You know...

can i still field a 100% scions list as in the last codex M.T.?

>first rank fire adds two to rapid fire

32 shots from 8 guardsmen

There will probably be force organisation charts that let you take all Elites, yeah.

I hope they get their melta-bombs back and don't have to take lances standard. I want my anti-tank cavalry back.

>T8 W12 3+
I feel like I'm still going to hug cover and slap Lascannons on everything, hopefully now with 8E I can do it on Ordnance variants without that BS penalty. And with more weapon profiles coming tomorrow I hope to see blast weapons, I want to know what to expect for my Executioners and Wyverns.

I cant tell if I am excited or not.
>No mention of new models, just saying that we should expect to use models that havent been fielded in a long time.
Atleast orders pass automatically.

>this whole fucking article

YES

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

OTOH, characters cannot join squads, you cannot fire from transports (if fait isn't full of shit) and turn one charges are going to be a thing.

>turn one charges are going to be a thing.

In all reality it was kind of bullshit that this wasn't an option anyways when shooting is all well and good turn one. Besides, IG are the kings of disposable meatshields to screen your more important units, and we have the ability to fire multiple overwatches now, as well as fall back from combat whenever we like.

I think it'll be ok.

Plus the characters not having to join squads honestly make them harder to kill now as long as you have decent terrain and hide them from snipers. If an opponent can freely deepstrike into your main line to pick off characters you either don't have nearly enough guardsmen or are a complete moron in the deployment phase.

If a character can't join a unit, how am I going to stash them in a chimera with a meatshield squad?

They also have no protection in assault. And snipers can pick them off.

I'd rather not have blobs be the only viable strategy, I'm a mechanised infantry player (and desu I'm rather worried about having my chimeras drowned under a pile of bikes or wolfwolves or elfdar or whatever on turn one).

12 Wounds*3/2 Lascannon Pens*6/5 Unsaved Pens*1/3.5 Average Lascannon Damage=6.17

6 Lascannon hits will probably do it, 7 if we're lucky. But at least it's reliable and won't explode or get stun-locked. Then again, we got Autocannons which we never used to care about wounding on 5s, Multilasers on 5s, Heavy bolters wounding on 5s, Pulse Rifles on 5s, and god I don't even want to think about what Guass will do this edition!

I can see Tau bust cannons, infantry gunlines, and similar anti-infantry weapons taking some serious bites out of our tanks.

Techpriests I hope repair at least D3 or we're going to have to go infantry meta.

I disembarked my melta/flamervets anyways because I liked having 3 special weapon shots. Won't effect me.

If it's like age of sigmar there's no rules about squads not being able to share transports. Right now with my Kharadron I stick my admiral and a while squad with some gunners in one boat.

so I should be buying my dwarf bikers for my counts as squats guard army is what I'm hearing.

Chimeras will likely have the same transport capacity as the new AoS Blimps do. So if it holds 10 and you've got a squad of 9, you got room for 1 character as long as they're size 1.

it's almost a guarantee they'll allow multiple units to share transports given the way they're doing things. It would be absolutely insane to not allow them to do that.

Also why do you care if they need protection in assault? They're not part of the unit any more, they can't be dragged in unless you've positioned the character badly. Remember in the character article YOU get to choose if they join in as long as the enemy isn't directly charging the character.

Honestly the only real concern is that we can't shoot out of vehicles now, but seeing as how all armies are going to deal with that it also means most of the ways people used to pick off your tanks aside from assault are gone too.

Care to check that match?

6*3/2 Pens*6/5 Unsaved*1/3.5 Damage on a 1d6=3.08 Lascannon hits. So hitting on a 3+ would mean 3*3/2=4.5 Lascannon Shots.

All the AM characters are still going to give bonuses to nearby units though. Actually, this way you might be able to boost multiple squads with one character.

Assuming the 3+ to hit mentioned

2/3 (hit) * 2/3 (wound) * 5/6 (failed save) * 3.5 (average damage) = just under 1.3 wounds inflicted per shot.

against 12 wounds = ~9.25 shots to kill.

?

I think he's calculating getting it down to half health.

Oh gotcha, that makes sense then.

>Rough Riders

At long last my $250 10 man squad of Renegade Rough Riders will be viable!

Pics and details?

>They all broke recently
They need repairs. The only reason they never got fielded is IA13 had no heretic horsemen. I mean seriously. Why not, FW?

Given the more fluffy option of playing, and if RR don't suck, FLGS is willing to let me field them.

Otherwise they were meant to be an art-piece once IA13 betrayed my hopes and dreams.

What size brass rod is that used for the spears?

Not sure, I'm sorry mate. Been years.

Why can't units shoot out of transports? Can Chimera still use the hull lasguns? Can orks still shoot out of open top trukks?

I was hoping for a hint at new models...

But the bit about making Sentinels more useful has me sort of excited.

Can't wait to hear more about the orders. I am hopeful about 8th

they said you would need 500 shots to bring down a land raider... well, Guard can do that now, and I think fairly easily thanks to orders working 100%

Question is now gents, what will Voxcasters do?

If there is indeed a god, it'll let us increase our orders range in some way.

Hopefully what they should have always done, use orders at long/unlimited range. Plasma vets way up the board? Give 'em some orders!

No shooting out of transport is still a naftka rumor so who nows

Maybe if command squad and infantry squad both have voxs then increased range for abilities/effects?

Guardsmen get drybrushed, Sarges get edge highlights and Officers get layered.

Can someone explain why Valkyries only carry 12 models? It seems incredibly inefficient, even in 40k. And are they still crewed by Navy pilots and maintained by Navy crews, or do Guardsmen actually use them?

They carry 12 men, 2 pilots, and all the equipment for all of them.
It's a space hind d.

a hind d?

Whats a russian gunship doing here?!

yea, I'm hoping for infinite range of orders once a vox channel is opened (so, both the command squad and the squad receiving the order must both have a vox caster. Vox operator cant shoot if opening vox channel)

Yes Snake, it's a Russian attack helicopter.

Even more effective lasguns. Oh my. For my army this is delicious news.

New guardsmen the impossible dream.

So the Valkyrie is not made for mass transit. It's made to get in fast drop a single squad and then be able to provide air support to that squad.

So it like modern transport helicopters in that way. Such as the Russian Hind mentioned here or the United States Black Hawk.

200 shots per blob of 50, yeah.

they actually said you'd need 500 gaurdsmen.

So if Cadia's gone with, what's going to be the new default Imperial Guard color scheme?

CadiA may be gone, but CadiANS are still around. Going by what they've been doing in the last codex, I'd say more of the new green/khaki variant.

they are a shitloads of Nova Cadias, and Cadians regiments are still the most numerous. They're not going anywhere I think

ooh nice idea mate. Where will you get them?

You know what change I'd like to see to Rough Riders? To make them mounted riflemen, using horses for fast movement, not some retarded cavalry charge unit. The lances should be an upgrade with Lasguns base.
Hell, Attilan Rough Riders, the ones with actual models from back in the day, are based on Huns, who are most famous for their horseback archers.

Aren't Rough Riders allowed to get lasguns insteal of their laspistol/ccw combo?

not in 7e.

though to be honest I'd want to see something more for mounted cav. just lasguns would overlap to much with mechanized infantry, just more mobile lasguns.

Hope I can use my Valk, with my Sisters, Inquistion and Guard army no problem.

>mfw a friend gets carried away with base painting
>not even mad

they've said all armies will be usable.
if it was in the 7e armylists it'll be in the 8e one.

So...what about the tempestus scions? can they be in a fluffy tempestus army like now or they will be just another type of troop in the faction when 8th comes?

Please respond i am scared

No word on the tempestus yet. I'd be fine with either but I understand your nervosity.

they've specifically said all armies will still be valid.
they're going to be rolled into the same book as all other imperial stuff, but you'll still be able to run your tempestus army.

I'm mostly concerned about my Repressors since they talk about models being sold and that cute tank has been out of production for years now

>when the frontal antenna bends after the first voyage to the gaming place

Sadly my grandparent pick it up to see it. Since the wings where not glue. They fell. Resulting in him panicking and bending the antena trying to grab the wings.

oh fuck

seems like they limit the max amount - my bet is at 1. I.e. the one guy the comissar shot.

they MIGHT be stuck back in the Elites slot like they used to be... but if so, I'd bet money there'll be a detachment where all the compulsory choices are Elites.

Oh wow, boltguns don't have any -AP. Flak armor is actually going to be worth a fuck for an edition.

lasguns are buffed to fluff tier pretty much

realismtards can go fuck themselves with their "lasguns are as damaging as modern rifles" bullshit

Any word on Battle Cannon stats yet?

>buffs everywhere
All shall fear The Emperor's Hammer!

CADIA INVICTA

I so hope FW puts out rules for R&H soon. it is the army I play most, at the moment.

I fear the worst.

Also, that is an awesome unit! Where did you get the spear heads and rider legs from?
Fukken saved!

I'm hoping they put out rules for Elysians. I have some models themed as a rogue trader's armsmen that I tried running as Elsyians a couple of times.... 7e deep striking was not kind. I'd like to try again in 8e

Nevermind me, they are Death Riders from krieg. Did you just swap the metal rods and Renegade torsos?

why would you not be excited for finaly getting to use the underpowered crap units and no longer being limited to the same boring old army build?
is all you care about new plastic crack?

Well IG has basically the same sculpts for over decade. Wanting new shit is only natural.

One of the reason WHF imploded was because there was nothing new to buy, just new rules

Yeah but this is a new edition of 40K, not a codex update with shiny new models for your army, wait for that to come out. Any new edition has always been about shiny new rules, not shiny new models, aside from the starter box of course.

Again, most armies still have decades old sculpt. New rules are all and fine, but it is hard to care when you have the same shit for so long.

>if fait isn't full of shit
if.

>guard gets their armour saves against AP5 weapons
>lasgun hurts T5 models on a 3+, rather than 2+
>units can split their fire, so your lasguns can shoot even if the heavy weapons pound at distant targets
>heavy weapons teams aren't subject to ID anymore

What's the catch, GW?

and also, again, this is a new edition of the game, new models will come with new codex updates, wait for those if you want new toys or model updates. A new edition of the game doesn't do that for any army.
form the get go you are guaranteed NO new models, everyone knows this, it's always been purely about new rules so why would you even complain about not getting your new models yet?

What was 3rd edition, or 5th

also cover on top of the armor

there's no catch, the age of infantry is back

2k shots, 1k hits, 166 2/3 wounds before saves.
This means if it gets a 2+ it'll be 27 wounds.

no more chimera bunkers, but that's not much of a catch

as always, there are exceptions. the problem for your argument is that they ARE exceptions, not the rule.
rejoyce when somehow it does happen, but don't get dissapointed when it doesn't, or looks like it won't, because that's to be expected in the first place

I get that feel. MFW 10 ratlings snipe their ICs.
youtube.com/watch?v=DvjTpNjyhBs

Why not?

My sister superiors all just popped huge boners

Holy FUCK BATTLE CANNONS ARE INSANE

Either the gun has a slow moving bolt or he has a quick trigger finger. He lets go and squeezes the trigger again before the bolt manages to fully close.

My SoB got very exited about that news. To the point of almost Heresy

sweet dudes, I so badly want some Death riders. Enough for an allied detachment which is 15 or 25 I can't remember. Although I will need to find some sweet desert turbans and stuff for mine.

>mfw 30k has so many units with combi-weapons
>mfw I have my grey slayers 4 combi-weapons

What's the point of special weapons on units that can have combi-weapons?