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How the fuck does holo1 interact with hacking. There are scenarios where you need to know if the hackable trait is open info, but can't premeasure hacking area to confirm.
Relevant rules: -"However, in Holoprojector L1 state the Hackable Characteristic is considered Open Information when the trooper is inside the Hacking Area of an enemy." -Equipment is private info on Holo1, so being a hacker is not open even in hacking area, as hackers don't have the hackable trait (unless it is a HI hacker)
Logan Ortiz
Hackers are hackable. How else would a KHD killer hack hackers?
Cameron Turner
Whether or not the model is hackable is not private information, regardless of if it's in the holoecho l1 state or not.
The perfidious Interventor Morgana gets an ARO when an Order Sergeant model enters her Zone of Control. Morgana asks if that trooper has the Hackable Characteristic, and surprisingly she gets a "yes" as reply. With evil satisfaction, the Interventor declares a Hacking ARO against that model. Morgana succeeds at the roll only to realize much to her chagrin that it was just a Holoecho and not a real trooper. However, now she knows some of the other Order Sergeants are a Holy Sepulchre Knight bearing a Holoprojector L2. The game has just started.
The enemy hacker would declare a hacking attempt, you'd say he's not hackable (especially seeing as he'd use a program only usable against HI, and Kanren is not HI), and the order would be wasted.
At least, I think I'm reading the situation right.
Jordan Gonzalez
Hackers do not necessarily have the Hackable trait. KHD programs state in its requirements that the target has to be a Hacker. Other programs specifically state that the program works on models with the hackable characteristic.
Check Oblivion versus Spotlight and Brain Blast.
Joseph Perez
The hackable trait and being a hacker are 2 different things. You do not need to be "hackable" to be the target of a hacking attack. See many programs. "The target must be an enemy with the Hackable Characteristic (HI, TAG, REM...) or an enemy Hacker."
"However, in Holoprojector L1 state the Hackable Characteristic is considered Open Information when the trooper is inside the Hacking Area of an enemy." When not in the hacking area, it is not open information.
The problem arises from when a hacker declares a hacking attack from too far away.
"Is this model hackable?" *clearly 16 inches away* Yes, it is (showing as zuyong), hacking attack is clearly out of range, wasted.
"is this model hackable?" *in limbo between 7 and 9 inches* There is no correct response. Either you are lieing or you give away free information the opponent should not have. You are not allowed to pre-measure the 8".
Jason Davis
Then the problem arises where your opponent declares an order that is illegal, but they should have known wasn't illegal. You can't revert back to the aro since now you have information that it is within 8", so then you can change your second short skill to shotgun the hacker for example. The problem lies in the fact you can not measure until the order is resolving.
Hunter Gomez
Hacking Devices and Hacking Programs: Characteristics Hacking Devices and their suite of Hacking Programs obey a series of general rules:
They act in Zone of Control, be it the Hacker's or a Repeater's if the specific Hacking Program allows hacking in Hacking Area. Their target need not be within the Hacker's LoF, unless otherwise specified by the Hacking Program's rules. >They automatically identify whether a figure—but not a Marker—inside the Hacker's Hacking Area is targetable by a specific Hacking Program. They allow the player to enlist REMs in his Army List.
My personal interpretation is that if they don't have a hacker within ZoC, you just show them the courtesy list, which would show that it has the hackable trait. As soon as you enter ZoC, they have the option of asking if it is "targetable by a specific hacking program", where you have to say whether the REAL model is actually hackable or not by that program.
Kanren KHD disguised as Zuyong. I move within an unconfirmed range 7.5"-8.5"
"Is it targetable by this program" I respond with "I am not within your hacking area" you choose to shoot, I shoot back with a shotgun, we check ranges and I'm within 8"! Did I lie? No, I thought I was outside 8". There's no way this can be considered cheating either, it just seems like bullshit.
There is no way to tell until order resolution, you can not premeasure.
In the case where the Kanren KHD is within 8" clearly, then the response is "no". Hacking devices can't magically see through holo1, even though you as the player know what is going on. I am a non-hackable trooper in ZoC. I am not a legal target for any of your hacking programs.
