/HHG/ The Horus Heresy General

Perhaps with the chaos buff it'll take one turn of shooting and a Tribune of Mankind to put Chaosteroids Horus down :^)
At least now we know how a Paragon Spear looks like. Glad they tried to return to the original material.

>no plastic mk2

Woe!

Isn't a new Dark Angel knightly kit going to be released?

Yeah, there are too many in gold armor. The new fluff is that a lot of the legions didn’t get their final colors until after finding their primarchs, so it’s a bit odd.

Dayum.

Looking at all the custodes weapons, I want a 'Dynasty Warriors'-like game where you get to play Custodes on Prospero.
>sentinel with sword and board
>sentinel with sword and banner
>sentinel with fist and banner
>three guardians with three flavors of spear
>Ixion Hale with that poleaxe
>haeteron with dual talons
>aquilon with firepike
>aquilon with fist and bolter
>sagittarum
Maybe even have the Agamatus and the dreads playable.

What fashion brand best represents each primarch?

For Mortarion, the garbage-tier Primark

Both Perturabo and Mortarion are autist enough to make their own clothes themselves. The Logos and the Barbaran plate were made by them, instead of by Terran/500World artificers like Dorn's and Guilliman's.

I don't know what kind of Gaga-tier clothes Fulgrim would wear, but Curze would dress like a hobo.

Dorn: Marks & Spencer. Safe, bit boring, gets the job done.

Alpharius: Doesn't have one, he's banned from all clothing shops due to multiple incidents where a different number of people come out of the changing rooms compared to how many went in.

I wish Lorgar was more like Urban II then the reluctant, awkward and childish primarch he is right now.

...go on...

The problem with the Turning of Lorgar is that while its based on basic human emotions, its done in an incredibly shoddy way that makes him more of a angsty teenager then the religious nutcase that he is.

>reluctant, awkward and childish primarch

Isn't that like all of them ?

That image makes me pretty thirsty for the Aquillion when they finally drop

the loyalists largely escape that

A passionate and devout speaker that inspires his followers to fight with great religious favour. While I enjoy ADB portrayal of Lorgar it was alos flawed since he made Lorgar seem childish. I'd prefer if Lorgar was more mature and certain of his faith rather then his turning to chaos being motivated by father issues.

How many 32mm bases can a Large Blast usually hit?

Supposedly they'll be shown at the next event.

when's that?

End of may

Lion would have to be Forever 21, because he's shit.

The more I read about the pre-heresy (Just the Black Books, not even touching the Black Library HH shit) the harder time I have being a 30k/40k Loyalist.

Convince me one way or the other.

Nightmare Mode: no *BLAM* or other memery.

To expand: the Emperor's plan was fucking terrible and makes no goddamn sense. HURP-DE-DURP, EVERY HUMAN SOCIETY SINCE OGG AND THOG HAS HAD RELIGION, BUT I'LL BET I CAN JUST CUT IT OUT WITHOUT ANYTHING BAD HAPPENING. *Tips fedora, shits self*

Malcador shoulda been emps.

Being traitor means having Night Lords on your side.

That's a strong argument for staying loyalist. Very strong indeed.

And don't forget about Emperor's Children.

Or Worst Bearers.

Because going traitor would make you an oath-breaker and a brother-slayer, the worst of the worst

Where did you get all this tasty art from?

Treachery is the worst, user. Loyalty is its own reward.

Aid me /hhg/, I've got a problem.

So my lil' brother is getting into 30k, and he's set his eyes on Death Guard. He's chosen to do Traitors, but he also really likes (and wants to bring) Sisters of Silence.

Now for obvious reasons sisters aren't really gonna fall to the warp, but could they go traitor nonetheless? Sort of a 'fuck you chaos, and fuck you Imperium too' thing where they and the DG force just wanna burn witches and kill Xenos?

6

No

No, worst case scenario is the DG are more renegades than full on traitors and the Malcador wants to put an eye on such a group so he sends the Sisters but even then I think thats stretching things a bit.

Yeah, I kinda figured. Sheeeit.

I like that second option though, a tad snowflakey but I'll propose it nonetheless.

End of the day, pick up games don't need some long, drawn out narration to them, so for all it matters it can be a training excersize. Thanks lads!

>Now for obvious reasons sisters aren't really gonna fall to the warp, but could they go traitor nonetheless? Sort of a 'fuck you chaos, and fuck you Imperium too' thing where they and the DG force just wanna burn witches and kill Xenos?
Shot answer is nope. They've got complete loyalty to the Emperor...buuuuuut if the Emperor were to be absent from the picture and His Works be turned into a repugnant ecclesiarchic parody of itself, then they would turn their backs on the Imperium.
Like how it happened on the first stages of the War of the Beast.
But still they'd never ally themselves with filthy DG traitors.
Unless the "traitors" were renegades that love the Imperium above all but don't play bu the rules...like Blackshield and clockwork psy-zombie Morturg, formerly of the DG.
So, long answer would be "sort of maybe".
Everything can be fluffed, and we are in the age where you can even cite similar examples to further your case.

>they weren't expecting Custodes

That's the point, shield-captain.

I wish I was as young as you.

>Curze
>Not shit
Oh yeah remember that time the NL got pooped on by the dark eldar? That was rad.

I don't?

Would he be willing to go with loyalist DG?

It's allowed in gameplay and that's really all that matters if your bro wants some tits in his army.

Hey, folks, could you guys help me with some rules please?

Suppose that my opponent is going first and dropping a pod with Leviathan. I have a Deredeo within range.

1) Can I choose to use helical array even though it's not my turn yet?
2) If I can shoot the Intercepter fire, will I still have to Snap Shot the Leviathan due to Skyfire on the array?
3) If I have a character with augery scanner joined on Rapier squad, and said Leviathan dropped within the scanner range, can the Rapiers shoot it?

>Axiarch not an IC
>Arc rifle with 12" range
>Flying haywire automata
>Droplites of "Whoops, Knight dead in one turn"
>Traitor Shield Captain with invisible Misericordia.
>Had the Emperor been released alongside the Talons, you could have a traitor Emperor. Death to the false one :^)
>GK-Ward tier Power creep
A-angelus will save us...

So, how out there is the idea of loyalist JUSTICE Night Lords? I'm fluffing out my army. I figure that they didn't exactly approve of the Emperor, but they regretted their hand in Istvaan, especially watching their primarch descend into madness. I'm just not sure where to take it from there. Maybe something with Servetar? I don't know.

There is nothing wrong with Vultarax

Precisely.
It can rain upon blobs and Spartans alike, Icarus lascannons can't make it explode, has effective T7 and a 3+ to tank Quad guns and can shoot all around itself. Can be forced to land but can also regen.
You can have either one lightning as a FA or you could bring a maniple of two Vultarax to do the same job and more, ignoring cover.
If its tank killing gun relied on armour penetration instead of on rolling something better than a 1 then it'd be reasonable.

>Servetar

You dont need Servebatar for that, just have your dudes be led by Terran NL and be disgruntled by everything. Do it, its not that out there considering most NL knew how fucking crazy their primarch was and how low they've sunk during the heresy, its such a divided legion that it literally broke in a million pieces after Curze died so having one element doing something thats "out there" is perfectly fine for such a force.

How good would the idea of user using Serverbabtar's rules for his dude be?

Kind of gay. Generic characters too good for 'im?

Correct me if I'm wrong...but Gyrfalcon grav-buggyies use NORMAL power lances?
As in, the squad with Split Fire and Sweeping Fire lack shooting bits on their poleweapons, in the army where the basic infantryman wields a glaive with a bolter?

That makes sense. A bunch of disgruntled Batmans seeking JUSTICE and using their tactics against their shitty brothers in a proper "Send in the 8th!" fashion. They don't tear down their colors in shame but rather keep them as a reminder that even the traitors should fear the Lords of the Night.

Well, I was planning on going somewhat termie heavy because I like the Atramentar and that they get to Teleport unlike everyone else. I'm not usually keen on using special characters, but I like the idea of my Dude basically being a literal Harbinger of JUSTICE aka terminators.

>One of the only astartes said to be in Siggy's tier lacks a 2+ save or an AP2 weapon, has Instant Death but it doesn't matter to EW enemies, especially since it's AP3 Rending, and his ability is basically a Nuncio Vox and ML1 Divination
He isn't the hot shit to begin with.
Hey, should Sev, Kharn and Abby (especially Abby) recieve a boost, or should Sigismund lose his EW?

>They don't tear down their colors in shame but rather keep them as a reminder that even the traitors should fear the Lords of the Night.
Teach them what true righteous Fear is like, user!
Though remember Batman's quote; he's not justice. He's VENGEANCE.

>Sev, Kharn and Abby

None of those were undefeated and top sword dog amongst the legions, sure they were bad ass but none worthy of becoming EMPEROR'S CHAMPION!.

Sev didnt even defeat Sig, he disqualified himself from the fight.

>Hey, should [named character] recieve a boost, or should [named character] recieve a nerf?
Honestly I'd rather they just give the generics more fun stuff to play around with.

Sev fought Sig to a standstill over a 30 hour duel. Sounds like they're equally skilled to me.

VENGEANCE is even better for Loyalist Night Lords, actually. I'm totally going to do it, but I need a name and need to fluff out the background a bit. I know there is a Wolves player who wants to do a doubles tournament with me, so many something like that.

>Sev didnt even defeat Sig, he disqualified himself from the fight.
Did Loken or Azkaellon beat Lucius, or did they disqualify themselves from the fight?
I'm talking about warzone combat, user, not duels with rules.
Sev managed to duel for more than a day with Sigismund even when his main forte was dirty fighting, so a no rules combat would be over more quickly. And Kharn also used to throw the matches, lest the Nails took over and he killed his friend on the sand. Not to mention he's the BLOOD GOD'S CHAMPION.
Not saying Abaddon was the hot shit back then...but srsly. A fucking sergeant would beat his ass, m8. He kind of NEEDS a boost.
I'm all for buyable EW for Magi, user :^)

>I'm all for buyable EW for Magi, user :^)
non-space marines need to pls go and stay go

You said you wanted them batman-like, don't you? The order of bats is named Chiroptera. You could use Kyroptera or something like that. Or just the Eighth. Or the Hand of Retribution (because bats fly with their hands).
>Double wolfing
kek

>Not to mention he's the BLOOD GOD'S CHAMPION.
>Kharn enters the Siege
>Leaves in a bodybag
>Sigismund enters the Siege
>Leaves with countless heads of the champions of chaos

Abbaddon does deserve a boost though.

If only he hadn't faced Garviel LITERALLY-NOTHING-KILLS-HIM Loken. Sigh.
You'd think Abaddon powerfisting him and then dropping a building on top of him and then orbital bombing the fucking planet would hurt him, but apparently not.
BL :)
What would you give marines, user? Only Praetors?
>Too spoopy for you, astartes?

Am I not allowed to put a base under vehicles?

I mean a base with an infantry being crushed under a tank tracks or something would make a cool scenery, I think.

Yeah. Try and keep it minimal, but it'll pretty much only hurt you.

Go for it if you want to, I dont think Servaltar rules are that good but whatever floats your boat.

>What would you give marines, user?
a playground where they don't have to deal with other armies

I like the Hands of Retribution, actually. At first, I thought maybe painting their hands red to show their crimes against their legion, but then again I feel like they wouldn't do that because that would show they're only alive because their legion allows it. Instead, I think one of their things will be taking/displaying the bloody hands of their enemies. That would be a pretty fitting theme, I think.

The Hand of Retribution doesn't sound right, though. Both it and Kyroptera sounds like vessel names, which I'm totally cool with.

I just like that Sev is a teleport homer. That's it really, though I usually see lists using him instead of a Praetor,

'ere you go :^)

Bringing Loken back the way they did it was a mistake.

>Set up the early series POV character as the avatar of the secular noblebright guy straining against the dying of the light
>Hey son you know you have to die at the moment everything goes thematically forever grimdark
>Ded
>But leave option open for classic heroic return and epic inevitably doomed confrontation with the Dark Lord that still gives a thematic spark of hope for the original ideals of the Imperial Truth after the end
>Get too excited, bring him back early in a hamfisted oh-no-everything-is-fucked-so-the-avatar-of-idealism-is-kerazzey-now reveal
>Jizz him away in a premature ejaculation of character confrontation that makes his whole character meaningless

Fuck whoever authorised his return, fuck Swallow for being a jobber and fuck McNeil for being a egomaniacal hack

Agreed. Fuck 'em.

Actually, Sev is traitor only, so I guess there goes that notion.

Also, I could have sworn that Raptors were traitor only, but I guess I was thinking of the Horror Cult RoW.

How against are you guys with using Traitor named character's rule for a (fluffwise) Loyalist force, or vice versa? On tabletop the force will still be treated as traitor/loyalist.

If they really wanted Loken to be kept around, he should've been the designated Knight Errant character instead of Garro.

Really, Loken worked best as a martyr, and I'm disappointed they brought him back because of that reason. In addition to the fact that his death was so final.

At least Saul Tarvitz will hopefully stay perma-dead, and be a proper martyr and the best character in the Horus Heresy.

If we're just fucking about and having a game to have a game, I'll play most anything unless it's fucktarded, though I will wonder why you're being an awkward bastard.
If we're doing narrative, then I'd rather not, personally.

Posted him last thread, and I know the power talons are not effective, but I just wanted to run him for the rule of cool.

Any other suggestions on how to model him? Thinking of some additional purity seals and other things that people can recommend them

What's going on with the top of his base?

>Back in the day spiky bits and mean-looking knives were available to loyalists as well.
I like 30k aesthetics.
I like them a lot.

I would recommend applications of paint.

Pretty sure that's super glue.

Had my fourth game with my Custodes tonight against IG, and oh god it was a slaughter.

Let's all take a moment to seriously appreciate the Heavy Arachnus Blaze Cannon and the ability to pump out very decent AP shooting from Custode vehicles. The only thing of mine that entered close combat was the Galatus Dreadnought, as my other units had literally zero need to leave their Coronus Grav Carriers.

Sisters of Silence aren't really capable of being a proper 30k army, right?

How many points was that game? IG player seems to have practically nothing if that was his full army

The whole point is for them to share with the Custodes; you CAN run them both separately but the latter fair much better with no support.

They are pretty decent, you might need custode vehicles to get them up to par however.

He's a lot cooler by Betrayer.

2500; he had six tanks, tons of melta and plasma, and 3+ with FNP on most units. 2 Demolishers and 4 Vanquishers to boot.

I'm conviced to start my adventure in HH with Death Guard legion.
Where do I start? Grab a red books first, or go straight for the models? Should I go for Burning of Prospero set, or just grab 2-3 boxes of MKIII tactical squads, and maybe one or two blisters of upgrades for DG?

Also about 100 Guardsmen.

You know that does make you sound like a Lorgar-tier little bitch, right?
>But muh balance!
Personally the non-marine armies in this aside from Custodes are some of the best designed and fun to play lists I've played with, honestly, especially Milita and Cults. If you can't deal with trip Thanatar Dominus Adsec hordes then maybe ask your opponent to tone it down a bit? Because neither me or any of the other Mechanicum, Militia and Cults or Solar Auxilia players are willing to put down our awesome models and entertaining rules because you're offended by anything not being all 4s 3+ when you ask about stats. Also lets us use the other three notches on the Armour save pile, which is fun

Just played my fifth game with my Custodes against Genestealer Cults. Sent my Tirbune in to tear apart the Broodlord or whatever it was and came out of it just taking one wound. Also ended up taking two wounds on the rest of my force and just a bunch of shaken/stunned results on my Coronus.

Needless to say, it's weird how powerful Custodes can feel when barely anything can touch them.

every society and civilisation has FAILED horribly and collapsed, spanning the entirety of human history. The self imposed ridiculous dogma lead to nothing but human suffering and delay scientific progress