Previous thread A thread for discussing the Star Trek franchise and its various tabletop iterations.
Possible topics include Star Trek Adventures - the new rpg being produced by Modiphius - and WizKids’ Star Trek: Attack Wing miniatures game, as well as the previous rpgs produced by FASA, Last Unicorn Games and Decipher, the Starfleet Battles Universe, and Star Trek in general.
Were the Jem Hadar ever established to be an uplifted society, like the Vorta? Or were they tailor-made by the Founders?
I know they're clones and we never see anything denoting any sort of Jem Hadar sexes, but it stands to reason that they must have, at some point, been capable of natural reproduction.
Jeremiah Bell
The implication is that they're so heavily genetically altered they might have been Pakleds or Tellarites for all it shows in their current appearance. It doesn't matter a whole lot.
Jacob Allen
The closest thing to what could have been the Jem Hadar was Tosk, from season 1.
He could turn invisible, too, remember.
Logan Fisher
I kind of wish we had seen more Dominion races. After all, one would assume that a massive empire with a huge fleet would require numerous support roles. Neither the Vorta nor the Jem'Hadar seem well suited to ship construction, for instance.
Carson Davis
Closest to a canon explanation was Robert Wolfe's initial ideas about what they and the Dominion as a whole would be like.
>"I think we all agreed that the Jem'Hadar were originally like the Mongols," he remembered. "They were some incredibly nasty, conquering subculture on a world of their own, but without all the genetic engineering; they didn't grow up in three days and all that stuff. The Founders got a hold of them and said, 'We'll make you the ultimate killing machines, what do you think?' And they said 'YEAH!' They just volunteered."
Soft canon goes with this, but it's not elaborated or expanded on at all.
Matthew Gutierrez
We've met the race who builds their torpedoes. They got along surprisingly well with Quark, which you wouldn't really expect for someone in a Dominion client race position, so there's clearly a lot of diversity, the only bottom line rule being "you serve the wishes of the Founders and belong to the Dominion now and forever".
Presumably, that sort of skillset was developed by various other races working together, then it was brought with them into the Alpha Quadrant while they were building up for their crusade, which is how they built more ships after the wormhole was closed.
Ayden Jackson
They outsourced a lot of manufacturing and general supply production to other species.
The angry red-faced dudes and the handle-nosed race both produced weapons and materials for Dominion use. Perhaps they defer ship construction to some other race deeper in Dominion space.
Leo Sanders
I think that's just coincidence.
Though I suppose it wouldn't be beyond belief that Tosk and his race were Dominion path-finders that just happened to stumble across the wormhole.
Michael Scott
The Tosk and their hunters could serve that purpose. It'd make for a good evaluation of species, namely how they handle the Tosk and their role in the hunt, to provide a glimpse into their mentality and the ease with which the Dominion might be able to subvert or conquer them.
Jaxson Harris
Weren't both races big wine buyers from Quark too? That suggests they're more reasonable than the Founders. >have similar taste sense and body/brain chemistry >enjoy wine for its own sake, so no artificially dulled senses like the Vorta >trade often prevents war Really it was only the Gamma Quadrant Tang Pool and their two slave races that had a problem with Starfleet.
Adrian Harris
Fucking everybody is more reasonable than the Founders.
The Borg are more reasonable than the Founders.
Adam Reyes
Imagine waking up every morning knowing that, ultimately, you are an orange puddle. You can assume a huge variety of shapes, and share consciousness with all the other members of your race, whom you love and cherish deeply. But you are still a puddle.
In the words of Shake, "If I woke up looking like that, I would walk over to the nearest living thing and kill it."
Anthony Allen
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Oliver Gonzalez
There's that race that commits suicide when they reach their 60s.
Bentley Perry
Thanks dude. Have you any of those nice sun-shots?
Noah Gray
Will have in a bit. That ones just a decent screenshot of an intrepid I found online.
Ain't had the opportunity to get online yet. Hopefully should be able to this evening.
Logan Sanders
The Terran Empire (heck, the Alliance isn't any better) makes the Dominion look like a group of eminent gentlemen.
Nicholas Reyes
The Terran Empire is basically every "Starfleet should be the US army rangers" nutbag's power fantasy played out to its logical conclusion. A literal interpretation of an ideology that, in the real world, is much less extreme because it turns out that copypasta from /pol/ doesn't actually make for good international policy.
Humanity Fuck Yeah!: the State leads to an era of perpetual war with everybody that isn't us until we over-extend and the dream comes crashing down. We become the We-Wuz-Kangs culture of the quadrant while more nuanced societies and cultures manage to avoid self-destruction solely because they're willing to compromise. For Q's sake, the damned Bajorans end up better off than us, and we had the benefit of future-tech provided to us by lax Tholians border security. All they had was the sexual ambiguity of mirror Kira and no interactions with the prophets.
>AMBASSADOR KAEL: I’m excited to hear you say Iconians, because I was watching the reactions this morning on Twitter and Reddit and all of our fans were like, “I think she’s dressed as an Iconian. I’m pretty sure that’s an Iconian.” I know you designed an original character for the show. Tell us a little bit about One. Who is she?
>BECKA NOEL: One is heavily inspired by the Iconians, and also a little bit of the Borg, She is a character that – she’s the oldest being in the universe. And she’s the only one of her kind that anybody knows of. And she’s tasked kind of with being a caretaker of life. And she’s also the destroyer of life. So she goes around the universe, kind of a little bit like a Q. But she’s not as much of a jerk, as the Qs are. So she’ll go around and see a world, and look at the inhabitants there, and if they’er causing any destruction, she’ll sort of set them straight. And she uses the weapon, on her back, which I call the Genesis – the orb inside is called the Genesis – and that funnels all of the energy and the knowledge in the universe, and it directly funnels it into her body.
>AMBASSADOR KAEL: Ok.
Justin Thomas
I don't envy that man his job. His interviewee is one of the more extroverted members of STO community and she still comes across like a loon.
Parker White
Is all of her cosplay that "unique"? on a side note could the local draw fag make a trek version of this?
Camden Edwards
I have no idea, i just picked this from 8s /stog/ thread where someone had gone and read through the whole thing.
I pity that poor soul who endured through the whole thing.
Austin Taylor
>look in the launcher >"oh hey, news that isn't Cryptic having another Ferengi LARP session" >follow link >expecting QT making odyssey uniform look as sexual as possible >not expecting a fucking Borg Iconian Founder Gary Mitchell Caeliar Q Donut Steel >keep reading to the end even though Kael sounds like he's in physical pain >I'm also in physical pain >mfw
Elijah Perry
It helps that he's getting paid to do it.
Justin Perry
Id demand hazard pay for that session.
Benjamin Parker
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Levi Hill
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Chase Davis
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Jordan Morgan
The worst part is that all of her other stuff is fairly normal. Something just... broke inside her and ended up producing something ungodly.
Adrian Harris
Maybe it's the community around her that finally got to her. You know what they say about gazing into the abyss.
Matthew Morgan
STO: not even once
Jose Bailey
>AMBASSADOR KAEL: Ok. That made me chuckle.
Ian Lopez
Thanks dude, these look great.
Charles Anderson
Are the Romulans ever referenced in any of the mirror universe stuff?
Juan Hill
Prime Sisko posing as Mirror Sisko says that he's going to ask them for aid as a cover for returning to his universe, I think that was the only time.
Noah Reyes
They either never invented a cloaking device or never shared the technology with the Klingons.
Isaac Carter
Worst species?
Landon Williams
To live with? Bolians, I would guess.
Brandon Butler
This
>eat fermented carrion >shit so vile that sharing bathrooms with them is an actual health risk >universally chatter boxes that can't shut up >highly opinionated
Their society might be tolerant or otherwise praiseworthy, we really don't know, but besides sharing a room with a Tholian or a Breen I can't think of a worse bunkmate than a Bolian.
Justin Diaz
>eat fermented carrion
Meh, so do Inuit.
Luis Russell
>tfw your bolian roommate dutch ovens you and you wake up in sickbay after having your lungs surgically replaced.
Hudson Rodriguez
>A Bolian Ambassador to Earth gets food poisoning from an Indian-Klingon fusion restaurant >Paris has to be evacuated
Justin Morris
>targ blood curry
Anthony Fisher
>Miranda class >Bolian Engineer replicates himself a pint of stout and a Kebab for dinner >All Hands Lost
Oliver Bailey
>Praxis >Bolian mining slave has a gagh fart in the dilithium mines >Star Trek VI
William Jones
Nausicans maybe? They seem like unbearable shits.
Jaxson Morgan
Nah man, just Nah.
Gotta be Tallaxians, Naussicans or Tellarites. Tallaxians are just monumental fuckups, it's not just Nelix. Naussicans are space retards with a very violent streak. We saw them playing darts by throwing darts into each other ffs. Tellarites argue fucking constantly, sure your debate skills would get on point quick but that kinda thing is just super draining.
Vulcans are a close 4th.
Ryan Carter
Hey, they knew not to trust the Vaadwaur, but Admiral (You) still let themself get played like a damn fiddle.
Luke Hill
lulwut?
Andrew Butler
The talaxians, even.
Lincoln Myers
Admiral (me) went out of his way to help the Vaaduar take out the Talaxians
Liam Green
So, did anyone else in here mourn the STO Gateway's passing? It had pretty good visuals, and it would've been a nice way to sort out your Doffs, Admiralty, maybe even the Exchange without launching the game proper.
Thomas Fisher
That doesn't contradict alpha canon! Someone get CBS on the line.
Jose White
wait wait wait
...when were the Bolians first contacted?
David Evans
The Ferengi had contacted them by ENT, so it's reasonable to assume the Klingons had too.
Cameron Morgan
Fair enough.
Grayson Wood
A bit, it was neat, but they nerfed the shit out of the plans for it after Neverwinter's version was exploited so badly with bots they needed to kill it.
As for worse race? Pakleds. Not only do they keep taking your shit and not giving you some goddamn personal space, they'd just slack off and expect you to do it. And you know they smell like a mix of Diesel and Patchouli oil
Jayden Jackson
>Annually, off world visitors must evacuate Bolarus, during the Hot'n'Spicy summer food festival
Even /pol/ is more reasonable than the Terran Empire. Every nutbags power fantasy is better. Advancing positions by killing your superior (and without any form of ritualism that streamlines the whole process) is pretty much the worst way to do things. That thing should have been dead within a year.
Jeremiah Rodriguez
Well that's... certainly a read.
Charles Sanders
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Carter Sanders
That's not a selling point for their culture.
Lucas Jackson
>Little red shuttles
Too many keks
Matthew Ward
Fuck me that's terribly written, worthy of Lindybeige in ignoring and discarding evidence that goes against the core supposition to which the argument is then built around.
Lincoln Harris
>The Bolians have successfully weaponised scat porn
Ryan Cox
>Bolians go to a Earth zoo and see monkeys flinging shit at each other >They are amazed by the local animal species capability of engaging in and surviving biological warfare
Gavin Hall
You jus rasis! Nausicans dindu muffin! It all UFPs falt!
Asher Allen
>nobody in the Federation is greedy or desirous of wealth >who's Vash?
Dylan Jenkins
>stardestroyer.net
Landon Powell
She obviously is a descendant Harry Mudd.
Michael Stewart
I assume that's an explanation, I don't think I've ever been there before.
Parker James
The site exists for two reasons.
One, to wank on Star Wars "science", because people like wanking on things they love, even if it doesn't make sense.
Two, to wank on how much Star Wars kicks Star Trek's ass, as both a franchise and on a "technical" level.
It's an old site, relatively speaking, and it's been filled with content by people fixated on how much they love SW and hate ST for fucking DECADES.
Jaxon Gray
Not that user, but as you can probably tell by the name, they're a Star *Wars* fansite with little reason to cut Star Trek a fair shake in anything.
Brandon Moore
Jebus that's pathetic.
Aiden Collins
...is that the Enterprise-D emerging from a B5 jumpgate?
Alexander Jackson
It's the site where huge amounts of the "numbers" on how SW makes ST look pathetic, the terabyte laser cannons on star destroyers, etc, etc, that you see in various online arguments comes from.
Elijah Cox
Yes.
Levi Rivera
Man I just always found it best to steer clear of those arguments.
Nolan Parker
As do most not-dumb people.
Charles Bailey
Those forums are pretty much a circlejerk between the same twenty people for the last decade.
I mean, the power difference between Wars and Trek isn't that surprising, Starfleet has only been around for a few centuries and is constantly improving whereas the SW universe has had fairly static tech at a much higher level for thousands of years. It's just that the argument they give is wrapped in such a level of snide condescending tone I'm not surprised most people don't like it.
Goes for the whole site really.
Ryder Russell
Comparing settings can be interesting when you approach it from a purely objective "how can we make this work as a combined setting" sort of way. But when you're only doing it to support how your setting is the best then you're not being objective and generally deflecting from the issues of (your) setting.
Logan Cooper
Veeky Forums has that perennial meme thread about Trek vs Wars vs 40k. It's entertaining at time but the asspain displayed by all sides is enough to show why those sorts of thing are a bad idea.
Luke King
My favorite part is that like 90 fucking percent of his arguments can be easily shot down with "nigger, it's a primetime TV show that started in the fucking 80s and had only so much fucking budget".
Lincoln Howard
>started in the fucking 80s >what is the Original Series in 1966 Do you even Star Trek, user?
Colton Lopez
Not him, but the article is expressly attacking TNG onwards.
Grayson Peterson
What does the inside of a Borg vessel smell like? I don't think they use sonic showers.
Dylan Morris
Yeah, this. It's also why I mentioned Vash but not Harry Mudd upthread.
Ayden Barnes
A combination of the smell of surgical disinfectant and engine oil.
Andrew Thomas
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Hudson Hughes
Bolians. The smell gets fucking EVERYWHERE.
Lincoln Phillips
Borg a cute
Hunter Hill
Honestly, trek doesn't really come into it - most of the arguments just end up with autistic screeching over the Force vs the Warp
Joseph Hill
I bet you AdMech would fucking love a Borg lover.
Eli Lee
Actually Trek wins - not due to technology, but rather because of culture and psychology.
Nathan Sullivan
Holy shit, that was actually rather enjoyable to read.
Kayden Rivera
Yeah, it actually was.
Andrew Wilson
What was that about ryptic LARPing Ferengi? They got a key sale going now.
Noah Gray
Yes, and such a deal it is, goyim! Better go buy many, MANY keys, hyew-mon!