/STG/ - Star Trek General

So does the Federation have the right to impose its will on the Maquis colonies after they willingly left the UFP? Because it seems like they should probably not.

They only really went after the maquis because the maquis started stealing from their legit colonies and transports at gunpoint.

Also they were provoking the Cardassians and violating a treaty. Starfleet HAD to go after them to avoid a war... which Gul Dukat dragged tbe spoonheads into anyways.

Still makes me wonder how well the Maquis would have continued to fare had the Dominion not gotten involved.

I figure if the Cardassians had straight-out invaded the DMZ, the Maquis wouldn't have lasted a week. What I find more surprising is that it doesn't seem like the Maquis came into conflict with Klingons, during their invasion.

If they don't then they're basically giving them up to Cardassian authority, which is even worse for the Maquis.

If anything the Klingons would've left the Maquis alone, maybe even worked together under-the-table since the Maquis were against both the Cardassians and the Federation, same as the Klingons. Would've been interesting to see an episode where a Maquis-controlled colony is secretly operating as a Klingon base. Definitely some lost potential on that front.

Hell, I can see the Klingons actually respecting the Maquis. They are simply fighting for their homes and families against threats much greater than they. By Klingon standards that's honorable as fuck.

The Maquis were basically space anclaps screeching about Starfleet violating the NAP.

Worf didn't think so about the Maquis in "For the Cause". He specifically called them terrorists and dishonorable.

Yeah but that was Worf, pretty much every real Klingon thinks he's a weirdo.

Touche. However it is still funny that he always represents Klingoness in ST, even though he is very much an atypical Klingon.

Worf's perspective is also very much skewed by being raised in the Federation. He sees Starfleet as being mighty and honorable, and therefore the Maquis are dishonorable and treacherous simply because they go against the Federation.

Which makes scenes like in "Birthright" all that much more hilarious. We have one of the most non-Klingon Klingons lecturing actual Klingons and their Romulan hybrid offspring on what it means to be Klingon.

I mean, it kinda makes sense in that Worf is a "rules as written" kind of guy. He lived his life following the code that Klingons say they follow. Not his fault that the Klingons themselves don't follow it as well as they claim to.

Acts of terrorism in order to defeat a superior foe? Of course the Empire would be all over that. They're the ones that use cloaked ships, after all.

>The Maquis were basically space anclaps screeching about Starfleet violating the NAP.
u wot
>be federation citizen
>make a colony on an unclaimed world
>be there 20 years
>cardies and feds have a war near you; worrying, but until they actually get to your world it's none of your concern
>feds negotiate your world away to the cardies for no good reason
>tell you to leave or live under the cardies
>they don't want you there, but can't force you out either
>continue living on your world that you built up, but now with new neighbors
>new neighbors and government oppress you and shoot at you
>this violates the treaty
>tell federation to do something about it
>lol no muh treaty
>take action to defend self
>NOW starfleet does something - against you
>muh treaty
>wtf
>twll starfleet to stuff it, continue to take action against scaly faggots
>spoonheads say this is a treaty violation, start hunting you, violating treaty themselves
>starfleet helps them anyways

>muh ancap

Uses for a photon torpedo not sanctioned by Starfleet.

Breaching tool.

Snake habitat

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>VOY S3E15
>hydrazine leak in a shuttle
It's CURRENT STARDATE, why is hydrazine still used as a power source?

Emergency thrusters, since it can decompose to produce gas+heat without any other substance being added or the external application of energy?

Prophecy fulfilment and generally fucking with the beliefs of barbarians

>>new neighbors and government oppress you and shoot at you

What makes the Maquis ambiguous and interesting is that we'll never know whether the shooting came before or after the violent rebellion started. The Cardies will *always* give you one answer, and the Maqs will *always* give you another. It's very compelling.

I grew up in the shadow of a similar conflict. Both sides are right in their own minds. Worse still, they both think they're being reasonable, that it's the other side's fault that things have come to violence. The truth is rarely so black and white.

It was likely a gradual escalation. It starts with petty bickering, land disputes. Then the Cardassians curtail the Maquis from importing certain equipment essential for colony maintenance. The Maquis start smuggling in equipment. The Cardies start introducing the Maqs to their justice system.the Maqs start smuggling weapons. The Cardies encourage their police forces to press the Maqs. The Maquis start publicly protesting. The Cardies see this as a prelude to open rebellion.

In the end it doesn't matter who shot first. There were 2 dancers on that tango from the beginning.

Shooting first.

Orbital bombardment.

>fed citizens to begin with
>colonies wouldn't have been there in the first place without fed involvement
>muh colony we not real fed we gud boyz
>demand extraterritoriality despite living in cardie space
>get mad when cardies tell you to live by cardie laws while living in cardie space
>go whining back to the feds you left
>get buttmad when feds laugh in your face
Even the Bajorans had a point because they didn't exactly agree to get invaded, but the Maquis always struck me as hypocritical and full of shit.

bitch please

Step back, you little shits!

>The Romulan raptor clutches the Klingon empire in front of it, almost like a meat shield that can be discarded when no longer necessary.

Sounds about right.

>Gets access to a ship approximately a century in advance of it's current tech level.
>hasn't made any significant improvements to the design a century later.
>Gets assfucked into oblivion by Klingons and Cardassians soon thereafter.

Hiding cryopods

Gorn dildo.

Just throwing this out there, but maybe just maybe humans need to relax their manifest destiny boner a bit and stop planting a flag on every M-class world they encounter- particularly those that are closer to the space inhabited by other civilizations than to their own.

You think they might have learned this after Cestus III, or the colony that nearly got glassed for being in Sheliak space, or the colonies near the Klingon and Romulan borders that are threatened every time diplomatic relations with those powers break down.

Nope, never gonna happen, because the Federation is and has always been the United States of America in Space. Manifest Destiny is in their blood and bones.

>not using "the plight of your helpless colonists" as a moral obligation to go to war and expand your territory.

It's like you don't even expansionist state, bro.

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It's implied that the conflict, and any sort of border tensions with the opposing power, came well after the initial colonisation.

>particularly those that are closer to the space inhabited by other civilizations than to their own
So they should just not colonize anything that someone else might someday maybe want to claim as their own?

>particularly those that are closer to the space inhabited by other civilizations than to their own.

Spoken like a true shitlib cuck.

Klingon tailpipe stuffer

Sounds more like a Vulcan, actually. Pre-Federation Vulcans were near-complete isolationists.

side note: just rewatchted the Enterprise episode "Stigma" and picked up on the Phlox's wife subplot. I wonder if Starfleets promiscuity was inherited from Denobulans

Probably, to both.

What does libertarianism have to do with it? To me that sounds like SJW progressivism.

A libertarian wouldn't give two shits about where some colonists went off to, so long as they planet they went to wasn't inhabited already. But that's not the scenario being discussed.

Do SJW's even have any sort of foreign policy? This isn't any sort of modern phenomenon. Isolationism has been espoused conservatives, liberals, socialists and even fascists over the years.

There's no doubt a Federation political class that an end to expansionism would mean an end to the wars the UFP has to face. Evidently, at least during the Cardassian War, they were in the minority.

>I wonder if Starfleets promiscuity was inherited from Denobulans
No, it was inherited from Gene Roddenberry.

>Do SJW's even have any sort of foreign policy?

Usually "embrace literally everything" with occasional and inconsistent rejections of certain elements of external culture.

I know ENT wasn't that well received but I'm kind of surprised there aren't porn parodies of it anywhere.

>Do SJW's even have any sort of foreign policy?
Cultural imperialism, primarily targeted at "privileged" countries.

I feel sorry for Hoshi's actress getting reduced to literally comfort girl on more than one occasion.

So, have any of you ever written any passable fanfic?

They would be against the supposedly imperialist practice of colonizing abandoned but useful planets. It's neoneocolonialism man.

I'm not sure that there's evidence to support that, given the entirely disparate set of circumstances. And trying to transplant modern politics onto a problem set 350 years in the future is like asking an English settler in Appalachia to make heads or tails of modern American politics.

nana visitor just keeps getting hotter the more old she gets.

>you will never be admiral Kira's personal masseuse

Why even live?

Anyone got the DS9 episode guide image?

Yeah her character was totally wasted for the most part. They really should have gone all the way and had soap opera sex scenes in show really.

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>literally comfort girl
Did we ever find out what happened to Empress Sato after the god tier mirror episodes?

No joke, she marries Shran. At least in the novels.

Man that is a really good list. Is there one for TNG too?

why yes there is

Thank you for these.

Any others exist?

May as well dump the other 2

Well that answers that question

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It bugs me that the Voyager guide is incomplete. I've been considering creating a complete guide, though that would require fully re-watching Voyager. Similarly I've been thinking about making one for enterprise. At least that one would be shorter.

That list is away more forgiving of a lot of shit episodes than I'd ever be.

Aside from the sheer memery of Threshold which, imho, isn't exactly that much worse than WHAT IS BRAIN or [riker flashbacks intensify], I'm kinda pissed that they didn't cover the rest of the show.

Right? I get that it's down to whoever made the list, but I'd just suck it up and finish the list.

Come to think of it, I'd say that it under-rates a lot of good episodes too.
Needs an additional category between bad and okay of just 'boring' I'd say. There's a lot of episodes that don't really count as okay but they're not really offensive enough to be outright bad, given how awful bad episodes of star trek can get.
Like half of season 1 TNG is in the territory of being boring, and then there's the really obnoxiously bad stuff.

Fuck it, Voyager's scale could do with maybe three different tiers of bad just to indicate how far down into the dregs that show gets. A lot of it is bad in the boring, frustrating, same old shit done badly yet again way, and that needs differentiation from the spectacular turds that make you have everything and everyone involved in their creation.

Might as well just steal from an already existing episode guide, there's been a few.

>Balance of Terror isn't 'Great'

Overall though, these are really solid reviews and the descriptions are amazing.

>TFW Captain Kirk with a power ring.
You know this actor would not have been a bad GL.

I would say that's what the importance scale differentiates. A none-okay is generally boring, whereas a minor-okay is at least passable.

That looks terrible. Kirk is obviously Pine, but Hal Jordan is obviously a cartoon.

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>Kirk seeks to militarise and modernise a society that Starfleet thinks is pre-industrial, in order to fight the Klingons (Errand of Mercey)
>This is apparently fine

stuffing full of mutant carnivorous tribbles to use as a biological weapon against a terran empire ship..or so ive heard.

I'd say importance indicates the importance of it to establishing the setting, reoccurring pro/antagonists and continued story arcs.

TNG for example had a lot of stuff that would come up again in reference even though it didn't do big planned arcs, just lots of personal story arcs. Naked The Naked Now is minor/okay (should be 'leftover script from Phase II tier' aka crap.) but has minor importance because it established Data was capable of banging out like everyone else and established the important to Data relationship of Yar to him, which popped up in much better stories later on. That's why it's 'importance' not a quality modifier.

Such as? May as well post em here.

Oh god what.

Weren't the Klingons even supplying the Maquis with weapons at some point early on?

I think the cute Vulcan girl was trying to buy Klingon weapons via Quark.

And what a cutie she was. Shame about the whole Maquis thing.

Maybe she didn't die but was instead captured by Orion pirates and sold as a sex slave.

Yeah, TOS Era Starfleet were all about arming the natives to use against Klingons (and other natives)

So... The British and French Empires then?

>they don't know how ridiculously heavy-handed Trek's always been with social/political commentary