/STG/ - Star Trek General

Of course not, they prefer to listen to Klingon Pop.

Just like a fairly low key cruise ship for years at a time.

Pretty shit if you don't want to spend all your time working and sleeping. Which is grand because they only employ workaholics who raise their kids in distraction free fishbowls to breed them as Starfleet obsessed workaholics too.

Sounds pretty good to me as long as the kids are smart enough to get back in Starfleet. That would be a pretty world ending rejection.

Yes
I too become angered and confused by the sight of people kissing

>Klingons in candy-colored, frilly dresses singing about blood and honor

God help us

>That would be a pretty world ending rejection.
It seems that in the UFP, Earth in particular, if parents are Starfleet then you have failed if you are not.

Oh jesus christ I looked that up and It's actually a thing.

Wasn't that Voyager though?
>hero ship gets flung a bajillion miles away
>they have to fight their way home
>half the bridge crew is one dimensional waifu bait
>CO is a crazy person
>small craft pilots solve problems they really shouldn't be able to
>The Power Of Human Culture(tm) solves all sorts of ass pulls

[grumbles in sisko]

We now have some stats on those 26th century ships and some more pics.
Ent-J looks downright hideous.

arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10423633-26-century-dreadnoughts-stats!

Aaaand this popped into my head. Thanks guys.

youtube.com/watch?v=GvqXCK9tD7o

Here's a full mashup, if anyone wants it.
youtube.com/watch?v=B3nfweteZck

The baSro' may well be my new favorite Klingon ship, however.

Look at this thing. This thing is fucking adorable and yet still recognizably Klingon.

"Qapla'-nyaa~!"

>two hangar bays equipped with Cestus Frigates
TIL: 26th century frigates have precisely one (1) deck

>It looks like it's only 1 or 2 decks wide on the saucer section so internal space is probably comparable to a Sovereign class.

Don't they have 'bigger on the inside' technology? The interior of that thing is probably fucking huge.

I think the creators even said as much.

Less singing, at least.

Looks like it should be Romulan. Just paint it green.

A long neck, forward command module, and underslung wings are a hallmark of Klingon design going back to the D7.

But look at how disgustingly smooth it is.

Everything in the 26th century is disgustingly smooth. Apparently starship design is destined to move towards an ultimate smoothularity.

Sneak peak at the Enterprise L

>The USS ÜberEnterprise (NCC-1701-∞) is a Mega-Federation exploration vessel launched in A.D. 12265, the ten thousand year anniversary of James T. Kirk's first mission as captain of the original USS Enterprise. The vessel is a spherical liquid-metal starship 250 km in diameter, which can separate into larger copies of the earlier starships named Enterprise for exploration purposes.

>The ÜberEnterprise is equipped with advanced warp engines capable of speeds of at least Warp 1000. It is also equipped with a blinkporter, which can transport the user at the speed of thought.

> Data, who has not left his quarters in five thousand years, has become something of a crazy hermit
Motherfuck, I forgot this was a thing.

Super secret leak of Cryptics future Ent-L model.

Again, the fucking D7, which is much smoother.

It's like you people don't even watch Star Trek...

Is this an actual thing?

Makes me think that 'Flight of the Navigator' was a preview of what all super future ships would look like.

No. Yes. Sort-of. It's from an anthology of emphatically non-canon stories. It was officially published, but none of the stories have ever been considered as canon in any timeline.

The story, as I recall, involves Clone!Kirk and Clone!Picard both chewing out the Milky Way Galaxy at the end for having become complete assholes, which the Milky Way Galaxy is of course forced to admit that it has and change it ways because, well, it was subject to both a Kirk Speech AND a Picard Speech. And I do mean the entire Milky Way; by that point in the story all sapient life in the Milky Way has merged into gestalt consciousness.

It was weird, but fun.

The D7 has plenty of sharp corners, captain defensive. The D7000 is paper thin.

That's not strictly speaking true. Look at her wings. Most Klingon ships have wings the sweep back, ending up further aft than they started. There are notable exceptions. The Nehg'var and BoP.

However the wing shape on the BaSro is much more akin to the Romulan style. More specifically, the raptor class and D'Deridex.

K'tinga is superior tbqhwys

Best design, all time reporting in.

I mean, I like D'Deridex, but she's not what I'd call the best design of all time

If it ain't hollow, don't even borrow.

What does that even mean?

my sides have entered subspace

B-but user, don't you know? We're too cool for nacelles in the future!

K'tinga IS D7.

Incorrect. The K'tinga is treated as a separate class. Specifically the successor to the D7.

memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/K't'inga_class

user, it's basically just a D7 with more polygons.

>polygons

You know they were physical models, right?

thatwasthejoke.png

The original designer stated that the round spot on the front of a D-7's command hull was the navigational deflector. This turned into a photon torpedo launcher in the movies. So there are some significant differences. Unfortunately Star Trek canon is leaky and so in the remastered version of ToS the spot is again a photon torpedo tube. So while originally there were significant differences between a D-7 and a K'tinga the difference is mainly appearance now.

>Deflector array turns into a weapon

This happened with the D'Deridex as well. I suppose we can be thankful that the Starfleet ships didn't end up with that mistake.

>but user, I was only pretending to be retarded!

>I suppose we can be thankful that the Starfleet ships didn't end up with that mistake.
It almost did anyways thanks to the IMMA FIRIN MAH LAZOR tactic from TNG:Best of Both Worlds that got horribly overused in Voyager.

Oh, that's what you meant by smooth. I thought you were referring to the fact that the hull of the baSro' is relatively smooth and free of random jutting out portions.

I'm not against its more rounded shape given what I know about how FTL travel in Star Trek works. "Space is an ocean", basically; you want a ship that cuts through subspace easier.

Dont worry, those are retractable.

Those would probably be its shuttles. Though I think there's a bit too much external detail on it.

I think the point he was making was more that, for a Klingon ship, this new design shares a lot of design queues with 24th century Romulan designs.

Could be that it's a joint development of some sort.

That's the way they explain the 29th century ships (bottom 2 ships).

Correction, 31st century.

20% lobi sale.
arcgames.com/en/games/star-trek-online/news/detail/10419633-20%-lobi-sale!

And i just bought a 200 lobi suit for my captain few weeks ago.

Well duh, sales only happen after someone buys something they've been saving for.
The rest of us thank you for your sacrifice.

>This happened with the D'Deridex as well. I suppose we can be thankful that the Starfleet ships didn't end up with that mistake.

>TNG "Darmok"
> wherein the Enterprise fires a phaser beam out of the forward torpedo tube

>And i just bought a 200 lobi suit for my captain few weeks ago
There is a sucker born every second as the Fenergi say.

>still 200 lobi away from NX Refit
Fuck. I'm so tempted to buy zen and just shit out R&D packs until I get enough.

Now is not the time to buy zen, time to buy it was until latest patch, now we wait till we can buy dilithium in bulk.

I haven't been on in a few weeks, but I bring this. A screenshot of the Universe class dreadnought dwarfing all the things.

It's a big ship.

>Last digit 4

I give this (you) for you.

Different user here, just took some pictures from my corvette.

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Also, say hello to my new ship.

and i got a vengeance. fuuuck

Neat. Shitposting from my lizard dildo.

Congratulations. With the addition of but a single red stripe, you've managed to make an already ugly ship even uglier.

It wasn't me, i swear.

Man, that's a lot of bottle openers.

Welp, forgot pic.

How the literal fuck does the TE survive that long?

user who just dumped his dil into Zen before the market crashed from Phoenix boxes here, I feel your pain

TE survives because their future counterparts came around, handed them some high tech and helped them nuke the Iconians both in their present and in their past (which caused Leeta to become an admiral thanks to her own tactical genius) and now we got Terrans in Prime universe badlands.

Part 2 of Leetas final diary entry.
The things temporal agents haul to us...

Fuck Huej ships are all right and well but who here craves the small and comfy? The sort of ship where the Captain can be on a first name basis with the entire crew.

Where maybe there isn't every luxury of a small city but is made up for with the comradery in adversity.

Pioneer Utility Cruiser is comfy. I would be willing to pay for T6 Pioneer with TOS interior.

Fuck the rest.

I've always been a fan of ships that are not gigantic. Makes it more personal. And better for narrative because it's more conceivable that it can't do everything and needs cunning to work around problems.

What I love about the Pioneer is that itty bitty secondary hull that makes so much sense but never appeared elsewhere. It makes stuff like the Saladin better than having a dish jutting from the bottom of the saucer.

I'd like it more if it were set further back.

In this pic? That's my Paladin (pretending to be its much cooler ancestor, the Ranger) next to the NX (lost against all the lights) hovering above the universe class.

Personally, the "itty-bitty" ships are actually quite large when you put them in human scale. It's just that Trek and by extension STO has gone the "bigger is better!" route for some reason.

Of them all, my favorite is probably the Daedalus.

>It's just that Trek and by extension STO has gone the "bigger is better!"

The series backed down from going ever larger for Star Fleet ships after the Galaxy class. Even going to the point that the Enterprise E was the first Enterprise that wasn't the same size or larger than it's predecessor of the same name. Which was good.

That is a good thing, certainly, but damn if ENT didn't double down on the "the future is fuckhueg!" deal with the J. The calendar or artbook or whatever that showed us the Odyssey class didn't help either.

While I'm not a fan of VOY, I did like that the Intrepid and Nova classes were comfortable sizes.

I can see why ENT did it, I mean making the Enterprise J the size of an original xbox was really just a visually convenient way to show that it's incredibly more advanced than other 'trek ships we've seen as well as fit it's purpose as an apparently intergalactic explorer that may well be required to be a generation/colony ship as well as a fully capable battle/exploration vessel. There's no way a ship like that is getting stuck being Star Fleet's diplomatic envoy bitch like the Enterprise D did.

Star Fleet building whales seems like a trend that really should not come back for a very long time after the Dominion war, I'd expect the Defiant to have a much stronger positive legacy in ship design than the Galaxy following those events.

War losses, a large Federation with a lot to protect, the difficulty in making un-specialised bleeding-edge of tech large ships like the problems the Constitution, Excelsior, possibly Ambassador and absolutely Galaxy had... All of it points to a logical course of developing smaller ships using their technology to make them very good at one thing with a decent amount of capability in other areas (Defiant, Akira, Intrepid, Nova and so on) or a generalist with a bloody great big replaceable equipment module for specialisation (Nebula).

Agreed, mostly. I just have nitpicks.

The Connie wasn't an all-purpose explorer. She was a warship built to fight the Klingons. The Excelsior was both intended to replace the Constitution, and was a testbed for a transwarp system that was a dead end.

The Galaxy though? She was definitely the "does everything, but excels at nothing" starship. The only reason she was excellent during her first decade was because she was ahead of her time.

With some refits and a reorganization of her purpose, the Galaxy would be a fine ship. According to the tech manual, she can produce antimatter on her own (something few if any starships can/could do), her interior sections are modular, and designed to be easily refitted to suit a particular mission, and she can transport a LOT more people than what we saw in the show if they just maximized persons by volume. She was, at the time, Starfleet's fastest starship too, so... the Galaxy isn't a lost cause, but the way we saw her in TNG wasn't utilizing her to her fullest potential.

But, for the amount of energy and materials necessary to build one (let alone crew one), you could probably build half a dozen Akiras.

The Galaxy was designed both in-universe and out-of-universe for a TNG that was unlike the show we got. It was designed to be a multi-year exploration ship that could operate independently without having to go back to starbases for repair and resupply far longer than any other ship ever could. That's why it feels like a cruise liner inside and why there are families on board. Hell, even the bridge looked more like a lounge than an actual bridge in the early concept art.

It makes sense given the time frame. The Klingons had been pacified (and, in the early seasons, had outright joined the Federation before that was retconned), the Romulans were quiet until S1's finale, and there really just weren't any major threats to deal with, so the Federation figured they were fine just shoving out a bunch of massive deep-space exploration vessels. Then the Romulans woke up, the Borg happened, the Klingons got warlike again, the Cardassians got aggressive, the Dominion happened, and so on. Thus the ships were diversified both for in-universe and out-of-universe reasons as Starfleet need to get its stagnant ass back into gear.

Presumably the J was for the same reasons: the Federation had expanded to cover most of the galaxy, no major threats in the Milky Way, so they started churning out massive deep space exploration vessels that could venture out into other galaxies. Then the Sphere Builders happened.

>Sphere Builders happened

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Apparently, I don't have the reaction image, so we'll have to settle for a filename. But yeah. Recently been rewatching TNG, and it was funny that the early seasons had the Klingons as part of the Federation.

But yes, the Galaxy is a ship designed during peace time, intended for missions of peaceful exploration, diplomatic envoys, colonization, and emergency evacuation.

And it still has enough weapons to make aliens and the amnesiac crew conclude she's a warship.

That concept image though. I'm glad they didn't go with that. It would have been insufferable. More insufferable than Season 1 already is.

For you.

The amount of anal devastation this ship has caused makes it 300% worth it.

It's ugly, and huge, and I can't think of a single person who actually likes the ship based on what we know about it in the canon.

But anal devastation? I can't imagine why anyone would be angry about it, when the T6 Constitution exists.

hey! you leave my ship out of this!

indirectly.
fucking Krenim.

I feel like the Intrepid and Nova were both the perfect size for their missions - long-range exploration no surveillance here at all, officer, and planetary survey. Plus, they were probably about the right size to be comfy as shit but still easy to navigate, Nova in particular.