>The Round Table is King Arthur's famed table in the Arthurian legend, around which he and his Knights congregate. >As its name suggests, it has no head, implying that everyone who sits there has equal status.
I mean, sure, yeah, but the King still has a seat, right?
Then surely the seat to his direct right has much more status attached to it than any other seat.
And even if the King changes seats every time they sit, the position to his right is still the seat of greater status, no?
It's the principle of the thing. You can't ever entirely avoid hierarchy, but structurally it's a lot less obvious with a round table than with a more conventional one.
Josiah Jones
Of course not, that's nearest to the left hand, the shit-wiping hand
Cooper Barnes
The worst spots would be second to next to the king. When you sit opposite, the king can talk to you face to face. If you are next to the king, he can turn to look at you. But if you are second to next, the guy next to him is in the way. So the kng has to make an extra effort to look at you and might not bother.
Matthew Sanchez
This exact issue comes up in The Once and Future King, I believe.
Brayden Perry
I'll bet that's where they stuck Kay.
Adrian King
No, the seat that had the most status attached to it was Galahad's seat, since it was magical and killed anyone who tried to sit in it other than him.
It was also inscribed with "Reserved for the coolest, most badass knight ever".
Which is why King Arthur in the original French tale never sat at the table, he sat at his own throne separate from the Knights.
The Knights were equals to each other (which gets some Knights like Lancey all pissy because they think they deserve more), but to expect their King to sit among them is too much, the King is clearly above the Knights.
Josiah Wilson
What if they all wore masks for as long as they're seated around the table?
Jack Cruz
Too bad Galahad was a fuckwit and didn't actually get the grail despite it being paraded in front of him.
Jordan Morales
Why?
Robert Kelly
>I mean, sure, yeah, but the King still has a seat, right? At the table his seat is no more important than any other. He can order people as a king when at court or from his throne room, but at the round table his words are weighed as those of any other knight.
Carson Turner
>Which is why King Arthur in the original French tale never sat at the table >in the original French tale >the original French >original >FRENCH I have caught flame with fury. Fucking Lancelot fanfiction frog.
Mason Martin
Then you can't tell king from knight, and everyone gets an equal voice.
Juan Nelson
We can all TELL it's you Kay you're 8 foot tall and sound like thunder on a mountain and literally steam when it rains
Brayden Jones
>I have caught flame with fury.
Bless you user, but you must realize, it's fanfiction all the way down.
Kevin Perry
>tfw someone forgot to move the Siege Perilous before the game of musical chairs
Dylan Mitchell
>Rounde and Ronde yon Table Rounde >The brachet chased the minstrel >The minstrel thought it was all in goode fun >Pop goeth the buboes
Nicholas Williams
The answer is obvious-- he sits cross-legged in the center of the table, and makes uncomfortable amounts of eye-contact with his knights. Whenever they address him directly, he leans close enough to feel their breath on his beard.
Aiden Cox
Why would it rain indoors?
Easton Perez
You tell us Kay, since apparently that's another thing you can do
Hudson Cooper
Do what? Make it rain indoors, or explain the phenomenon of indoor rainfall?
James Torres
>And even if the King changes seats every time they sit, the position to his right is still the seat of greater status, no? Not necessarily >Each knight has an item (eg. a helmet or a name tag) >Someone without bias sets up the items to choose the seating (eg. someone who doesn't know whose helmets are whose or someone illiterate for the name tag idea) >Knights who sit next to the king sit next to him based purely on chance
Luke Lee
>Before Cai's birth, Cynyr Ceinfarfog prophesied that his son's heart would be eternally cold, that he would be exceptionally stubborn and that no one would be able to brave fire or water like him. Cai is attributed with a number of further superhuman abilities, including the ability to go nine days and nine nights without the need to breathe or to sleep, the ability to grow as "tall as the tallest tree in the forest if he pleased" and the ability to radiate supernatural heat from his hands. Furthermore, it is impossible to cure a wound from Cai's sword.
Prince of the plunder, The unrelenting warrior to his enemy; Heavy was he in his vengeance; Terrible was his fighting. When he would drink from a horn, He would drink as much as four; When into battle he came He slew as would a hundred. Unless God should accomplish it, Cei's death would be unattainable. Worthy Cei and Llachau Used to fight battles, Before the pain of livid spears [ended the conflict]. On the top of Ystarfingun Cei slew nine witches. Worthy Cei went to Ynys Mon To destroy lions. Little protection did his shield offer Against Palug's Cat
Luis Smith
this is why you have the king sit in the center of the table, preferably on a slowly rotating seat so he doesn't face towards only one knight
Jeremiah Harris
Well, the king said, "all who sit at this table are sequel," so no. He said so, and he's the King. That's literally how being the King works.
Lucas Gutierrez
>based purely on chance
Mother fucker, we're talking about Christian Knights here.
Nothing happens by chance, it happens by the will of God.
That illiterate peasant put Sir Kay's nametag next to the King's because it was God's will that Sir Kay receive the most honor by sitting to the right of the King.
Kevin Thomas
Old British knights of the round table were literally the Justice League.
Jack Hill
I'd make a joke about not being able to remember the time Batman cuckolded Superman but then I remember
>DC and figure it probably happened.
Henry Thomas
Because we're in England. It rains everywhere.
Jacob Hill
But what's Arthurs tax policy?
Jonathan Hughes
>Everyone shit-talking Kay >So everyone forgets all about Balin and how he ruined Britain so much that the Knights of the Round had to get the Holy Grail, setting the stage for Arthur's eventual end
Never Trust Balin
Asher Torres
Kneel before the King.
Wyatt Sanders
Looks like a girl, so surely you meant Queen?
Or is this another case of Japan "Draw a girl, call it a boy" Trap-design?
Luis James
>The Knights were equals to each other (which gets some Knights like Lancey all pissy because they think they deserve more),
You... You do realize the chairs have fancy magical engravings that show who has which seat, and one of them *does* say THE PUREST OF KNIGHTS or THE GREATEST KNIGHT?
Lancelot LITERALLY HAS A SEAT THAT SAYS HE'S THE BESTEST.
Easton Davis
Mah boy Balin would've never had to give the dolorous stroke if that fucking invisi-knight wasn't ganking all his friends.
He lived a hard life.
Levi Thomas
Nope. In Japan, King Arthur is a girl.
Ryder Perez
I see. Is there not a japanese word to translate Queen and they use King for both genders?
Kevin Williams
You know, I'm honestly quite impressed with Japan's veracity at tearing into Western mythology like this, in many respects they view it as a positive thing because they're getting to use the literary heritage of another culture.
Cameron Lopez
No, it's explicit that King Arthur was a girl who concealed her gender, and that's why everyone thinks she was a man in life.
Nathaniel Gonzalez
She also had a dick, which she knew how to use.
Merlin thought it would be funny to give it to her.
Kevin Rogers
You know what he could've done instead of giving the fucking dolorous stroke?
Wait until Invisi-knight wasn't in the fucking castle of his crazy brother and challenge him to combat away from the Lance.
Not that Balin can think a day ahead, apparently he can't even think a minute ahead, seeing as how he used the Lance in the first place.
Ryder Ortiz
Something like this.
Is the land/settlement/population under attack from Picts/Saxons/magical creatures? If the answer is no, leave it be and keep taxes either low or nonexistent. If yes, proceed to tax the everloving fuck out the specific place/group of people which is under attack, and don't lower the tax rates either until the threat is pushed back or until there's nothing left to tax.
This is a brilliant policy.
Henry Roberts
>French
CHRETTIENNE GO TO BED, YOU SNAIL-SCARFING CODPIECE.
Owen Thompson
You think Balin had *time* to think about all that? All he knew was the invisi-knight was at a banquet for some asshole, and when he killed the invisi-knight the asshole tried to kill him, and in clear self-defense to everyone observing Balin bonked him on the head with that cursed sword and it exploded.
So what was he supposed to do? Die? He spent minutes running around that castle looking for a weapon, it's not his fault he wandered into a room with a spear laying on some bed!
HE LIVED A HARD LIFE!
Parker Wright
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Evan Sanders
>mfw the frogs do a better job telling your cultural epic than the natives
Carson Reed
Ok, Kay had superpowers, I know Gawain had some superpowers, who else? At what point do they stop getting powers?
Is there a list or should I check one by one in wikipedia?
Justin Campbell
>Is there a list or should I check one by one in wikipedia?
King Pellinore had balls of steel, if that counts.
Justin Long
Hey, so I've got Le Morte De Arthur from my Barnes & Noble Collectable Edition and King Arthur and His Lnights by Howard Pyle. Are there any other titles based of Arthurian legend that I should look into? I have The Once & Future King by T.H. White if that's a suggestion, but I haven't finished it yet.
Nolan Lee
Fate Stay/Night by Kinoku Nasu
Owen Ward
Balin wasn't a knight of the round table though. Even a British king has standards.
Samuel Diaz
Heh. In a novel series I've read, a Prime Minister of a corrupt government brought in a round table for cabinet meetings to avoid people seeming preferential.
Then the foreign secretary brought in a thick dark-wood throne for his seat.
So the prime minister had to bring in a big gilt rose throne for himself.
And so on.
Benjamin Moore
I think Lancelot canonically had every superpower.
Austin Hughes
Percival had Hulk-level strength, and everybody had either a faerie-made sword or shield. Or both.
Tristan and Dinadan both had ridiculous "sing-a-bird-out-of the-trees" bard skills.
Kay would apparently light on fire on occasion.
Brandon Torres
King Arthur and his Knights of the Round Table by Roger Llancelyn Green
All of the Squire's Tale/Parsifal's Page series by Gerald Morris
Howard Pyle's Tales of King Arthur and his Knights
The old Brown, Green, and Red Fairy Books.
Luis Mitchell
They're secretly communists.
Now I want to run a campaign about an order of Marxist knights fighting for the rights of the working class against their fellow noblemen.
Aaron Moore
Properly speaking according to the rules of etiquette and protocol, the head of the table is whatever seat faces the main entrance to the room. The round table did, actually, have a head.
Anthony Howard
Well, actually, they use "Tenno" to refer to an Emperor of either gender (and correspondingly the Japanese head of state is called the Emperor in English regardless of gender). However they certainly understand the concept in principle.
It's just they decided it would be better if Arthur was instead a girl.
Jordan Watson
And it worked out very well for them.
Carson Allen
I really need to find that stick figure head with its eyes rolled up and its mouth open in a wild guffaw with the speech bubble "HAH!" attached, because fuck would I get a lot of use out of it. I have no idea what the damn thing is called, though.
Carter Martinez
To even begin to extract the original islander myths from Le Morte D'Arthur in the minds of everyday discourse at this point would be an exercise in futility and frustration and, frankly, the English of the period embraced the French versions anyways.
Christian Campbell
Waifu fags ruin everything
Cooper Mitchell
It also gave us Scathach.
Camden Jackson
Did someone say KING ARTHUR?
Anthony Rogers
Didn't this end up ruining Type Moon as now there are a gorillian Saber clones running around
Carson Bailey
I didn't vote for you.
Ayden Young
>ruining Type Moon Don't think they've ever been richer.
Angel Reed
Arturia Pendragon Arturia Pendragon (Alter) Arturia Pendragon (Hana no Miyako) Devil Saber Galactica Saber Gray Goddess of Rhongomyniad Hungry Saber Jeanne d'Arc Jeanne d'Arc (Alter) King Saber Lancer Artoria Lancer Artoria (Alter) Master Artoria Mordred Mysterious Heroine X Mysterious Heroine X Alter Nero Nero (Bride) Okita Souji Rider Santa Alter Saber Lily Saber Lion Swimsuit Artoria Swimsuit Mordred Ultra Heroine Z
There might be more
William Nguyen
>forgetting my homeboys Sir Palamedes and Sir Morien
They could probably introduce a character at this point whose special ability is Unlimited Saber Works.
Lincoln Perry
>Marxist knights fighting for the rights of the working class against their fellow noblemen. They do this by killing all the townsmen and yoeomen instead of the actuality exploitive nobles, correct?
Ethan Hernandez
Found the capitalist lapdog. Probably would also support Mordred.
Levi Gutierrez
You call me a lapdog but I'm not the one killing workers who have achieved small margins of success at the behest of the people actually oppressing him.
The pattern is the workers let the blood of their slight slightly more successful peers at the behest of (a) privileged organiser/s, to usher in an era of mutual poverty under the rule of the children of privilege who agitated them.
That's what success looks like. Most of the time it's actually the children of privilege killing workers themselves because they can't get the workers to "cast off their chains" (accept the mutual poverty).
Marx was a fool.
Adam James
Marx was an idealist whose ideas were manipulated into poor usage by the ambitious and the equally idealistic.
So, yeah, pretty much.
Eli Lee
Marx's understanding of human nature was fundamentally flawed and colored by his own very privileged existence.
His ideas fall apart in execution because their foundation is sand.
Ryder Jones
God wouldn't give sir Kay any honor if every other person on earth decided to worship Satan while molesting children of the same sex.
Josiah Wilson
Honestly you can't go wrong with a good translation of Chretien de Troyes. The Knight with the Lion and his Story of the Grail are especially good (even though the Story of the Grail is unfinished).
Dylan Williams
>Scathach
isn't she supposed to be the old warrior lady who trained cu chulainn?
Owen Gutierrez
Unless you have a grandma fetish, I prefer Japan version more.
Dominic Peterson
What do you think 'idealist' means?
Camden Moore
you meant "Reserved for the fucking virgin"
Caleb Bell
I'd second Knight of the Lion, it's a very classical Arthurian style story. Great stuff.
Gavin Rodriguez
It doesn't have to mean "completely out of touch". Often it just means unwilling to compromise.
Gabriel Evans
Yeah welcome to every theory on human behavior. The only thing you can count on is people being contrarian and irrational.
Jackson Butler
Not really. So far everyone just went to state capitalism, called it communism and declared he was done. Marx thought the change away from capitalism would happen far faster. That was not true but does not make him a complete fool.
Ryan Flores
Why does shit from japan always suck so much?
Justin Lewis
I think the concept of "First Among Equals" would apply. When the King is at the Round Table, he wishes everyone to speak to him as an equal. He wants to hear their thoughts and opinions, not as subjects, but as comrades in arms. While there will always be some degree of deference, and his opinion will obviously carry more weight than, say, some random upstart, the Round Table still serves the purpose of allowing the knights to speak truth to power without fear of dishonoring their King by not showing proper deference to his position.
Anthony Brooks
His idea was actually pretty good. For small groups. Of very, VERY alike people. It breaks down when you introduce more than 150 or so.
The Soviet system, though, that was a really novel idea. Inject some controls to keep leadership from behaving like EVERY HUMAN THAT EVER ATTAINS POWER and you have a representative democracy; biggest difference from modernity being instead of fragmenting along party and regional identity lines, it forms blocs by industry.
Surprise surprise, oil and finance still dominate.
Matthew Murphy
An unwillingness to compromise frequently demonstrates pretty clearly that you're completely out of touch.
Aiden Green
And Arthur in the original one true welsh and breton isn't THE king, he's one of many petty kings.
The Chretien de Troyes/Mallory version of things is 100% a reflection on their own times. Half of the CdT version is a Roman a clef about life at the Plantagenet court.
Matthew Rivera
That's because it wasn't a cultural epic for the welsh and bretons, it was past history of the last thousand years.
The Four Branches is a lot closer to being a cultural epic.
>I meant the english It's not your fucking cultural epic either, invadershit
Luis Jackson
Only because they were French and had colonised and traumatized the Anglo-Saxon population.
Camden Bailey
FUCKING CHRETIEN REEEEE
Jackson Adams
I'm pretty sure that actually is the power of tbe joke profile for the series artist
Blake Young
Mordred technically had a more sound claim to the throne. None of what he did was particularly outrageous or unusual for his time period. We just villify him because he opposed Arthur, whose positive qualities are more informed than demonstrated. The further back you go the thinner evidence that Arthur actually was a good King gets