Is Leandros right? Is Guilliman corrupted by Chaos?

Is Leandros right? Is Guilliman corrupted by Chaos?

>Thinking the Spiritual Liege can be corrupted
Trying to sow seeds of doubt, heretic?

Yes and no. It's a good rule of thumb for regular people and Astartes, but exceptional individuals can rape the warp and still have shiny golden cocks. See most of the Grey Knights.

Didn't the Emperor got his powers and made the Primarchs based on a deal, which he violated, he made with the Chaos Gods? The whole Imperium is the result of the Emperor thinking he could make a faustian deal, con some eldritch abominations, and get away unscathed.

>Spiritual Liege
That's Calgar.
Not Guilliman

Leandros is a chump Codex-bumper and Guilliman would be ashamed of him.

The Emperor's powers and intelligence come from the fact that he is many powerful souls made one. What fluff we have on the matter (very old fluff mind you) says that the during the beginning of mankind's history, psyker souls were being devoured by the chaos gods so mankind could not protect itself from the forces of chaos. So many of the world's psykers got together and killed themselves en masse. The huge torrent of souls was too great to be destroyed, so instead of passing on, they merged their souls into one of great power and reincarnated themselves as the being we know as the God Emperor.

true but supposedly that lore was retconned and now we just don't know.

>Didn't the Emperor got his powers and made the Primarchs based on a deal, which he violated, he made with the Chaos Gods?
>Believing the same bullshit that drove Horus to Chaos
Come to the side of Law.

>Didn't the Emperor got his powers and made the Primarchs based on a deal, which he violated, he made with the Chaos Gods?
According to Black Library. But Black Library is run by chaosfags, and their chief editor wrote Mortarion's Heart, the interview for which, he said he retconned the event because it offended his chaos fanboy sensibilities.

They literally cannot be trusted, because they literally retcon the setting based on their own personal preferences.

Always do the opposite of what eldar say...

>SPEHSS MEHREEN: THE GAEM

SEQUEL WHEN?!?!?!

Never. Any hopes of a sequel to Space Marine died with THQ. Relic is busy with DoW3 now. How well DoW3 does will probably determine if Relic lives or dies as a game dev. If it makes you feel any better, the idea for the sequel was absolute dogshit. One of the writers for the first game said in an interview that Titus would have "gone rogue" and escaped from the Inquisition so he could go on a crusade of vengeance to prove his innocence. It's better for his story to end where it did.

You say that in hindsight but forget that Space Marine was "just a game" about going to a forge world to kill Orks and then getting tricked into summoning Chaos and fighting them.

Now that doesn't make the games plot sound too good but it was.

>YFW Black Library was made by Tzeentch as a middle finger to Cegorach for dumping a bucket on his head that one time.

Yes

I dunno, I always liked the random joke idea that the Ultramarines hid Titus within their ranks under the new name of Cato Sicarius.

Well, fully half of them threw their lot in with the Dark Gods originally.

Yes he is tainted, but fear not, its not chaos corruption, its desire of soft Eldar butts.

As amusing as that is, Titus probably ended up in a Deathwatch chapter and is busy fighting Chaos in the Cadian sector.

>exact same rank
>exact same company
>hiding

Shit job of hiding.

Unf.

Leandros was a little shit and little shits are never right

Someone already said it in another thread. He misspoke, he meant to say UNSHAVED. Hence Guilliman being bald.

It doesnt even matter if hes right, you take him to a fucking chaplain, not the inquisition. What a fucking dick leandros

Librarians police chaos corruption. Chaplains police resolve and PTSD.

The point still stands that it should have been handled within the chapter. Leandros was in the wrong

Im positive chaplains do stuff too, corruption starts in the mind after all.

Regardless

Leandros was just trying to get back at Titus for getting his helmet broken.

>Im positive chaplains do stuff too
Yeah, regular mental stuff. Avitus, for example, was a failure of the Chaplains.

Leandros needs to be punished by Military Policer.

Avitus would pass any standard chaplain test. He was not lacking for zeal or loyalty to the chapter in any way., his only disturbing tendency being to look down on the Astra Militarum. His downfall was the fact that his absolute loyalty to his chapter master completely eroded his faith in the Emperor.

That was a unique circumstance, as Kyras turned almost the entire first company to Chaos and had more than half of the chapter annihilated in campaigns which pitted Astartes against the Militarum unnecessarily.

Leandros was just a big crybaby who couldn't handle the shit he was being put through.

Leandros is a Codex banging fool who doesn't even understand the soul of the book he uses in place of higher thought processes.
People touch the warp unscathed all the time.
See: Functional Psykers, including Astropaths, Navigators, Librarians
See: Anyone that fights with a Demon, Psyker or Sorceror
See: Blanks doing their thing
See: /Literally/ /Anyone/ /With/ /A/ /Soul/

His entire speech, IIRC, as a traitor was about how there was no hope or point in trying to defend the Imperium because it was just one ruined battlefield after another.

Which is exactly the kind of thinking the Chaplain is meant to rectify.

Chaplains aren't mind readers. Avitus was quite boisterous about his loyalty to the chapter and his zeal in killing the alien, the mutant, and the heretic. Avitus put up an act and the act sold so well that it took a fucking Scooby Doo fact finding expedition across an entire star system to uncover it. Nobody had legitimate reasons to suspect Avitus enough to report him to a chaplain, and people who were in the know concerning Avitus were all traitors.

He could be an immortal superhuman that could punch out C'tan entities and bury them under Mars even before setting foot on Molech but only true gods have the power to create souls. That was the power he borrowed and why only after Molech he was a true god in his own right.
Remember in the WH40K universe, all attempts to artificially create life by means such as cloning are doomed to fail because they lack souls.

That it wasn't detected is a separate issue, from a technical, codex-thumping point of view, it's the Chaplains job to fix that.

Librarians are responsible for the kind of chaos corruption that infects the soul itself, the stuff the Inquisition exterminates populations to be rid of. Which, of course, is what Leandros was accusing Titus of.

Yea that always really bugged me.
Had he just gone his entire career without seeing any librarians or wondering how they got around space so quickly?

It's probably just the typical "Hur dur all psykers are mutant skum hurr". But that's pretty out of character for the bois in blu. Really he's just an idiot that should be put back in the 10th to actually learn how to be a marine.

>all attempts to artificially create life by means such as cloning are doomed to fail because they lack souls

I know for a fact that a significant number of Skitarii are vat-grown or cloned, and I thought it was implied that Krieg uses similar methods to produce its troops. And if you need Gods to create souls, why didn't they just stop making human souls on planets controlled by the Emperor at the start of the Great Crusade? And how do Blanks work, if you can't grow organisms without souls?

Vat-grown is not the same as cloning. It's like test tube babies.

>clone a generic cannon fodder faggot
>he does fine for a couple months to years
>suddenly dies horribly
>business as usual

Compared to clones of heroes like Macharius. Do well for a while then die horribly and fail. Both are the same result, you only notice the drawbacks of cloning with the latter example.

Wait, so growing an organism in an artificial environment using genetic information presumably harvested from donors will work, but 'cloning' won't? What makes 'cloning' different? Do identical twins not exist in the 40k universe?

>That it wasn't detected is a separate issue, from a technical, codex-thumping point of view, it's the Chaplains job to fix that.

From a codex-thumping point of view. Chaplains simply were not an effective agent of enforcing loyalty in the Blood Ravens in the case of Avitus and the civil war. In the case of Captain Titus, a captain accused of heresy must stand before his peers - in his case, the entire company command, in addition to the intervention of the Librarius and the Reclusiam.

In other words, not just a "that guy's problem" kind of deal.

>assuming sci-fi cloning works like real life genetic cloning
>in the setting where they use "depleted water" instead of uranium to tip their self-propelled explosive rounds they fire from the air while wearing twin jet turbines

Okay, fair point. I'm willing to accept it's 80s not-even-pseudo-science, I just want to know what the in-universe distinction is.

The difference is that the Krieg/Mechanicus method still has an egg and a sperm meet, it's just not in a womb, it's in a vat.

Cloning goes beyond that and creates either an artificial egg or an artificial sperm or both in order to reproduce someone's genes perfectly.

Leandros is an idiot rookie, if his words would be true interstellar warp travel would be impossible.

>doesn't even know what a gellar field is
>thinks successful warp travel involves touching the warp directly

> Doesn't know what Navigators do when not in transit
Let me give you a hint: It involves opening their third eye that sees into the warp.

>His armour have colours of Thousand Sons Legion
>Resurrected by foul xeno witchery
>Want to rule all, first he take rule above 500 worlds, when it was not enough he went to Terra to rule all the Imperium.
Definitley Corrupted by Chaos and Xenos.

Kaldor Draigo

BTFO

>his only disturbing tendency being to look down on the Astra Militarum.
Fuck right off, he looked down on the Imperial Guard, not the copyright copyright.

Astra Militarum, user.

Imperial Guard are those red-hooded assholes from Star Wars. :^)

Even if he's right, Leandros would go over his Chapter's head and hand over Guilliman to a compromised inquisitor

Don't be a tool

Let's not forget that you're all talking about a Chapter that mostly went rogue and would have Exterminatus sanctioned against it shortly after Chaos Rising.

I imagine that the Chaplains were the first thing Kyras looked at when he started his plan.

Does anyone other than a very small portion of the Grey Knights and the daemons whose days he's constantly ruining even know Draigo is still alive? Surely the much more prevailing opinion is that he's lost to the Warp.

>tool
Nah, GW doesn't want to get fucked over by Disney.

The Inquisition Top Nobs probably know. He does pop into the materium on occasion to do some old style demon beatdowns. That sort of thing gets reported and passed up the chain.
I'm guessing it's probably much the same as Cain; they can't be sure, so they just leave his status as is.

Not even. He broke with the codex's teachings by informing the Inquisition, and not the Chapter's Librarium.

>I TITUS SICARI... FUCK !
>I CATO SICARIUS, AM BY ALL MEANS THE NEW CAPTAIN OF THE 2ND COMPANY !

2nd company marines: >I miss the old captain... he wasn't a pompous prick who had to remind everyone his name every Emperor-damned second.

>Yeah, at least this one has it in for that asshole Leandros.
>did you hear the captain gave him latrine duty again ?

Seeing as how the other 2 characters got sternguard heads and he didn't - looks like ultramarines wiped him and his geneseed

>and he didnt

Kys faggot

Fuck off Slav