Who is worst Primarch?

>inb4 abaddon the armless

MAGNUS DID NOTHING WRONG.

That's because GW's writers have lost what little grasp on the lore they had (see Fenris' "pure warp soul").

None of the Daemon primarchs should ever make an appearence in 40k, with he possible exception of Angron, since he's effectively just a bunch of Bloodthirsters taped together.

>his inability to ever lose making him a boring character
>nearly decapitated by Fulgrim
>forced into stasis for 10,000 years
>never loses

When russ first attacked prospero, magnus could have easily fucked up the yiffs before they could have reached the planet, but choose not to
When magnus and russ were 1v1ing magnus was holding back
You know how bullshit GW is with the lore
Look at "pure warp soul of fenris" for example

>here son, I'm genetically engineering you to have witch powers
>your witch powers are super powerful
>I have similar powers and I use them all the time, and I'm awesome.
>don't use them tho

>"D-Defeats don't count if I don't like the lore."

TSfags getting desperate.

Magnus is Tzeentch's bitch these days, just like he always was.

Magnus aint do nothing

Andl lemon is in the warp and probably a giant wolf
Literally all the primarchs are autistic manchildren prove me wrong

Never disputed that.
The fact is, Magnus story was done. There is no reason for him to bother with the material realm at all.
When he does, it's almost alwayssome hack writer needing material for their wolf wankery (see Battle for the Fang, where 1 Runepriests outmackigs the entire TS legion INCLUDING MAGNUS and 1 Bloodclaw wrecks an entire squad of rubrics, including a sorcerer).

Daily reminder that Lion Elf's Jhonson is STILL hiding from his chapter, right under their noses, and pouting like a little baby.

Other Primarch's died, or finally bit off more than they could chew, but him? Nine THOUSAND year sulk fest. FFS not even Konrad, emo fuck that he was, was not that big a man-baby.

>FFS not even Konrad, emo fuck that he was, was not that big a man-baby.
Implying Konrad wouldn't have done exactly that if he had only thought of it.

You mean besides revenge? Or Tzeentch telling him to do it? Daemon Primarchs are rare, not nonexistent

Don't forget Corax whooped his ass at holographic miniature wargaming until Guilliman got gud.

Magnus' lore has always been that of a man utterly broken by fate. He knows that while the wolves might have been the instrument, his downfall was entirely orchestrated by Tzeentch, down to the Rubric.
He knows that revenge would be pointless and that the Imperium is perfectly capable of going down the shitter wthout his help. So he spends most of his time in his tower, staring into the warp to see how things might have turned out differently.
Same goes for most of his sorcerers, Ahriman's cabal being the notable exception.

Up until recently, him being obsessed with revenge has been the squarelly in the domain of mediocre SW novels, who feel their protags are too kewl to only take on roque sorcerers.

Nice headcanon.

He was made a psyker so he could sit on the golden throne.

Imagine if you had to painstakingly make a clone with the powers of Superman, because you needed Superman's heat vision to power a device that would keep the galaxy from exploding. So you tell your son, look, don't fly around punching things. And then he does that and destroys the galaxy saving machine.

And you dumbasses defend that shit.

Oh, you're that kind of user.
Should have said so earlier; would have saved me a lot of typing.

>Spends thousands of years as a literal daemon living in hell
>Serves the literal god of change
>"H-His character will always remain stagnant, user."

Nurgle please.

Daemon Princes are not bound to the the willof the gods the way normal daemons are.
Admittedly Tzeentch can probably force Magnus to do his bidding in some matter (never really explained in the lore), but to my knowledge it was never really mentioned.

Magnus getting involved in 40k is a cheap way to up the stakes, with some shuddy lore clamped on afterwards to justify it, same with Rowboat returning.

Nope, it's different user. You are projecting your headcanon on Fagnus.

>Daemon Princes are not bound to the the willof the gods the way normal daemons are.

Yes, they are. They are part of the god and everything they do from now on is in his service.

And stop headcanoning.

One bloodclaw wrecking a unit of rubics can happen in game

Rubrics are such trash

>"Magnus should be in moping in his tower forever."

Fuck that. It's bad lore, and it's boring. Tzeentch would get tired of unchanging emo and give him a feathery boot up the ass if nothing else.

Also Khorne Daemonkin explicitly call daemon prince-hood an eternity of slavery.

>Also Khorne Daemonkin explicitly call daemon prince-hood an eternity of slavery.
That's because GWs new writers don't do their homework.

>Fuck that. It's bad lore, and it's boring.
No, it was aconscious decision to sever the ties between 30k and 40k, to emphasize the decline in scale and grandeur that had taken place in between.

How did he lose on Fenris?

Did you just rip text from a WHFB army book?

Yeah, why?
Are you one of the idiots that insists that things work differently btween the two?

But isn't that why Abbadon doesn't want to be a daemon prince, so he's not a slave to the gods?
Instead he tries to bind demons into people and Orks so he can have an army of crazy possessed.

I'm honestly not sure why Abbadon doesn't ascend.
I assume its something similar to Archaon; the chosen of all Four must be mortal.
Besides, if the gods really wanted to screw him over, what difference would him being mortal make?

> "Daemon Princes retain much of their individuality and independence."
>This somehow means their gods, who gave them their power and can take it away, can't boss them around.

Reading comprehension, user.

>Muh lost grandeur

Guess what? It's time for the apocalypse, everyone who's anyone is going to be there. Even a scrub like Magnus.

Daemonhood means the loss of their freewill. See Be'lakor.

He didn't loose his free will, he is simply not powerful enough to defeat the Big Four.

He's explicitly acting on behalf of one or another without realizing it. An unwitting pawn in the Great Game.

Read his dataslate. Be'lakor has no freewill. He is slave to the Chaos Gods and their game but he doesn't know it.

Only because they are more powerful than him, not because he is automatically subserviant.
He can and has rebelled against them in the past.

Demon princes have the illusion of free will but they are ultimately slaves to the will of their gods, its why Abaddon and Archaon never accepted demonhood as it would mean sacrificing their personal goals for an eternity of slavery.

by that definitions they are still slaves though, since the gods can withdraw their blessing the moment they go against their will.

Abaddon can handle himself without the Warp.

See: Cadia, Fall of

>>Taken down by the Space Yiffs and Grey Knights five seconds after Khorne punched through his faggy "everything-proof" shield

Wait, did Khorne actually intervene in the war for Fenris on the side of the Imperium because he hates Magnus that much? That's fucking hilarious

Sure and it would suck but it would leave Abaddon unchanged, less powerful without legions of demons but he would still have the same goals and the same personality. Demon Princes on the other hand CANT go against the will of the gods, even Be'lakor is a pawn in the great game and he's probably the most powerful and 'independent' prince.

Something to do with the Khornate axe the Logan Grimmnar has.

>Demon Princes on the other hand CANT go against the will of the gods
Again, they CAN defy their patrons.
It will lead to them getting their heads kicked in, but they have the capability to rebel, unlike normal daemons.

Daemons can rebel against gods and be exiled see: Kha'Bandha and Masque.

Pretty sure the Masque was just Slaanesh throwing a tantrum, not sure about Kha'Bhanda.
He the one who got his wings ripped to shreds?

He tried to overthrow Khorne.

Consiously or simply because he was raging at the time?

You mean Skarbrand.

FoC, IIRC, says that Abaddon is as strong with the Chaos as he is without them.

According to WHFB daemon army book, the Chaos Gods allow the Greater Daemons independence and free action to the point of rebellion because everything they do ultimately serves the will of the god.

>He the one who got his wings ripped to shreds?
No that was Skarbrand. He attacked Khorne and got his shit kicked in. Still that was just one of th Blood God's Moods manifesting itself. It's not like he could have usurped him anyways.
In the end Khorne was pleased proven by the fact the Skarbrand still kills in multiple realities.

There's no denying Magnus was a genius when it came to the arcane. That's what he was born to do, the Emperor's Sorcerer, the poster boy for the Emperor's eventual 'psykers are not bad they are our ultimate destiny' stick, except as you said, Magnus got tricked by Tzeentch (Magnus' towering pride - which ironically enough parallels his father's own - did not help).

Magnus was actually one of Emps' more-favored sons, at least prior to Nikaea. And even after Nikaea, Emps still hoped to reconcile with Magnus eventually, as shown when Magnus emerged from the ruins of the Imperial Webway the Emperor not only recognized him but also, and to quote "...the sight broke his heart."

If it weren't for the Istvaan V Drop Site Massacre, I believe Russ and the Wolves would be receiving as astropathic distress signal that Fenris was under attack, and upon arriving they'd find V Legion ships in orbit and White Scars scouring the settlements. And when Russ and the VI descend to the surface and their fleet prepares to engage, surprise, surprise, Bucephalus emerges from the Warp accompanied by an attendant fleet, Emps ordering the VI Legion fleet to stand down before descending to the surface accompanied by Khan and the Custodians. And when he confronts Russ...

"Father, what is..."

"KNEEL."

"Father?"

"KNEEL."

Against their will, the Space Wolves are crushed to their knees, Russ being the last to fall, falling on all fours before shakily raising his head in disbelief to stare at the Emperor in shock and betrayal, while Khan looks on with a veiled expression of satisfaction.

In your little head canon there, why is the Emperor censuring one of his... if not (arguably) most loyal Son?

Because he blew the one chance to MAYBE contain the warprift under Terra?

Not sure how Big E is on Fenris though...

>tries to mimic the Lorgar shit on Russ

Pathetic

Simple,He wanted magnus brought back to Terra so he could fix THE MASSIVE HOLE HE TORE IN THE IMPERIAL WEBWAY. WHICH HE COULDN'T DO IF HE WAS DEAD.

>If the Horus Heresy hadn't happened my shitty headcannon would've instead.

If Horus hadn't been about to get his heresy on he never would've ordered Russ to burn Prospero.

learn2lore

FAIR ENOUGH

The Horus Heresy Black Library writers all hate the Emperor and the Imperium so I wouldn't doubt they'd write the Emperor as poorly as that.

You burnt my world, Father?
>Yes, you tried to kill Magnus
I was tricked by Horus, Father, he manipulated me and changed your grim-dark arrest warrant to a grim-dark death sentence, I could not have known
>Regardless, I'm still going to burn your world and kill your people
Father, I'm really not to blame here, and have you considered your poor parenting techniques are what caused half of your sons to go traitor?
>I can't hear you, Boy, I'm slaying native Fenrisians

Losing to Fulgrim was before the Wardian GW writers took over

Rest assured he will get his revenge on Fulgrim

>nearly decapitated by Fulgrim
Let's be fair, Fulgrim is pretty good at decapitating Primarchs.

No, they're just very good at killing MEQ's that aren't in cover while acting as psychic batteries for your powerhouse Sorcerers.

The problem is that there are better MEQ killers and Horrors do the psychic battery thing far better, so it's usually better to just go with the specialists rather than the all-rounder.

It's similar to the Defiler problem, really.

Proving that even immortal Primarch daemon-sorcerers are cowardly bitches, Magnus (with some assistance from the Blue Scribes) devised a warding that was essentially god-mode. Khorne found this unmanly as fuck, so when Logan hit Magnus with his reforged Khornate axe it ripped through his shield like tissue paper. From there it took the Grey Knights all of a few seconds to banish him.

Magnus BTFO.

>implying Curze didnt want to die

Corvus Corax is a pretty faggy character

I always liked Khorne.

Then again I'm a meleefag who hates casters. If only I didn't hate red and like blue

Honestly, the Emperor wasn't around enough to treat his sons as sons. They grew to adulthood without him, I think saying he was their father at all may have been a mistake from the start. Treating them like adults and generals and giving their home planets more credit may have helped there.

>they're just very good at killing MEQ's that aren't in cover
Outperformed by cheaper units armed with Plasma, and their effectiveness drops sharply as soon as any sort of Cover or Invulnerable save is involved.

>acting as batteries
150 points for 1 WC is dog shit, even if the alternative of Pink Horrors didn't exist.

The problem with current rubrics is that they're shitty sorcerers. The squad psyker should be 2W and ML2 with access to the all important Spell Familiar. The issue with how expensive Rubrics are is that you have to buy hundreds of points of Rubrics and Scarab Occult, and then you still have to spend hundreds of points buying HQ psykers that are actually good at casting and likely to randomly generate some of the good spells. Tzeentch Discipline still being fucked doesn't help either.

30k era world eaters say hi

ADB would do it for sure.

Considering that Slaanesh is still around and moving in 40k, yes.

He could've not known it was redundant.
Also warp storms blocked astropaths.

He was in a situation were he had to break the edict.

Except all he did was make everything a million times worse by confining the Emperor to Terra for the duration of the war to fight the endless tide of daemons he unleashed.

Also, he was already breaking the edict long before sending his message.

After said son willfully drove away the most useful and otherwise loyal son? And genocide a planet for it?
Russ fucked up big time. Not Curze level but quite close regarding the fallout.

All he did was obey the Warmaster, who had literally been given leave to speak with the Emperor's voice by the Big E himself.

Great game. The four constantly fuck each other over.

And ignoring a direct command of the emperor for it.

What's with the nipple horns on Magnus?

>The Emperor, enraged, did not listen, and banished Magnus from his sight. He then ordered Horus to unleash the Space Wolves, capture Magnus and bring him to Terra in chains. Horus instead told Russ to bring utter devastation to the Thousand Sons.

That's the canon version from Wrath of Magnus.Codex > BL

>magnus the Fagnus

I think someone is insecure about Thramas. I know a Night Lord when I see one.

Sanguinius of course. He should have joined Horus and fuck the False Emperor out of the Galaxy.

You're not funny OP, replying to your own comments won't help.

Go to bed Abaddon

Lion Fag Johnson

He's not intentionally subservient but every single thing Be'lakor will ever do is to fulfill the schemes of the gods and fail. Daemon Princes have personalities beyond their gods, their memories of humanity and some emotions.

They do not have free will. They still have aspects of their gods in them. The fate the gods have written for them will always occur.

Explain skarbrand

Kek

Nope. Whatever is new goes.

What part of 'PRIMARCH' did you not understand user?