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Going to start dumping what lists I can see on the FB group. Take note that this tournament was run without the Experimental Rules packet.

Adepticon 2nd Place Shaltari - 1250pts
Shaltari - 0 launch assets

SR17 Flag battlegroup (350pts)
1 x Diamond - 270pts - S
+ Star Shaman (20pts, 2AV)
2 x Opal - 80pts - L

SR9 Line battlegroup (160pts)
1 x Emerald - 100pts - M
3 x Voidgate - 45pts - L
1 x Voidgate - 15pts - L

SR13 Line battlegroup (245pts)
1 x Emerald - 100pts - M
3 x Voidgate - 45pts - L
1 x Emerald - 100pts - M

SR9 Line battlegroup (175pts)
3 x Voidgate - 45pts - L
1 x Voidgate - 15pts - L
1 x Turquoise - 115pts - M

SR6 Pathfinder battlegroup (108pts)
6 x Glass - 108pts - L

SR4 Pathfinder battlegroup (192pts)
2 x Amethyst - 96pts - L
2 x Amethyst - 96pts - L

Any of you fags know what shipping time from Hawk website is for best coast, NorthAm?

And is there any issue with using a debit card to pay direct in another currency?

It was three days from the Queen's Land to best state of best coast gulf coast, so I'd assume 4, 5 days, at the max for you.

Kickstarter replacement parts took a week from acknowledgement of the request to delivery, and that was to Alaska.

Some banks will block transactions based on the nation the payment is going to - in my case, the UK.

Paying for the Kickstarter was a fun process.

>Diamond
>2 Opal
>2 Emerald
>12 Voidgat
>1 Turquoise
>6 Glass
>4 Amethyst
Well, it's still the normal cheese, but at least it's not the super cheese.

Hopefully the Diamond nerfs will make them less of an autoinclude.

One thing I've noticed is that Shaltari need to investsignificantly more of their list into troops than other factions in order to reach a comfortable level. The standard 3 Emerald 9 Voidgate is more than 400 points, compared to the 250-300 investment for 8 strike carriers or 6 with a troopship (PHR heavy combat super troopships notwithstanding)

I think the original intention was for the standard to be 2 Emeralds per list, but that's often just not enough. Voidgate networks working the way they do just make things worse by encouraging spam so your network is harder to shut down. Really it's no surprise that there's less variance in Shaltari lists than with other factions.

11 spaceflower

Oh yeah also you got your numbers wrong. It's 3 Emeralds and 11 Voidgates.

With the NY buffs, is Platinum now the worst BB? I never see people play Moscow with those solid cannons.

Then again, post buff NY still isnt that great.

No, Platinum has always been solid. It was just overshadowed by Diamond bullshit.

Worst BB is the Dragon. More expensive than Daemon while trading excellent guns for a measly 3 launch and a couple of the worst torpedoes in the game.

One (almost) down, three to go; apologies for the utterly shit quality.

>1 Moscow (turreted)
>1 Berlin (turreted)
>1 Seattle (turreted)
>1 Avalon
>1 Atlantis (miscast ventral prow, need a new one)
>3 New Cairo
>1 San Francisco
>4 Toulon (2 Turreted)
>6 New Orleans (2 Turreted)
>4 Lima
>2 Jakarta

I was an idiot and turreted a starter's box worth of stuff before I realized that, hey, painting this is gonna be kinda hard now. Ah well, live and learn.

Early morning bump, don't let the thread die again you idiots.

What are their names, user?

I've got a few ideas floating around, but I'll post them tommorow. I posted them once before on the thread, but I wasn't entirely happy with them.

Prepare for the arrival of OG Salakahn, realest motherfucker on Eden Prime.

Yeah, how is Salakahn in Resistance? I'm a fan of stupid big tanks, so I was considering him.

Just a heads up to whoever makes the next thread, I've updated the files available in the first mediafire link, so it should have all of the phase two and dropfleet stuff included now.

So we can remove the links below it? Sounds good, user.

t. phase 2 and dropfleet guy

Lurker courtesy bump

He is OK. zhis tank is pretty much unkillable... but he does have a hilarious card where he executes an underling for failing him for the last time to get rerolls.

Alright, here we go:

>Atlantis and Avalon are respectively named Atlantis and Avalon because muh fluff

Moscow class heavy cruiser "Taurus"
Berlin class cruiser "Hot Knife"
Seattle class fleet carrier "Martial Queen"
San Francisco class troopship "Cortez"
New Cairo class light cruiser "King's Ace"
New Cairo class light cruiser "Snake Eyes"
New Cairo class light cruiser "Third Time's a Charm"

Toulon class frigate "David"
Toulon class frigate "Lion's Thorn"
Toulon class frigate "Centurion"
Toulon class frigate "Crusader"

Jakarta class frigate "Iron Maiden"
Jakarta class frigate "Halo"

Lima class frigate "Spirit of the Radio"
Lima class frigate "Limelight"
Lima class frigate "Freewill"
Lima class frigate "Leyline"

New Orleans class strike carrier "Trojan"
New Orleans class strike carrier "Eclipse"
New Orleans class strike carrier "Crusader"
New Orleans class strike carrier "Unto the Breach"
New Orleans class strike carrier "Valkyrie"
New Orleans class strike carrier "Ferryman"

How are they, /dcg/?
Guess my favorite band

Oh, the Berlin is supposed to be named "Glaive", not "Hot Knife"

>tfw you're autism kills the thread

It's been a slow week here. I'd be posting fleet names myself if I wasn't so ADHD towards committing to ideas.

Reminds me of naming chaos ships after Gamma Ray songs and Imperial ships after Iron Maiden tracks in battlefleet Gothic armada.

I've got a list of sinister/dangerous sounds for my scourge scoring ships, and a naming scheme for my UCM frigates, but everything else is kind of take-it-as-they-come.

>tfw you just noticed you named two ships Crusader
rip

Toulon class frigate "Minuteman"*

Yeah, as much as the thread likes to joke about it, the UCM seem far more likely to do joke/funny names for their ships than the PHR would.

I need to tool out names for my UCM, and for the new scourge I've got. Ideas so far are

Gargoyles - Plaguebearer, Yersinia
Hydra - Ill Wind
Ifrit - Lance of Moloch
Shenlong (maybe a Sphinx or Raiju, not sure yet) - Fever Dream

Seattle - Shieldbearer
Lima - Eye of Truth, Huginn

Just have a Moscow, SanFran, Berlin, Madrid, two Nawlins, three Toulon, and eventually a pair of Saratoga left to christen before I pick up the next box of stuff.

Then it comes time to get a UCM frigate box, two PHR and Shaltari starters, a space station pack, one of each ground sector pack...and then to finish the scourge crabling swarm before moving on to UCM tanks...

I don't have a problem. Honest.

PHR do avant garde jokes and allusion.
UCM do crude 'jokes'.

Use various cultural demons for scourge ships. Theres hundres of them. I'd be more interested in engaging the Azrubael, Asura and Maab, than shit named Darkness Plaguewind. That sounds like more AoS rejects.

>ha, this joke is so avant garde and allusive that none other than my space self can decipher its meaning!
>one thousand slavish space hours were spent on its construction, but at the sight of such perfection all such toil is almost forgotten (not that a post-human such as myself could ever forget so easily, unless of course that is our space intention)
>truly we are so superior to baselines that even mine own incredible space mind can hardly comprehend it.

Space 10/10

>Reconquista class reconquesters

>3 Emerald and an appropriate number of Void gates
>cheese
pick one

Sorry, I had miscounted the number of Emeralds and not!ships; 3 to 11 is fine. 2 to 12 is semi cheesy.

Speaking of Emeralds and voidgates; the following, y/n?

>Emeralds up to Gate 4 from Gate 3
>Emeralds up to 120 from 100
>Voidgate's group value changed from 1-3 to 2-4

>helps reduce overall emerald numbers
>voidgates take up less light slots, allowing for more frigates
>Shaltari ground becomes slightly more points efficient while concentrating more of their assets in fewer ships

I think that would give the Shaltari light cruisers space to shine as well. Right now you can bring 2 light cruisers or pay 30 points or so and get 2 emeralds instead and that feels a bit absurd.

...

My Basilisk already stole "Angra Mainyu" from my battleship list.

youtube.com/watch?v=TZ42Xb-_9mQ

May as well take a crack at naming my ships:

Berlin-class Cruiser: Noxmillien
Seattle-class Cruiser: Seraphine
Moscow-class Cruiser: Charibert

Brisbane-class Destroyer (prototype): Taikartio

New Orleans-class Strike Carrier: Forseti
New Orleans-class Strike Carrier: Muspell
Toulon-class Frigate: Curtana
Toulon-class Frigate: Tyrfing

>Noxmillien
twenty minutes

>Toulon-class Frigate: Curtana
Motherfucker. I was going to name all my Toulons (and possibly Taipeis) after the paladin's swords.

...

Hahaha, another fan I see. In that case, I might switch to another class of weapon, perhaps lances.

Keep Curtana. I was going to go for Durandal and Cortana for the first two and then bait people out and go "AIs? Don't be such an uncultured plebe, the third one's going to be Jouyeaux, not Shodan. :^)"

Not actually, but don't knock it. Don't know of mythic shields for Taipeis though.

...

You mean Jakartas? Daggers or something would be more fitting for Taipeis.

D'oh, you caught me. Exactly. I was thinking of daggers too offhand, but I don't have any Taipeis in the 1250 list I'm aiming for.

Shields:
>Ancile, Svalinn, Pridwen/Prytwen, Srivatsa, Duban, Khetaka, Aigis

Finally got my Heracles and its attendant fleet airbrushed the most hot-rod of reds today. Pics once I have some decent details down!

I've just been naming my ships after power metal songs

God bless.

so would that be UCM style or PHR? Cuz for someone living in 2200 I could see a PHR guy being a hipster about the older music, but the UCM guy could espouse it as the ultimate form of music as well.

Potentially both. I'm just doing various rock songs for my UCM.

I think they'd suit UCM more. I feel like PHR would consider a lot of power metal titles to be a bit too 'crude' or 'brutish', which conversely would be right up the UCM's alley.

If you wanna go a hipster route, PHR might do well with alternative rock titles. Or if you wanna go esoteric, there's tons of sub-genres full of strange and obscure bands with equally odd music titles that could serve as ship names.

>Calypso class frigate "Temple of Syrinx"

...

I'm worried, though, because I'm going to have like half the models on the field any given opponent is. It seems like it'd be a bit of a bad time.

Ship names? Ship names
Beijing: "Wu Cheng'en"
Atlantis: "Atlantis"
Moscow: "Valentina Tereshkova"
Rio: "Anita Garibaldi"
Berlin: "Bismark"
San Francisco: "Sally Ride"
San Francisco: "Richard Nixon"
Madrid: "Philip II"
Seattle: (Named after my fiance, I ain't telling you bitches)
Jakarta: "Eddy Martadinata"
Jakarta: "Antasari"
New Orleans: "Claire Lee Chennault"
New Orleans: "P.G.T. Beauregard"
Lima: "Carlos Noriega"
Lima: "Mango Capac"
Taipei: "Wen Ho Lee"
Taipei: "Sun Yat-sen"
Toulon: "d'Artagnan"
Toulon: "Richelieu"

I enjoy figuring out fun names for Spacebotes, so...
So my UCM Fleet: (Task Force 54)

>Battle Squadron 1
Battle Division 54.11
UCMS Warspite (Beijing)
UCMS Kongo (Tokyo)

Fast Battle Divison 54.12
UCMS Atlantis (Altantis-Flag)
UCMS Avalon (Avalon)

>Cruiser Squadron 2
Heavy Cruiser Division 54.21
UCMS Thunderchild (Moscow)
UCMS Indefatigable (St. Pete)

Fleet Cruiser Squadron 54.22
UCMS Lohengramm (Berlin)
UCMS Sheridan (Rio)

>Cruiser Squadron 3 (Detatched Duty)
Detatched Scout Cruiser Squadron (54.31)
UCMS Emden (Osaka)
UCMS Olympia (Osaka)
UCMS Harry Flashman (Lima)

Detached Hunter-Killer Squadron (54.32)
UCMS Soyokaze (Saratoga)
UCMS Defiant (Saratoga)
UCMS Brunhilde (Saratoga)
UCMS Edmund Blackadder (Lima)
UCMS William Baldrick (Jakarta)

>Carrier Group 4
Fast Carrier Division (TF54.41)
UCMS Concordia (Seattle)
UCMS Galatea (Seattle)
UCMS Protector (Jakarta)

>Fleet Escort Flotilla 5.
Fotward Attack Squadron (TF54.51)
UCMS Wiseau, McCormick, Stark, Fokker, Daigoji and Washbourne (Taipei)

Close Picket Squadron (TF54.52)
UCMS Dodger Bank, UCMS Corregidor, UCMS Cape St. Vincent, UCMS Genoa (Toulon)

Detatched Scout Squadron (TF54.53)
UCMS Luna City, UCMS Legrange 5, UCMS Austerlitz, UCMS Agincourt

>Invasion Force
Primary Landing Element (TF54.91)
UCMS Rico, Kusanagi, Shepard, O'Neill, Hudson, Connor, Amuro (New Orleans)
UCMS Jack Churchill (San Francisco)
UCMS Bonaparte (Madrid)

Atmospheric Superiority Flotilla (TF54.92)
UCMS Rickenbacker, Hartmann, Leonov, Liwei, Grissom, Bershankskya(Santiago)

>UCMS Harry Flashman (Lima)

Shared world because after all, Hawk is a true Briton, or a consequence of having to reconstruct human history from the contents of refugee's cellphones and some exhausted 19-year old data archivist between joints and on half rations flagged it as "biography, pre-EAA, pre-Era of Shortage, military, European Administrative Area"?

>nobody is quite sure why the captains of the UCMS Harry Flashman and PHRS McAuslan took their frigates out of line for a duel to the death in the 4th Battle of Shangri-La, but they seemed to know what they were doing
>being a Lima vs. a Calypso it actually lasted longer than the battle proper, but when other ships offered to intervene, they were informed they would "wade in blood first".

Is it too late to buy the Saratoga?

You're in luck. Unlike all of the other online store releases, the Saratoga is available until the 21st of next month for purchase on their webstore.

That said, did anyone else see the 30mm scale Ares-class battle walker model on the site? It's under Accessories for some reason. Have to say though, it's a nice piece, and fully articulated.

Should I buy three?

They operate in groups of 2-3, so if you have the funds I'd say 3. That way you're set for the minimum, but can take a full group if you want

I don't even have a list that uses them, or plans to include them and I still want three.

>he (presumably) plays UCM
>doesn't have a squadron of new cairos
wut

Thinking of getting into Dropfleet.

how essential is magnetizing your ships? Also, is PHR a best? They're gorgeous models, definitely my favorite in the line.

Actually, while we're on the subject, can someone redpill me on New Cairos (or any ship centered around it's laser weapon)? I'm new to the game, and while I've played a match, I've yet to see any such ships in use. Are they as tricky to use as they look like they'd be on paper?

Nontrivial, but there are guides.
PHR were my favorite too, until I got a look at the others in the plastic.

I'm unconvinced on CLs in general. NCs in particular, since I'm not sure I want my lasers to rush at the enemy faster.

Don't rush, flank and use the double turn order to snipe

Alright. Is 3 really necessary? Are they better than Osakas?

Not at all, and it's kind of tricky to do so, but it's certainly useful.

>Also, is PHR a best?
They're pretty damn good; arguably have the best heavy cruiser in the game, excellent launch assets, but there's contention as to weather their broadsides are good enough or not.

Not at all, with 45 degree turning, lasers are pretty easy to use. They're just big guns that necessitate a little bit more finesses and reservation in moving.

You don't take NC's for their speed, you take them for their cost. 3 lasers at 258 is much more efficient than 2 lasers at 210.

Right, but at the reduced cost, you have higher speed and have to move faster toward your targets.

An extra 1" minimum per activation is marginal, at best.

Are Scourge Stalkers at all worth it? I want to try running Cavebreaker for thematic reasons, but Hunters have been doing me wonders in the past and a 4" move and 9" range really seems just horrible. What am I missing?

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BUZZ BUZZ, MUHFUGGAS - 1248pts
UCM - 15 launch assets

SR10 Vanguard battlegroup (205pts)
1 x Johannesburg - 205pts - H
+ UCM Vice-Admiral (80pts, 4AV)

SR10 Line battlegroup (264pts)
1 x Seattle - 132pts - M
1 x Seattle - 132pts - M

SR10 Line battlegroup (264pts)
1 x Seattle - 132pts - M
1 x Seattle - 132pts - M

SR7 Line battlegroup (175pts)
1 x San Francisco - 111pts - M
2 x New Orleans - 64pts - L

SR5 Pathfinder battlegroup (130pts)
2 x New Orleans - 64pts - L
3 x Santiago - 66pts - L

SR5 Pathfinder battlegroup (130pts)
2 x New Orleans - 64pts - L
3 x Santiago - 66pts - L
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>this thread keeps itself in activity by sheer force of anger alone

So, then, what factions do you play? I've been looking to pick some DzC-player brains, but all I can find are DFC players.

The main issue with NCs is that they're prone to going down like little bitches since they're priority targets that aren't tough enough to deal with being priority targets. Still great ships, but the ravings about them being better than Berlins forever and ever aren't all true.

The speed isn't much of an issue though. It's 1 inch.

No. Yes.

I actually prefer to take 2 rather than 3, I find that to be the sweet spot for a lot of ships. Taking 3 is like taking 6 Taipeis, sure it's nice to still have good firepower after taking a casualty, but you may not have gotten that casualty in the first place if you didn't have a big mass of glass cannons basically begging the enemy to shoot them. Being feared is a bad thing for NCs, you want to minimise that so people don't try to kill them as much.

Osakas are dedicated flankers in contrast with the brawlers that are other gun ships. Their main appeal over Toulons in that role is that they're harder to take out and their 3+ guns are better at dealing with lock penalties (can be surprisingly important for flanking shenanigans), but the frigates are still better in a lot of cases because they're cheaper.

I'm currently sitting on a single 2player starterset (assembled default) and I have a friend who I can unload the extra rulebook/tokens on.

Anything I'm overlooking?

It seems so absurd that getting two starter sets, a rulebook, and a set of tokens is cheaper than getting two starters sets.
Dave, pls. Discount or bundle option.

Looks fine to me, all together it provides enough ships for a healthy fleet on both sides.

I'm worried about the extra 250 points in NCs for UCM, but figure I can proxy my Shenlong as a Basilisk/Akuma until BCs get released?
I have a very strong idea about how to build my UCM, but much less for Scourge. resisting the urge to toss in another starter set for more ships

You don't necessarily have to chunk the Saratogas in right away. As you said, that is 250ish points of ship right there above your Scourge fleet, but you can always mix and match, or use it for independent purposes.

Could also just get a Scourge cruiser box and make....whatever passes for a NC among jellies.

Am I missing something or are Ganymedes not too hot under the experimental rules? Lowering the point value of clusters you're currently dropping troops off in seems counterproductive.

Why were you taking them over Orpheii in the first place?

I haven't used them and I'm looking for excuses to since I like how the bombardment batteries look but the rules aren't making it easy to justify.

It's just one more thing to add to the list. Ganymede being more expensive than Orph is very strange, considering the inferior against everything guns and the fact that usually trading your weapons for bombardment (and mediocre bombardment at that) comes with a discount.

If the foe is concentrating their forces in one sector then destroying it before landing is often a good idea, especially if it's an industrial sector that lessens your weight of numbers. Blowing up defence batteries is pretty much required before you start landing troops as well. The role hasn't changed much, the real problems arise when you remember that Ganymede isn't actually good at bombardment and it sure as hell isn't worth any points over an Orpheus.