut scenes. What about it is cheap? We're shown exactly what we need to know about her character.
>she becomes an easy foe
Considering she was at the very end of the game, I don't consider her fight that easy. She was probably the easiest to get a non lethal victory for considering how often you got the chance to CQC her, I'll give you that. None of the boss fights in MGS3 were very difficult save maybe the End until you figured out his patterns(or just fucking snipe him out of his wheelchair). Either way, it's not exactly fair to judge a character's depth based on their difficulty in game, especially in a game with variant difficulty levels. If you think the final fight with the Boss was just "this is another bad guy I have to beat", then I think you missed the point of her story arc.
I'm sure I could do the same to you ;)
She's most likely in the same bag as Joan of Arc, all reported "atrocities" were made up by political rivals to dispose of her and the only real offense actually committed was taking up man's job in era that wouldn't have any of that.
But if we go by her version of folk tales and legend, she's terrifying alright.
Sure, I'm not particularly tough and so you probably wouldn't find me very intimidating.
How could you find someone you could probably rape intimidating?
I'll never forgive the whole drokking team that made Dredd for the relentless profanity going UNPUNISHED by Dredd. Use of Non-Justice Department approved expletives carry a mandatory sentence of 30 days in an Iso-Cube creep.
.... did I miss something here?
Joan of Arc.
The Drevilans asked what he terms of surrender were, and she demanded they give her those things. When they did, she used them to burn the city to the ground and kill everyone. Because fuck those guys, mirite?
Not really, I just pointing out if you can rape someone it's hard to find them intimidating.
The intimidation doesn't come from the ability to hurt you alone, but from the willingness to hurt you also.
Azula's mere presence is intimidating because she enjoys exploiting the power and the status that shields her from any kind of retribution to cause suffering to the people around her.
Lolth.
Sure, you might not THINK she sounds all that scary, but when you are completely incapacitated from the strands of the Daemonweb Pits and spiders are crawling all over your body and into every orifice, and no one can hear you scream...
Yeah, she's pretty spooky.
I have played evil wizards before. When you get into the mindset of someone who doesn't value the living, you lose the ability to be affected by another one of a hundred thousand characters who "Can kill you in the blink of an eye and don't care"
Someone shows up and blows my ass up I'm dead. Don't care. All that power can only kill me. Death isn't scary. It's comin anyway. She isn't scary. She comes off as fucking insecure cause she has to yell at everyone all the time. Sounds like she's one stroke from bursting into tears
cause nobody hugged her as a child.
Okay, we're getting closer. Sulfur still isn't a combustible though, is it?
I'm not sure I agree. Deities by their nature are already intimidating in that they have entire civilizations dedicated to making sure they don't get pissed off. I'm not necessarily saying you're wrong, but Lolth is more of a force of nature than an actual character.
Spiders are spoopy. Do deities (or those indistinguishable from) really matter what physical sex they are represented by though? An incomprehensibly powerful being sends spiders down your throat it really wouldn't factor in that it also has a vagina (or some other physical attribute regarded as female)
Amanda Waller, from DC Comics comes into mind. That bitch has always a trick up to her sleeve.
Welp, sounds like you reject the concept of intimidation altogether.
>Do deities (or those indistinguishable from) really matter what physical sex they are represented by though?
I think so.
Being recognisably female typically makes things much less intimidating.
Well, yeah, but she kinda falls into "man with tits" category.