Warmachine/Hordes General WarmaHordes

If you want to use the cards, PP made a PDF of the errata that you can print out, cut out, and stick in front of the cards if you have them in sleeves. It's what I do.

I've always liked Magnus, both gameplay and fluff. The fucker's pretty cool.

He's a badass. Can't wait to play him in Cygnar.

>Can't wait to play him in Cygnar.
never ever

Yeah, same here - I have a bit of a soft spot for games that have fluff progression mirrored in the rules, even though warcasters generally have ridiculous levels of plot armour in the fluff.

Having Caine turn mercenary, and Magnus get (barely) accepted back into the fold of Cygnar, and seeing that get reflected in a game sense with a faction change is the sort of thing I'd want to see Privateer Press do more.

Yes, but only soon (TM).

Is this game still dead?

Yes. We're all just playing it ironically. As are all the people at tournaments and cons.

As are all the people who are jumping off the PP ship left and right?

People play it still? I live in BC like an hour from PP HQ and I don't ever hear about anyone playing it.

Are they too busy playing Guild Ball? XD

There've been quite a few end of last year, but it seems to be stabilizing right now, at least in Europe.

Thinking about starting an army - Legion or Cryx. I like to hit hard. How to start them?

Both of these factions are currently in somewhat of an identity crysis after being the top factions last edition. They're not bad, but a bit behind the current top factions and have some bad options.

That said, they're playable and if they both appeal to you, you should probably go by playstyle. Cryx generally likes debuffing their opponent while attacking their weak points from rather crazy angles. Legion gets to ignore a bunch of rules (less so than last edition, but still) and like hitting hard and fast. Both factions are on the fragile end of the spectrum, so if things go wrong, they go terribly wrong.

Both factions can break away from their general playstyle and you'll probably find a warcaster/warlock in any faction that can play any style of list/strategy. But the above is how the factions play in general.

Another thing to consider is the core mechanic. Warmachine uses Focus and Hordes uses Fury. Both essentially do the same thing (fuel spells, attacks, etc.), but are obtained and used in different ways. Generally Fury is a bit more flexible while Focus is a bit more powerful (not intrinsically, but the respective models usually have somewhat better stats).

If you want to start Cryx make sure you like Coven/Deneghra1 and Satyxis Raiders before buying into faction because if you want to win these will be the casters and units you will be playing until you're sick of it, honestly things would be easier and probably more interesting with some other Warmachine faction (Cygnar/Khador/Retri/PoM/Mercs).

Either Oleg "What's a war crime?" Strakhov or Tyrant "What's a war crime?" Xerxis.

>If you want to start Cryx make sure you like Coven/Deneghra1 and Satyxis Raiders before buying into faction because if you want to win these will be the casters and units you will be playing until you're sick of it, honestly things would be easier and probably more interesting with some other Warmachine faction (Cygnar/Khador/Retri/PoM/Mercs).

Cryx has more viable builds than most factions now with the Ghost Fleet and errata'ed Gaspy2.

Skarre1,Skarre2,Gaspy2 and Scaverous all have viable competitive builds.

Internal balance-wise, Soul Hunters, Satyxis Blood Witches, Bane Warriors and Mechani/carrion thralls all see play.

Cryx is actually one of the more balanced factions, just not a power faction anymore.

Kind of agree, especially Skarre1 her Feat hits like metric ton of nails though very predictably. However aside Coven you are praying to dodge the worst match-ups and I'm not entirely sold on view of Cryx being one of the more balanced factions either.

How's PoM doing with the last changes?

Ghost fleet/Denny1 and Gaspy2 are pretty good all comers too. I'm pretty sure there's an all comers Terminus ghost-fleet build too. I just haven't found it yet.

Still going strong, but without the free HR wins. Is EoT out yet? He destroys the world.

how can you get from British Columbia to Bellevue Washington in under two hours?

also, where do you live in BC that there's no one playing Warmachine. I'm in P. Moody and play at Hourglass, there's actually a community paint event on the 19th.

>Cryx is actually one of the more balanced factions

And one of the more boring factions. We have very few interesting synergies left any more, and our recursion was gutted. It's "Run forwards, apply debuffs, try not to get shot" the faction.

Pretty awesome.

Amon is still bonkers. Eye of Truth is amazing. HR is is still good, but no longer broken.

In my opinion, it's the most complete faction, between the most playable casters and models.

>And one of the more boring factions. We have very few interesting synergies left any more, and our recursion was gutted. It's "Run forwards, apply debuffs, try not to get shot" the faction.

Gunslingers, errataed Gaspy2 and Ghost Fleet opened that up a lot. Now Cryx has cloud options and a surprisingly effective ranged game. Certainly not perfect but there's a lot more involved that just "run banes, hope they survive".

It's dying here in Ireland.

The guys in the south barely play, the Dublin lot seem pretty apathetic and the northern lot are about the same. In previous years they could have fielded 3 WTC teams easily, this year they barely put one together.

Warpcon in Cork used to be the biggest tournament of the year here and it only had 12ish players this year. In one round two guys played X-Wing instead.

Ashlynn, gotta love the desperate resistance thing. I'm stoked she's actually gonna start participating in the fluff too

So yeah. This weekend I went to a local convention to run demos because our local warmachine meta has died completely.

I got one new person wanting to buy a starter box, and two former players from years back that might show up.

In comparison, xwing had about 12 people playing and 40k had around 30.

I'm in talks with local 40k players now about buying a space marine force so I can play a game that while not nearly as good has actual players.

Okay fine, here's your (you).

I got the starter box for PoM and played a few games. Malekus seems pretty good and I kinda wanna run heavy jack armies. Where do I go from here?

Zevanna Agha, The Old Witch of Khador.

I love everything about her, except for the actual rules on the table. Because god damn, is she awful.

Here's hope that Old Witch 2 will be viable. They won't fuck it up, right?

I am going to build two desert hydras at the same time this week.

May Menoth have mercy on my soul.

Hoksune model is hoksune man.

Old Witch 2 is part of the community development so she'll be OP as fuck or utter shit.

Is magnus2 still worth playing? I was thinking about running him with my Damiano Kingmaker pair, but I just don't see him worth playing the the nerfs to throw and he just seems like Bart without a auto boosted Galleon.

He's worlds better than he was in mk2. As I understand it he's one of merc's more competetive casters nowadays.

There's a good chance he becomes a scenario god in near future.

Look into the warcaster Amon, he loves jacks

Fuck putting together Wracks. This shit is terrible.

his character jack eye of truth is great with him. He like to play fire based jack gunlines, so heavies that are good with him are things like reckoners and vanquishers. Redeemers are also good with him bringing them with Tristan since you have the reckoner for the -2 def buff.

Styrofoam + super glue should make it bearable.

ADR suggestions for Skorne? plus specialist lists?

Zaadesh + whatever you like

Magnus, for being the most vindicated man in the setting. I really think Magnus and Caine would have gotten along if things had been slightly different.

Drake McBain, they only man who really gets to live his dreams.

Maelock, for that glorious stunt he pulled with Caliban.

This is my first ADR - since there are no more cards, how do you do the card thingy for the specialist thingy

Just the forums are.

After list selection, just tell your opponent what you're switching out for what.

>1 hr from Seattle.
Are you in Vancouver? They just had a steamroller that had 32 players in it like last weekend. A few of us Vic boys went over for it too. There's tons of warmachine happening in PNW, at least in the cities.

I don't think he's worth running in Kingsmaker as much now, but him with Idrians and Sp7 arm 21 heavies is pretty great. And he can get Gallant up to def 15 arm 21 too, or just run Raggy like everyone does and pump your damage to crazy levels with arced Calamity. His feat is also bonkers for scenario, even if he loses some of the trickyness of the feat n' throw tactic.

Elara2 release when

Yeah I always fancied Gallant with him, I never understood the Kingmaker hype with him. He doesn't have any synergy with halbies or trenchers honestly.

Thanks for the tips. Styrofoam should help.

The day before Gastonne2

Anson Durst. He strictly adheres to his own moral code to the point of defying his superiors. Dig the fact that hes part of a dying cultlike paladin order. Gameplay wise hes a fucking beast

He's alright with Trenchers, but Idrians are just better for the circumstances because they have pathfinder and prey. He was hype in Kingsmaker because he could feat and be thrown forward to prevent the enemy's army from moving and contesting on scenario, while also being safe from ranged attacks due to his feign death rule gained from theme benefits.

Of course he is. Magnus2's feat is still ridiculous and your opponents warcasters have to live in constant fear of taking two POW 16 knockdown rockets and a POW 15 AOE to the face.

I wouldn't go theme though.

Glad the sticky got updated with the Command Books. I'll see if I can afford to get the other ones from the online store when they come out and load them here as well.

I see comments like this in every thread, what's the deal with this? People that can't let go? Keyboard warriors just looking to troll?

I believe that was before the change to power attacks. You could potentially feat, then throw him forward to get a big lead on scenario. In theme you were immune to ranged & magic attacks thanks to feign death.

He's still legit, though I'd take him out of theme. Loved a list from the WTC, slightly tweaked now due to point costs changing:

(Magnus 2) Magnus the Warlord [+28]
- Gallant [17]
- Mangler [15]
- Nomad [11]
- Renegade [10]
- Sylys Wyshnalyrr, The Seeker [4]
Idrian Skirmishers (max) [15]
- Idrian Skirmisher Chieftain & Guide [5]
Lady Aiyana & Master Holt [8]
Harlan Versh, Illuminated One [4]
Kell Bailoch [5]
Alten Ashley [6]
Dirty Meg [3]
Stockpile

Used to have a mangler in stead of nomad + dirty Meg, but Ashley got more expensive. Not convinced that he's still worth it with gargantuans being immune to grievous. Still handy at times though.

What if Magnus2 just used his feat on the first turn of the game? Like go first, activate Magnus, feat, do shit. Your opponent is completely locked out of the game barring throwing out their upkeeps.

>If an enemy model start it's movement in Magnus' control range,

O-oh...

Has anyone got the Serevius YMCA image from the last thread?

I got you

Because the game isn't being played anymore in people's area. Doesn't mean the game is being played period. Also don't feed the trolls if it bothers you so much.

I really like Mohsar and Bradigus as a pissed off druid combo who have to swoop in and deal with everyone's fuckups or else the world will end.

I like Ossrum because dwarf Patton and the potential for glorious war with Makeda.

I like Xerxis because unstoppable juggernauts who are competent in other areas is my thing.

And, as another user already said, I like McBain because he's just having so much damn fun. Also he reminds me of some biker friends.

New to Warmahorders. Is ultimate bundle a good idea on WarRoom at this point in the games life? I know I can just download all the card pack PDFs, but if they're going to be updating rules often, I don't mind shelling out money for their app. I just don't want to shell out money if there's going to be a new edition within the next 4-5 years.

Download WHAC from the Google store. It's War Room but free.

I don't own any Android devices.

Buying one is cheaper than buying cards on War Room.

I recently glued a few inches of chopstick onto a base of each size and painted a front arc on them. They're the best fucking idea ever and we use them as proxies in like every game at my LGS.

..... Welcome to proxy bases?

But we lived in the stone age before, we we'd just use a plain blank base that you couldn't slot into awkward places without disturbing models, and even if you did you'd never get it back out. Now the clouds have parted and sunshine has broken through.

If I were to sell my trolls, how much off MSRP would you guys expect?

Depends on if they're painted or assembled already, and is so at what quality.

Used models usually sell for about 50%. You might be able to get more than that if they're well painted, and I mean actually well. Your best bet is to find someone local since its a crapshoot selling online. You could try Bartertown though.

let's be generous and say poorly assembled and painted

This actually seems to be how this game survives oddly. My local meta is either players who've been playing since Mk1 or new players roped in by the same, a total of 7 players. While 40K has an easy 12+ per game day.

Invest in a big jar and some Purple Power and strip those bitches then. Should remove all of the paint, primer, and glue assuming you didn't use some particularly weird primer.

Remember that people who are looking to buy used minis want them as cheap as possible with as little hassle as possible. You could sell $300 dollars worth of dudes for $100, but if the time, effort, and material cost of getting those minis back to a blank slate looks too high, very few people will buy then.

For what its t's worth myself and everyone in my community has picked it up. $80 or whatever it is for the ultimate bundle is chump change for a miniature game and its pretty handy to have all the rules handy

If you're cheap you can just wait for them to release the free PDFs and print off cards if you want.

It's pretty much never worth it to sell your models. Nobody wants to clean up someone else's shitty models and you'll be lucky to get 50% retail for them. If that.

It's almost always better to just keep them so you can play them in the future

But what if I never ever ever want to play with them?

If you're absolutely certain then prepare to lose a lot of money and be disappointed. Like I said, you're only going to get maybe 50% retail back at best. You're more likely to get 40%

Better than 100% not using them

how much do you have, and would you be able to ship to Canada before the end of March?

Probably not by end of March. I've got a lot of shit going on and this is one of the things I'm gauging to reduce clutter.

Yes. It's a pretty huge price tag, but if I think about how much I used to spend on codices / army books and still spend on miniatures it's really not that much in comparison.

May I ask why are you selling them?

Because I have given up hope for trolls.

Basically I've hit the state where nothing PP could do would appease me and at that point, why perpetuate the misery? It's 10 years of wasted time and effort and I figure it's better that someone uses it rather than me throwing it out.

I was planning to wait until LnL for the new steamroller, but I'm not sure I can hold out.

I'm considering quitting the game because the new edition doesn't quite fit me. Is there any other wargame that isn't 40K, isn't a skirmish and is popular? I tend to move a lot so just playing what people play at the lgs isn't a good idea for me.

X-wing.