Warhammer 40,000 General

The release schedule is set. 8e is done already, it has to be in order to meet their deadlines. They're just being cagey.

That's your brain on chaos.

If nothing else we can enjoy the Ynnari book until then

They do take community feedback these days and have told us to give more of it.

You have any proof of that, or is the only source your asshole?

>falling for this damage control
user the edition releases in fucking June. The rulebook is already finished. Have you noticed all of these changes are literally identical to Age of Sigmar? It's not shit they're carefully thinking about and testing, they literally copypasted the AoS rules over. If these are actually the new rules they've had to already begin updating every single army and unit into the new warscroll format with armour save modifiers and movement stats. None of this is subject to change in the slightest.

Honestly Battle Shock for Nids in Synapse should just be a reduction to movement instead of wounds to represent them getting thrown into disarray by being killed faster than they can position themselves.

Oddly enough, had it just been the details about the movement stat being added back and armor save modifiers being a thing again, you'd have a lot more optimism. At most, you would have some shitposting that Orks were going to be 2" movement and Eldar were going to be buffed to 10 or something, but that would be typical.

>I2

Who cares HA!

The only bad one is morale, and it would be dumb to take that out of context with whatever USRs or army rules might alter it. AoS has all sorts of modifications to how Battleshock works for each individual army, and every General by default can issue a command to a unit that lets it ignore Battleshock for that game turn, and I would expect to see that to make an appearance in 8e.

And people who dont play the game but want to shit post on Veeky Forums anyhow.

If 8th is launching in June the rulebook is already written and gone to printers which means none of this is subject to change at all.

>help I can't stop jumping to conclusions

Source? Do you have any source AT ALL for these egregious claims, Chicken Little?

That's true, I agree those are good changes and most people like them.

But porting over word for word the AoS Battleshock, and having charging always strike first, and then the pattern of all of these things being directly pulled out of AoS, is really anxiety inducing.

I'd argue that charging units striking first is pretty bad as well, unless they remembered to actually keep powerfists and the like striking at Initiative 1 anyway.

>these threads are full of shitposting and doom.

user no matter what GW did that would never change.

Youre a fool if you think Veeky Forums is the place to go for anything warhammer rules related.

Do you have any idea how the release pipeline works for a major company like this?

There is no possible way they are still alpha testing rules for an entire edition change 2 months away. It's literally not feasible.

>charging always strike first
>AoS
That's a fantasy thing, and not something I'm really against. Fortune favours the bold, and all that.

Ork players your battered wife syndrome opinion is not wanted. All they need to do is give you an Initiative buff on charging as the army-wide special rule, instead of fucking with the core rules for every single army.

I would suspect so, and being counter-charged or charged when out in the open and just out of range.. combined with simultaneous activations or alternating, like in AoS, its not as damning as you think.

>M characteristic is back
>mfw Necrons will have

Someone give this guy a source that the book is due in June

Also where is the link to this new 8th edition stuff? I'm out of the loop

Age of the Emperor IS happening

Discussing what they COULD have done is pointless

>AoS has all sorts of modifications to how Battleshock works for each individual army

Clearly 8th will too.

Like it or dislike it the rules for morale had to change theyre absolute shit often second only to the army specific rules that modify them.

People are just mad they dont want to take casualties.

Okay but you don't need to defend a bad change just because it helps you, personally, at the expense of the entire system

>waaah my elfdar can't strike first
>waaah my white scars/dangles deathstar can't strike first then hit & run away

I can remember that people were still complaining about that.
> Huurrrr the patriarch is not fat
> hurrr they use mining machines instead of limos
> Guard kitbashing, so lazy GW

Seriously, Veeky Forums is the last place I'd come to for feedback.

>ork players
Swing and a miss.

>instead of fucking with the core rules
This is an actual edition change, which means the core rules themselves are finally getting aired out. As an older player this is not my first rodeo.

Does a power axe go at I1? If it does, wouldn't it almost always be better to take a powerfist? Is the cost the only difference?

t. Necron player who will only be helped by these new charge rules

The loyalist Legions don't exist anymore. So the Death Guard are the 7th of the 9 existing Legions. Plus 7 is the number of Nurgle, so it fits that way too. I'd imagine when Angron is released, World Eaters will be the 8th Legion.

No they're mad because Morale is fucking fine and one of the last things people complain about.

The only thing the game needed in that department was more Pinning and a slight nerf to ATSKNF like giving them an extra dice and removing the highest on Fear tests or something.

There are a fuckton of way more significant major bad problems with the core rules that needed to be addressed which probably fucking wont be.

ORKS AND TYRANIDS NEED TO FUCK EACH OTHER

doesnt matter what I think about the change, its happening. The fact that I benefit is a happy consequence

The only reason it irks me is I'm paying the points for higher initiative since I'm playing Emp's Children. The fact that it doesn't matter until the second round of the fight...

It's like if you didn't get armor saves on the first round of the fight. That's potentially quite a few points you don't get any value out of until round 2, and it makes it really simple for your opponent to plan since they can come at you with anything and their AP and your armor won't really matter.

I'm sure in actual play it won't be as bad, but it just rubs me entirely the wrong way.

Unless it's a 5 page rulebook with digital dataslates for all armies

>Eldar and whitescars
>can't strike first

They will probably have 18' move to make them so. At least eldar of course, all this changes is to change disgusting limit that eldar jetbikes can move only 12' like other bikes - they are eldar* jetbikes, they will have 18'+ move.

*) meanwhile DE bikes still 12'

>Is the cost the only difference?
the power axe can technically be paired with a pistol or regular close combat weapon for a bonus attack

but yes, cost aside the fist is still better

Axes are cheaper and aren't specialist weapons.

Actual elite, high morale armies won't notice it much if at all (see: Stormcast Eternals), saying they won't have a Hero phase that lets them make their army or key units immune to morale damage.

It will suck for low morale ones like Guard or Orks, but I bet they will have HQ choices who will fix it, like Commisars blamming a squad member to ignore catastrophic casualties across multiple units, or Priests buffing their value, or a Warboss making his Boyz shrug it off. In fact, I would expect Orks to get some kind of mechanic where if they do take shooting or morale casualties, they get to make a free out of turn move closer toward the enemy (maybe even pile in automatically)

It's never thematically made sense that a charging unit does not strike first.

>DA BOYZ ARE COMMIN TO MOB YER CHEEZY DEFSTAR HQS user, WHACHA GONNA DO?!

>Also where is the link to this new 8th edition stuff? I'm out of the loop
Please respond

Also apparently Gulliman woke up out of stasis?

yeah. a power axe is just a cheaper worse powerfist.

I'd wait until we see new rules before getting your hopes up/declaring doom. We're in for a massive overhaul and most if not all things are going to change.

It probably is exactly that, and that still means it would need to be done already. That's a LOT more stuff than a core rulebook like we usually get, since it needs a complete overhaul of every single Codex.

warhammer-community.com/2017/03/23/warhammer-40000-news-from-adepticon/

Guilliman came back in The Gathering Storm 3, he has a model and rules now for 40k.

My guess is they may do an AoS and launch with everyone's armies having a barebones translation into 8th edition until they can start releasing new 8th edition codex books.

>grots charging genestealers should strike first
>thinks that makes some kind of thematic sense
Are you high?

>mfw orks and nids will be on top in the new edition

You faggots can taste what its liked to be fucked by the rules for once

Thanks

If Poweraxes don't swing at Initiative 1, then at the very least they're pretty much always superior to every other power weapon, save for perhaps mauls.

If the enemy is weak enough, then you'll kill them off quickly and the lower initiative on the next round won't matter.

If the enemy is more durable, then you're in for a protracted fight, at which point you're also probably durable enough to make use of your axe in the upcoming rounds.

God Tier
Eldar
Tau
Speesh Muhrins

Meh Tier
Everyone else

Shit Tier
Sisters
Orks
Tyranids

Is this list true?

>The only reason it irks me is I'm paying the points for higher initiative since I'm playing Emp's Children. The fact that it doesn't matter until the second round of the fight.
we don't know all the changes yet. There's going to be new armylists for everyone too so if high I is no longer relevant you'll probably not be paying points for it.

this isn't going to be backwards compatible with the codexs like most other eddition changes have. We'll be getting new army rules along with the new core rules.

>It will suck for low morale ones like Guard or Orks, but I bet they will have HQ choices who will fix it

Doesnt change much thematically for them, theyve historically had to deal with LD issues and the rules GW gives them to mitigate Ld checks.

The implementation might suck but i think looking at Ld changes is a good direction to take.

if a terminator can do it, I don't see why the considerably faster grots couldn't

Yes, but there are like 3 or so tiers within meh tier, and also Grey Knights are in the Shit Tier.

For 2 months give or take, yes.

Horus redemption arc soon brothers!

I come from GW to announce that the Lion will go traitor and Horus will return a changed man to lead the imperium. The emperor didnt destory his soul but purified it in a final act of fatherly love for his first and baldest. He now returns to right his wrongs.

Luna Wolves a best legion.

>implying people will play AoS grimdark bogaloo
Good one

Terminators can NOT do it, and never have.

How the fuck do Grots hit something that moves 9 times faster than them, can smell and taste and see and hear them coming before the Grots even know they're there, and have reflexes so fast they literally dodge bullets, battlecannon explosions and flamethrowers?

Yeah, but that also has me worried, since a complete overhaul might just invalidate a bunch of other stuff. I just got Legion tactics after so much waiting, and I'd hate to have it rendered null so soon.

This isn't exactly a confidence booster.

Who charges Grots at Stealers anyway?
The Grots strike first, do fuck all, then get minced by the return attacks.

>ultras have Uncle Bobby G back
>Iron Hands dont even have a special character

It hurts

>You faggots can taste what its liked to be fucked by the rules for once

My body is so ready for 8th

To be fair, even the AoS sigmarines can get messed up by Battleshock. They only have a few heroes who actually give out the morale immunity and most people take lists that don't have them. People may have to actually make a hard choice during list building between having insurance against morale losses or getting sweet unique buffs to (other gimmick)

So why are people ACTUALLY upset at the rules changing? I've played all 3 systems, and AoS was the least shitty to get in to, it was the least shitty to engage in, and the tactical/strategic variety is still there without having lots of arbitrary rules or limitations and it doesn't require you to own 3 books just to be able to field an army

They're really fired up!

Thats because Ferrus was a necron. He deserved to die.

Dunno, but that's what they want charging into close combat to represent.

It's a matter of fucking principal. They shouldn't be hitting first even if they do charge. This has never happened in any edition of 40k, ever. This isn't even like the save modifier change or movement stat change which is going back to 2e, it's just complete lazy horseshit design.

But they will

Does anyone have that Triumvirate Of Shit from a while back with the Swarmlord, Ghazghul and another dude in it?

>Terminators can NOT do it, and never have.
Terminators have been doing it since the 80's. I apologize for not living in the 3e-7e bubble of rules.

>GW's face when whiny nerds believe they have enough self control to stop buying plastic crack because they dont like the new edishun

>The Grots strike first, do fuck all, then get minced by the return attacks.

Then why change the rules to make them strike first at all?

>only three books

I have to take 4-6 every game, not counting my mini-rulebook or BRB, and then a variety of cheat sheets and charts.

40k really needs to be pruned.

>People may have to actually make a hard choice during list building between having insurance against morale losses or getting sweet unique buffs to (other gimmick)

Honestly that doesnt sound so bad, havent played AoS though.

Atm thats pretty much the choice you have with ork Hqs, Grukk to manage mob rule or something else for a gimmick.

Sisters, surprisingly enough, are actually top of the Meh tier

Because 2 of the changes are really, really bad.

Having played enough past editions of 40k I can tell you that you may have found AoS the simplest to learn only because you never played any of the earlier editions that weren't bloated to shit but still managed to have depth, so you don't know what you're missing.

>Thinking ap or power weapons/fist will remain the same
Power weapons will be rend-2 or -3, axes will be -3 - 4 and power fist will deal 1d3 mortal wounds with no save whatsoever, this is reskined AoS don't expect anything beyond that.

youtube.com/watch?v=7dl0OtWqCa0

They're trolling you sad faggots

Because its not a game of just Grots v Stealers.
The mechanic worked well in Fantasy for years. No reason it wont work in 40k

...

>So why are people ACTUALLY upset at the rules changing?

Actually?

Because that what Veeky Forums does

Thats the actually.

I played since 2e, and no Terminators did not hit stealers first. Fighting back then was simultaneous and only the victor got to actually deal damage. Stop making shit up.

Think of it this way, everyone else has to deal with Mob Rule now!

>2 changes are bad
>They're just bad ok?
>No offer of explanation or reasoning

>one build
>he paid a billion dollars for metal figurines to play one viable build

all that 8 needs is a radicall nerfing of tau and eldar as well as a radical simplifacation

Dont worry they'll die along WS, BA, BT and everyone else only hyper ultramarines will survive

>Ork players right now.

youtube.com/watch?v=KT1kNbOhf94

I'm happy with it as long as they keep armor save modifiers reasonable, movement values are actually good and appropriate, and save stacking gets beaten to death so we have less 2+/2++/2+ FNP rerolling jinking Invisiblity snap shot bullshit everywhere