Female space marines

Sounds good to me

>That pic

stupid haircut

>Female space marines

A potentially interesting plot hook or story. Someone goes against the tenets of the machine cult and likely pisses off astartes everywhere in an attempt to modify gene-seed to increase the number of space marines in the imperium. The ensuing clusterfuck is best watched from a safe distance.

Female space marines would, after all the training and biological enhancement, look virtually identical to make marines unless you took off the armor and looked very closely.

They wouldn't look remotely attractive and certainly wouldn't have hair stylists.

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Unless their is actual reasoning that makes sense instead of just girl power than fine, more people will turn out to my LGS and i don't have a problem with women

If not fuck off

Meh, as long as they don't use powerheels im fine.

>thicc musclegirls
I'm okay with it.
>men with vaginas
No.

Why is her neck 8 miles long

Ugly

>female marines
Why the fuck not. But also, it would be silly considering there's already Battle Sisters.

Haircut is a dead giveaway that this picture came from tumblr...that and feminist undertone

It's possible but highly unlikely. A chapter would still need the ability to do testing for gene seed compatibility. Even so, it's still a rare chance for a female to carry the entire combination of genes to be fully compatible. It's far more likely for males to be compatible.

So, without being able to test, a chapter will not risk killing or maiming women and/or losing gene seed on the million to once chance you might find a compatible woman. Better to lose a handful of men. BUT, if a chapter can do compatibility tests before gene seed implanting, then they can check both men and women and train only the compatible before hand, and occasionally such a chapter will get a female space marine or two.

Or just say your lost primarch was female and your chapter has the opposite issue. It's why so many home made chapters have Samus Aran or an obvious Expy as their primarch.

The Emperor has already made his position on this clear.

>Discuss Veeky Forums

>Sisters without everything that makes Sisters awesome

I'd prefer them making their existing female army more diverse and viable.

I know complaining about proportions on SMs is a minefield but don't those legs look weird to anyone else?

Battle Sisters are just gaurds in cheap power power armor and with completely different stuff going on. On the one hand they are like an in between of Guardsman and Astarte. On the other hand as a branch of the Echlesiarchy they are also going to draw from a completely different infrastructure and implement themselves in different ways. Only female Astarte or Guardsmen would actually be Guardsman or Astarte, but female.

>Battle Sisters are just gaurds in cheap power power armor and with completely different stuff going on. On the one hand they are like an in between of Guardsman and Astarte.

That's their appeal, to me.

>if a chapter can do compatibility tests before gene seed implanting
all chapters do that
Literally all of them. That was the largest reform added with the codex astartes.

99.99% of (male) applicants get filtered out before any geneseed fuckery gets into the picture, because if something fucks up, there's the minuscule chance that the geneseed itself will be compromised, which is a risk the chapter absolutely cannot afford to take.

>occasionally such a chapter will get a female space marine or two.
Not even a chance.

Hey reddit!

>GW will use the Space Marines to shoehorn in women when 40k is already pretty diverse
wtf I love Chaos now???

The entire thing is weird. Their faces aren't quite right, they fill out the suits like they were injection molded or something, they're bow-legged, the faces look like shit.

It's generally just bad.

Yes, join us. We are way more progr... I mean, accepting, than those silly imperials.

>That womanlet marine

Do you know what's worse than a dimension of endless alternate hells filled with guro-vore rape daemons made out of STDs, countless trillions of genocidal aliens who never sleep and never stop trying to murder your race, burning ten thousand unlucky souls into dust every day to merely survive, orphans conscripted into becoming ruthless brainwashed soldiers and the backbone of your society, having your dead be the daily meals of citizens and soldiers alike, all of your cultural, scientific, and technological knowledge being slowly lost over time, and 23 hour workdays without breaks being normal workday for anyone over 12?

That's right. Patriarchy.

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Guillimarines will be both male and female. I'm calling it now - they've been made to make female space marines a reality.

Female Squats

This one actualy doesn't look half bad.

Pretty sure this is laying the groundwork.

So they retconned it from "We can't do tests so we don't risk females" to "We can all do tests, females are just legit not compatible, despite that not being how DNA works, it is ENTIRELY Y chromosome dependent and we don't feel like explaining how."? Well sorry for my info being out of date. I don't like the change though.

...or is this the new Veeky Forumsism since Veeky Forums has always had it's own space marine lore in conflict with the canon, the canon also shifting from time to time.

Save for the hair.

If this happens, the autismnado of epic proportion that will assblast Veeky Forums will be a delight for my eyes.

What if i told you the artist is a 40 year old man?

Oh yeah, I like it too. Just saying to the guy replied to that they are not female space marines. They're actually closer to squats, but human women instead of dwarf men and with Kill It With Fire as their SOP.

Wouldn't that make them being Sigmarine transplants in 40k too obvious?

They're bigger and stronger than normal marines so would be fun to see it though.

Surely you can post a source for your claim, which others could refute. And if they can't, it would give you your answer.

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>DAUGHTERS OF PERSPECTIVE

THE GODDAMN PIERCING.
I COULDN'T CARE LESS FOR THE REST BUT THE GODDAMN PIERCING.

ITS JUST SO MILD.

I'd say that he needs to spend way more time drawing bodybuilded dykes, and less time fapping on them.

We don't want them finding a way to get preggers and challenge humanity.

>they retconned it from
genetic compatibility tests have been part of the creation of a space marine since the 80's, when space marines were originally created

> the canon also shifting from time to time.
Literally nothing about the process has been changed. It is one of the few, if not the only part of the setting that is word for word identical to how it was in rogue trader.

space marines have always been all-male

Ok I've thought this over hard but I do have a good reason for supporting it.

Think of the rule 34.

Can we discuss the dude that got fuckin doxxed over this yet

Ah, so you're wrong.

No, post heresy chapters have lost the ability to test as part of the technology lost. It's also why you have chapters with corrupted gene seed and lost gene seed. Good to know they didn't change it and you're just wrong.

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>female space marines
>not looking like a regular space marine

Not any of those guys, but can you source any of this. Sounds interesting.

Even better - a good way to get canonical chaos marines waifus.

Just do it already, GW.

>Ah, so you're wrong.
fuck off you ignorant cunt

here's rick priestley's description of the creation of a space marine, from WD98 (1988). It's unchanged to this day, and has been reprinted in, I believe, every single edition of the game.

This is an old topic.

Would even if they were possible, look exactly as normal space marines, perhaps a bit skinnier. All you would and will ever get, are some bunch of high aggresive, extreme muscular women with shaved heads. If you want to play it as your army and modify them or play them in a RPG with House Rules and it is fun to you, then its fully okay and keep enjoying it. But,just from the fluff its will never work and even if, it wouldn't accomplish anything.

In powered some, nobody knows you're a woman

Nobody

If we're gonna go do this, you've got to keep it in the spirit of 40k: unpleasant, bitter, hopeless, etc. Trying to go for some triumphant sense of empowerment is utterly missing the point, as well as the nature of what it means to be a space marine.

Really, a female space marine would be almost indistinguishable from a male, save perhaps a different hip width. She'd still be a beefy, scarred, lumpy ass weapon of war that's too busy thinking about mulching the Emperor's foes to be concerned with any sort of personal autonomy or aspirations. Probably bald too since that seems to be ever present in marines.

This isn't so much to say they're equal or some kind of message there so much as space marines are inhuman beasts of war, and the very concept of equality would be irrelevant to them entirely.

TL;DR Kinda pointless whichever point you're in favor of, especially when there's no shortage of women in the rest of the 40k universe. GW is just too lazy to make new Cadian sculpts and too hellbent on marketing to have art depict characters that don't exist in sculpts already. Anybody who knows all this and is still trying to push for female space marines is just trying to get it for the sake of having a semantic victory.

This.

>space marines, uncaring warrior monks, give a shit about there now useless genitals
In all reality, wouldn't the gene therapy not only render you sterile, but also change hormones so they would all look pretty similar body wise.

>are just gaurds in cheap power power armor
pic related. Either you know too little about the setting for your opinion to matter, or you're trying to start shit.
Here's a second (you) for your troubles though.

Sisters of Battle are more like Tempestus. Similar stats and armour.

Might make sense for specialist purposes if you need fighters with the traits of an Astartes but less size, more flexibility, and better multitasking/communication skills at baseline.
At that point though I'd wonder whether or not it would be efficient to apply the same process of genetic modification/augmentation, if you're building for strength, physical and mental toughness, and capacity for fighting you start with men because they express those traits more at baseline than women.

You'd probably get a much higher attrition rate in your human stock, which would waste capable women better suited to less physically punishing forms of warfare.

Exactly.

Honestly, I say fuck it. Space Marines aren't human anymore anyways, and I expect that any real differences between males and females would get ironed out in the Space Marine production process. Muh lore gets retconned regularly enough to barely be a problem (Unless you are honestly expecting to argue that changing your mind on whether one chromosome makes or breaks a Human to a Marine is a bigger deal than a race of Ancient-Egyptian-Skeleton-Robot-Terminators going from totally omnicidal "Kill everything, we are legion" to "lolnope we have individual motives" in one edition). So long as we don't get pretty marines, and end up with at least androgynously masculine features, I say what's the problem?

The only real complication that might arise is that the SoB looses players who wanted to play the "girl" faction, which honestly might be a perk, all things considered.

>shoulders aren't wide enough
>head's too big.

>that retarded arrogant tuff gurl expression

Honestly, with all the physical, genetic, mental, and cybernetic changes space marines get before being deployed, i don't see how female astartes would be functionally any different than their male counterparts. I think it would be interesting to show the two end results being virtually identical, to emphasize how dehumanizing the space marine creation process is, and how these people are like flesh golems crafted and brainwashed into a very specific mold.

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Most Astartes retain their humanity user. Female Space Marines as a concept is just inherently shoehorned shit that shitposters push for the sake of shitposting.

Better yet, the voices don't change at all and some old characters come out and say they've been female the whole time.

>"brother, I have been meaning to tell you."
>"yes, brother?"
>"I was born female, please stop calling me brother."
>"I will not brother."

>Female Space Marines as a concept is just inherently shoehorned shit that shitposters push for the sake of shitposting.

How is it shitposting?

I fucking refuse.

>if you need fighters with the traits of an Astartes but less size, more flexibility, and better multitasking/communication skills at baseline.

So killing machines that are less good at fighting, more prone to infections, less pain resistent, but better at listening to someone's feelings while doing something else at the same time.

Makes a lot of sense and doesn't feel forced at all, bruh.

What's the imperative to have them in the first place? Muh huge female demographic? Fuck no, we don't need a male protagonist in sex and the city and we don't need female space marines. There's already female warriors, not everything has to be gendered.

How is it not?

Sure, why not

>that pic
>tumblr head on space marine body

I wonder who could behind this. Biggest projection I have ever seen, at least male space marines look nothing like the nerds who play them.

>not everything has to be gendered.

So marines aren't gendered? You're assuming the default gender is male and that's somehow less of a problem than having a choice between male and female units in a wargame?

I mean I get 'muh canon' but the amount of bending over backward to justify kneejerk anti-tumblism is retarded

I think the silliest part of all this is that the majority* of women don't even like miniature wargames so female space marine would have no positive impact on the sales of little plastic dudes.

*In my experience and the recorded experience of multiple online accounts, expert and otherwise

Why? Just because super-special NuMarines get female members does not make standard Marines into female. I don't understand this comparison.

That's always a thing with everything "progressive" SJWs push: it never actually matters in sales.

SJWs don't actually play these things.

>not shaving your head and mounting coke cans to your brow

>not surgically replacing your head with a lumpy sack of potatoes

It's shitposting because 99.99% of people who ever wanted female marines want pretty marines, beautiful females in power armor with ridiculous looking boobplate. It would sell a fuck load of models to lonely nerds but it would shit all over what little is left of the lore.

Doing hypermasculine female SM, on the other hands, would piss of the nerds, because they'd be ugly, and thus sell. It'd also be completely unnecessary because if they're going to be hypermasculine why even have them in the first place?

Let's hear your best arguments for why not

changing things for the sake of fictional inclusivity doesn't make sense

The lore has it that Space Marines can only be males.

>muh canon
>muh feels
>I need a safe space from those evil SJWs
>muh fee fees
>etc

There done

see

Gendering in the sense of gender ideology obviously, cuck.Persueing equal representation in everything, no matter how forced, even if it is a WW2 shooter.

I think there's no different usage of that word.

Space Marines are all male, the sisterhood all female. Cry me a river. It's a retarded concept. Women are overall weak, women overall refuse to participate in real combat (working behind the lines as a glorified assistant is not combat). The only bending over is to represent them differently in fantasy settings that are highly based on real life archetypes and tropes.

a marine's gender is marine

Because you couldn't show bleak violence against women.

They are already female, but the hormone and surgical treatment left their physical appearance in a state that doesn't conform to your gender roles, bigot.

Then what about all the Sisters of Battle getting horribly murdered?