How responsible should I be for the younger players in our group? I've started gaming with a really mixed bag of people...

How responsible should I be for the younger players in our group? I've started gaming with a really mixed bag of people. I'm one of the oldest at 26 and I just found out that the youngest is 16. She stayed after one of our games and started asking me advice about personal stuff and now I'm not sure where the boarder between fellow player and cool older person is. Has anyone had this happen? How did you figure out how to draw the line for younger players? I want to support her/ do the responsible thing but she's a minor and outside of D&D nights we have no contact with her.

Tell her to fuck off or she'll be raped in-game

Not cool dude.

Really not sure what you are asking. Are you asking what advice to give her, or how to make it clear you dont want to be friends with her out of game?

Tell her to fuck off or she'll be raped In-RL

Your game is probably somewhere she feels welcome and accepted, and she (reasonably) sees you as a friend. If she wants advice from you, be the cool older person. As long as you aren't being sexually inappropriate or anything and you're just acting as a friend, there isn't a "line" that needs to be drawn.

I guess im asking if and how anyone else has navigated something like this. I'm not sure its appropriate to be friends with her but at the same time I also feel like I should be there if she needs help. Like, she needs to find friends her own age right? I just dont want it to come off like I'm being like "no, I dislike you and you suck."

First of all, take reasonable precautions like not being alone with her for any significant length of time. You don't want even the suggestion of anything illicit happening there or it could fuck you for the rest of your life.

Otherwise, just treat her as a regular 16 year old. Give advice if you feel comfortable with it, or just tell her you have no idea because you've never been a teenage girl. This isn't rocket science; you just need to be a normal person.

I don't think you playing in an rpg with someone disqualifies you from giving them advice. If anything, you should have a better understanding of how they work and how best to advise them.
Unless you don't think you can, in which case you should just tell her that.

I've been a teenage girl and it was horrible. But your advice about not being in illicit seeming situations is good. It probably wont happen but im butch enough that they give me weird looks when I volunteered for Sunday school.

She probably has friends her age, she's in high school.
Be a bro.

This. Follow these genuine answers and you'll be good

Sounds reasonable.

>I've been a teenage girl and it was horrible
No, user, you're not passing even through text.

>DnD player
>Female one at that
>Having friends
That's a good joke

"She needs to find friends her own age right"
That's not mutually exclusive with being friends with you too. Also kind of condescending.

I can empathise with her position a lot. I was a teenager, I met cool older people and for the first time I was actually speaking with real people who liked the things I liked and weren't ashamed to just geek out about stuff. Fuck knows where I'd be without them. They're my best friends these days. They're the reason I started believing in myself and learned to stop giving a shit about what plebs think.

I have not had teen girls try to be friends with me when I'm an adult man, but i would say that there is no reason why you should not be friends with someone just because they are younger than you. As in all situations, treat other people with respect and polite kindness, and it should be okay.

Just do your best to advise her and try to be a good person
Also if you think your advice is stupid or you don't know what she should do tell her that you think your advice is stupid/you don't know what she should do
What is she even asking for advice on that's got you so uncomfortable anyway

Thanks annon. You're the hero we both need and deserve.

>get a fucking porno plot event
>w-what do
Yup, it's a real pickle.

You want pedo charges? this is how we get pedo charges.

I'd say the line is what you'd do for someone your own age. If your 26 year old friend told you something that would make you call the cops on her boyfriend, you should call the cops on a 16 year old telling you the same thing.

In my experience cool older people don't treat you different because you're a kid, and cool kids act the age they're treated.

>16
>pedo charges
Stop rolling wizards and try playing rogues now and then.

She's really just venting, but its about guys and her friends mostly. I never did super well navigating the social scene at high school so my refrain so far has been that "it gets better, just get to university". I just dont think thats enough though. She should be talking to her mom about this stuff, not me.

I had some teen guys in my gaming group,and it was super easy to navigate - I treated them like adults who knew what the latest trends in music and tech were. It sounds like there's an extra layer of awkwardness because she's an attractive woman that you can't date, but that wouldn't be different if she were your age. I'd just treat her like a friend my age who has a boyfriend and be the cool person with more life experiences.

I laughed at that dick joke more than i should have

How'd she end up in your game? Are you friends with an older relative or something?

Assuming yes, you should just be a friend but be careful not to be (or come across as) weird.

Like try to make most of your hanging-out time, time with her AND the older relative. If she needs advice, be willing to step aside and give it in private if she's more comfortable with that, but also don't make plans to hang out just the two of you at your or her house or something.

Mondo cool dude.

She's not telling her mom about it because she's worried how her mom will react. You're outside her normal life, so she feels safe telling you stuff without worrying that it will get back to the people she's talking about.

Everyone in High school thinks that what goes on there is the most important shit ever. It can be helpful to talk to someone who's a step removed and knows that 99% of what happens there doesn't matter in two years.

We all met at a local hobby shop. The owner had let us use the area for free but then an MTG group wanted to use the space. They had more people bought cards and ate more sacks. The shop offed to let us formally rent the space but we didn't have the budget for that so I offed my condo.

I think she's friends with the pair of the 18 year olds who come. They all go to the same high school and I think they do a Wednesday game together during lunch.

In that case, just tell her you're happy to talk to her before people get there/after they leave, but outside that, you're only comfortable hanging out with her in a group for now because of the age difference and potential for people to get the wrong idea.

Or, you could say you've got adult stuff to do and tell her to scram.

That's a really good way to phrase it. It gives some wiggle room so that its not stifling but it also sets out some nice ground rules. Thanks user.

If she's just venting then all you've got to do is agree with her, practice going mmm hmm into a mirror if you're struggling

Also holy shit if you're worried about looking like a pedo tell her you're worried about looking like a pedo

Yeah, so long as you stick to situations where there's no potential for inappropriate contact, you're ok. Stick to coffee shops and other public places.

Remember that if she changes her mind later, then you're totally fucked for life whether anything actually happened or not. You know how 16 is, people get emotionally nuts. Anything can happen, and the risks aren't symmetrical. So you have to protect yourself because while the odds of something bad happening are very low, the cost if it does happen is life-ruining.

With all that said, 16 year olds are nearly adult and you two can probably be good friends and have a great time. It's also a confusing and frustrating time, so she might want a trusted voice who can help her through a confusing period... and bonus you don't have mutual friends so you can be objective and she isn't worried that you'll spill her secrets to her school's gossip ring.

Do not get involved beyond directing her to people better equipped to handle other peoples problems. Otherwise it is a dangerous road to walk especially since said girl is a minor. Any advice you may give her could have negative consequences or both of you. It is not worth the risk.

>all these anons worrying about pedo stuff
What's your state's age of consent? 16 is good to go in half of the USA.

As the age old adage goes, treat others the way you want to be treated. Be kind and friendly, like you (hopefully) would be to any random that you come across irl.

When did people forget how to talk to others? Christ.

Which state, because you may be good to go.

Lol. Way to get OP in a statutory rape charge.

16 year old girls are hormone driven creatures of insecurity and confusion. If they're single, there's a older man in their life that they feel safe and comfortable around who isn't a blood relative or school authority figure, and that they strike up a "friendship" with, there's a 90% chance they're going to get into a crush/infatuation scenario with them at the very least. Then OP is in bad spot where he has to ignore this lovesick and/or lustful puppy girl moral/legal hazard.

(and too be absolutely fair, this isn't so much a sex thing as it is an age thing - a young dude in the same situation with an older woman will almost always fall just as hard as a girl will)

It's happened to me, I've seen it happen to others, it's the natural consequence of such a situation.

Actual advice for OP: help get her a boyfriend her age or near it from within the group. If that fails, make an excuse to kick her out or you'll be in a "getting close to the line" but for real situation before long.

It is because Veeky Forums is so fucking thirsty. You can smell the desperation through the internet.

>Claims to feel conflicted
>Posts picture of total jailbait in OP
>0/10 didn't happen

Consent in the United States is just ridiculous. Seriously, where is the motherfucking sense in a 16years old being able to fuck another one at 16, but not a 18yo?

Your consent doesn't change because of the age of the other person.

>Consent in the United States is just ridiculous.
This, it's like reading a dispatch from Uganda or some other uncivilized shithole. Age of consent in most of the civilized world is 14-16, there's no earthly reason to turn down the tap except that it might fuck up your game if it goes sour (or if OP's not single, of course, but since this is Veeky Forums I feel we can discard that possibility).

I mean, that's besides the fact that anyone who thinks the girl will want OP to nail her is delusional in the first place.

think of it this way: at 18 you can legallu consent to sleep with whoever you want. At 15, you can't legally consent to a damn thing, and your lover is committing statutory rape. At 16, you basivally still can't consent, but people roughly your age won't be charged for the statutory rape they just committed.

And bear in mind each US state is different. Son all of the above only applies to states that have such "Romeo and Juliet" laws, and the number are also probably completely different.

16 is legal in lots of places, user

it's legal where I live

hell yeah

HS teacher here. I often do nerd shit like FNM with students, and you have to keep up a bit of a personal barrier.

It doesn't have to be a very large one. Just remember that young people are highly impressionable, and there is a power disparity between you.

It's like...how do I put this?

It's okay to be a cool older person, but 'friend' might be a bit much. At the very least, if you're going to be hanging out in a non-group context, her parents need to know and they should be able to trust you. I've given students rides home after FNM, after they've called their parents and I've spoken to them about staying out late. And students know I'm a huge snitch who will absolutely inform their parents instantly if they try and fuck off and are using me as a cover for their shitty behavior.

Don't do anything that could be misinterpreted. Don't do anything criminal. Do try and have a third party witness with you at all times, preferably one of the same sex as the minor. I know it seems like paranoia, but lives can be destroyed by a single false accusation or awkward situation.

>lives can be destroyed by a single false accusation or awkward situation.
I'm studying to be a teacher and thinking about this shit always freaks me out.

>At 16, you basivally still can't consent, but people roughly your age won't be charged for the statutory rape
If you can't consent it's rape, if you can it's not.

Consent is being able to tell what the fuck is going on and the consequences of your actions. This has nothing to do with the other person's age.

>It's okay to be a cool older person, but 'friend' might be a bit much
I am friends with my father. What's the problem with age?

This entire thread is absolutely ridiculous. Has our society really reached such a point of pedophobia that we have to treat teenagers like plague victims?
She's a human being. Just treat her like a human being. Is it that hard to just not take your penis out?

There are plenty of states with age of consent being 16 for all. The funny thing is that it's federally 18, so FBI can bust your ass if you're unlucky to get reported.

Another teacher here, I am seconding the entirety of this user's statement.

It's sound advice.

Obviously your American. This is not a weird situation. Talk to her like she was a normal human being with similar interests in your things. As long as you don't put a finger in her your not doing anything wrong even by your laws.

She sounds cute. Consider going out for coffee or a film.

>Utah
>18
Is it really a law if it isn't enforced?

Well, when you have two contradicting laws, there's usually some precedent the judgemental ruling follows, reflecting cultural traditions and other values society holds dear. And when it comes to Utah, weighting their pro-cousin-fucking against national anti-kiddie-fiddling ...

Don't worry you can fuck her it's legal.

your game group is a friend group.

plus as the oldest you will naturally be viewed as a source of experience to draw upon. You should answer any questions, just keep it platonic.

only give them the dick when the age gap is 5 years or less. I'm 24 and I threw it in an 18 year old. I never noticed before how retarded 18 year olds are, some part of their brain must still be developing and its the part that handles common sense.

>expecting an 18 year old girl to be mature
You might be the retarded one m8.

>expecting an 18 year old to be mature
There never was any expectation. I kinda just forgot about that...also she had an amazing ass

Honestly, it sounds to me like a lot of you are making a huge deal out of nothing. I'm gonna have to agree with in that you should remember, first and foremost, that she's people just like you.

Do you remember being 16? I sure as fuck do, and while I was even dumber than I am now, people at that age are still self-aware. It's not like she won't understand your need to stablish a line if that's what you think that needs to be done.
And hey, it's not like you can't be both her friend/acquaintance and a ''cool old dude'', either.

To answer OP's question: I'm 20, my GM is 30, and it's thanks to them that I finally got the opportunity to play tabletops after years of reading rulebooks and getting pissed because nobody in my area's part of the hobby. I know my GM's into dudes, does that bother me? Not in the slightest, and it won't ever because he doesn't behave like a slimy weirdo. I consider them a close friend, and if anything, we've talked at length about personal stuff before. My point is that as a still young, impressionable retard, it's only natural to turn to people you're comfortable with for advice or whatever, even if they're older. If that's what she's been doing, that means she thinks you're cool and worth confiding to. You should be proud of that.

this.

She's likely not looking to be friends with you in that sense, but rather is looking to you for advice on account of you having more life experience than her or her friends and which she likely thinks would either be awkward to come to her parents about, or which she thinks her parents wouldn't be able to give good answers to on account of having forgotten what it was like to be 16 or growing up in a different time.

>but that wouldn't be different if she were your age.
OP BTFO

Give her the dice

lol

She probably views you as a friend. Feel free to talk to her or help her out if you want, just make sure to add "but you should talk to your parents about this, too" for anything that you think might be skirting the boundary of appropriateness. Or their school counselor, or an older sibling or whatever.

Sometimes the best advice you can give a minor is that they should talk it out with the actual authority figures in their life.

I'm 36, didn't have any luck with women in my 20's but have been picking college teens easy since I got past 30.
The trick is not trying to impose your "adult" lifestyle on them. They want carpe diem? That's fine with me, I don't have time for deep, commited relationships either.

>Honestly, it sounds to me like a lot of you are making a huge deal out of nothing.
It's like investing with, or loaning a life-altering amount of money to, a trusted friend.
Yes, it'll probably be fine.
But not protecting yourself could destroy your life.

Just be appropriate and you'll be fine.
Like this user says

If you feel like you can give competent advice to the question at hand, do so.
If not, tell her that you're unsure, and she should talk to (a school advisor, her family, whatever else seems appropriate for the situation).

16 is not too far below your half+7 creeper range and legal in most countries as well.

TAP DAT!

The half your age plus seven rule is actually supposed to be the ideal age of a romantic partner, not the minimum.

Depends on your state, in some it's no problem if the relationship started prior to one person turning 18 but don't actually go fucking someone underage without checking the local laws first.

Actually, just don't fuck a minor.

It's your dad. It's way easier to trust your own children to not randomly ruin your life than some random kid.

kek

I would stop meeting at your house. Meet at the library or in a park or even a cafe or something (even like Panera Bread with all their problems, is usually cool if people hang out for hours). Just make sure you're meeting in public so there can be no mistakes made by parents, etc.

^ THIS

Stop trying to whiteknight for her. She won't sleep with you.

MGTOW please go

Chris?

>10 years
>older

If you were 46, it might be a bit of an issue.

Take a page from our honorable vice-president and never be alone in the same room with this jezebel.

simply give her advice.
dont make it about being friends, dont be weird. stuff like this is ok and normal

Buy her flowers and tell her she means the world to you!

>The funny thing is that it's federally 18, so FBI can bust your ass if you're unlucky to get reported.
The feds can only bring those charges in connection with the Commerce Clause, so unless you're making CP or pimping out a minor across state lines, it's not in their jurisdiction.