Horus Heresy General /hhg/

How can a post be so wrong yet trail with so many repeating digits?

I'd rock the Vets, but sadly I am out of Elite slots, so melta supports it is. I have 40 Scoring Daemons, so yeah, I guess Tacticals may be the way to go just because the daemons will be up and forward using deepstrike. Given the Daemons are Fellow Warriors, can I use the Damocles to no-scatter them, or would I have to switch to Dark Brethren? That's not too bad, given I've only got 1 HS and Layak is a Diabolist.

>chaplain leading gal vorbak
But that's against the rules, you heretic.
Also, 20 Ashen Circle? Do you just enjoy pain? I mean, I get it, brother, they are neat models, but twenty is just horrible.

Is it? He's got a jump pack, so he can deepstrike, and Zealot is handy.
As for the Circle, the answer is maybe. I really want cool elite jump pack dudes, and the flamers and Phosphex are badass. I guess I could use them as regular Assaults instead.

I like keeping things simple. A trio of autocannons are flexible, practical and cheap.

There's some rules confusion about non-Daemon units joining Daemon ones and whether they are allowed to do so or not. I honestly don't know where that came from, but it's been bandied around so much that many people consider it to be part of the rules. It's not part of the USR, at least.

Would you allow a Custodes player to use the 40k warlord table? We had a rather lengthy discussion about this today und ultimately decided to allow it since it is fairly harmless and some are outright useless, but I'd like to get you guys' opinion on the matter.

The only really nasty one there is 2.

Some are fairly harmless, true. But Custards are already pretty solid as it is, and I don't think they should get a minor buff without offering something to their opponent as well. At the same time, if both players agree, I don't see why not.

Argel Tal and Raum were cool dudes

III legion traitors reporting glory to fulgrim

2 and 3 are very reasonable, but chances are a custard boss doesn't really need help in combat.
5 might blunt incoming fire for a squad.
4 would be lovely against TS but pointless against everything else.
1and 6 are garbage.

Does anyone happen to have a good scale-picture for the Voss-pattern Lightning, or even it's actual dimensions? I'm trying to see how my proxy compares to it

Bonus points for Lightning Classic™ scale/dimensions

pic slightly related

Wouldn't mind using some as meatsheilds for my Alpha Legion

Anyone has a download link for Magnus the Red and Leman Russ epubs/mobis?

Links in this general aren't up to date...

Honestly, considering what else the other warlord traits offer I'd say the 40k custodes selection is actually a downgrade.

I thought they'd be common because the list is basically an invitation to bring your 40k IG army (except for the Chimeras, so it favors Vraks armies, I guess).

Reminder that Sacrificial Offering is actually a very effective rite of war and should get more use. You can probably justify footslogging your army using it, since you can outflank and you've got a solid firebase in the middle of the board.

I ran a conversion beam before, unless you're playing on an open field dont bother, stick it on a contemtptor

Daemons from other factions cannot be together, but it's perfectly acceptable to join regular people with daemons.

I was thinking either that or an Army of Dark Compliance. Some levies would make for great fodder seeing as there aren't any Iron Warriors available for that role :^)

Try googling the words "Magnus" "Prospero" "zip" and "hhg". With the ""s. It was posted here a while ago.
If you want to read cools stuff about Perturabo, you can find Hammer of Olympia several editons ago as well :^).

What kind of units should be part of the anvil and which part of the hammer? Besides the obvious like "Militia Artillery with a billion bodies and Termies in LRs"?
Example: Legaye Commanders can outflank Dracosan Vindicators filled with axemen, but that's not really a good idea

I heard White Scars use them to defend their fortress bikenastery in Mundus Planus.

Pick your provenances based on fluff. Alchem jackers is a common one, and easy to justify in the fluff. If a unit breaks due to shooting they get pinned instead of running, which represents their fear of their Space Marine allies pretty well. While it's good (fearless), I'd avoid the Cult Horde provenance. Fearless should be far more rare in this game, and a cult horde makes more sense attacking in mindless wave attacks.

Deck out your force commander at least a little, for survivability, give your basic troops +1BS (I think there's a way to do that), and then take a fire team with heavy weapons. Radio Free Isstvan had a good idea - use the genestealer cult mining laser guys as lascannon teams. Then throw in a couple of siege guns. They didn't think any of the fast attack options make sense, fluffwise, but you could take ogryns in your elites slot.

For the marines I'd load up on fast stuff, especially fast shooty stuff like attack bikes and javelins (shooting into side armor), dudes in Rhinos w/ short-ranged pintle-mounted weapons like multi-meltas, and light tanks.

Makes sense. I played a game with someone who spammed them to hell and back, and I'm talking about 3 pred squads, 9 techmarines and a contempt or talon full of the shit.

It was pretty humor.

The conversion Beamer's just not worth it, LoS and other factors mean you'll rarely get good use. Flame storm is trash too (unless maybe SA), since you're forced to get waaaaay to close for comfort since S7 is literally everywhere, plus c'mon, what's an AP3 flamer doing that something else couldn't be doing better? Both are shit options imo

The Magna-Melta is breddy gud, though that 18" means you've gotta play it smart. Cracks AV and anything that walks like a motherfucker, though. Plasma gun is cool too, if you roll well then it's killer, if not then sucks 2bu. These are very good-tier options, but easily outclassed by a Vindicator or Medusa.

Honestly though, youre missing the point of God's gift to light AV crushing. Slap some lascannons on, grab a dozen blade, and enjoy pimpin' around bitch-slapping anything short of a land raider to hell. Especially with something like Armored Breakthrough, it'll give you a kickass core of machine might to control the field.

How'd it do?

Sounds like the type of army that'd play obnoxiously well on the 'common' LGS table (one hill, a forest, and light terrain to taste). Even in a city-fight map, leaving a CB Pred or two at the end of a street effectively forces your opponent to take different routes, though it also depends on how big your tables are

I was thinking of using attached Iron Warrior Masters of Signal (they don't test morale from ranged) for shoot squads, or Zealot Chaplains for Levy blobs, and Masters of Discipline for whatever else is needed. It's pretty a different version of the Tyrant's Army, after all. Just say they're Olympian-raised regiments and they'll be used to tyrants.

I suppose Imperial Fists could use Alchem Jacker troops since they can't be pinned in forts. But I'd need to check the last one more.
Hmm, I guess what Marines have that others lack is their skimmers and elite choices, while mortals get gudtillery and people who are cost effective guarding a point.

Ryan from Radio Free Isstvan announced leaving GW games today to avoid waiting around for whenever FW finally updates 30k to 8th ed and I can't blame him. Honestly it was the only tolerable podcast for this spergfilled hobby.

Here I am, born to be Emperor
Im the Emperor of the universe
Here I belong, fighting to survive
In a world with the darkest powers
Heh
And here I am, Im the Emperor of the universe
Here I belong, fighting for survival
I've come to be the rulers of you all

I am immortal, I have inside me blood of Emperors, yeah, yeah
I have no rival, no man can be my equal
Take me to the future of you all

Born to be Emperor, Emperor of the universe
Fighting and free
Got your world in my hand
I'm here for your love and I'll make my stand
I was born to be Emperor of the universe

No man could understand
My power is in my own hand
Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh, people talk about you
People say you've had your day
I'm a man that will go far
Fly the moon and reach for the stars
With my sword and head held high
Got to pass the test first time, yeah
I know that people talk about me, I hear it every day
But I can prove them wrong 'cause I'm right first time
Yeah, yeah
Alright, let's go, let's go, ha ha
Yeah, watch this man fly, wooh
Bring on the Sisters, c'mon, c'mon, c'mon
Here I am (here I am)

Born to be Emperor, Im the Emperor of the universe
Here I belong
Born to be Emperor, Emperor of the universe
Fighting and free, got your world in my hand
I'm here for your love and I'll make my stand
I was born to be Emperor of the universe (universe, universe, universe)

youtube.com/watch?v=VEJ8lpCQbyw

So, what I'm taking away from this is that if Vulkan cuts off the Emperor's head he'll gain all the Emperor's knowledge and power?

Barring any major changes, Custodes are going to get a massive nerf with the new changes to wound rolls

Maybe they'll give them all the cool shit from Inferno to compensate.

Rules for 30k skitarii when?

Looking at running a cheapish Champion with my Breacher squad; does a Thunder Hammer(MC'ed for free, Boarding Shield, and Digital Lasers seem decent? Or should I just leave him as a regular Centurion with that wargear minus the free MC? Shit, maybe even another Praetor?

daily reminder that you and ppl like you who think any part of current rules will carry over to the NEW GAME without appropriate rewrite and balancing... are fucking DUMB

fuck him. all he did was whine about ppl playing power lists and then told ppl to play drop pods and sniper vets. while he chopped off his salamander fire drakes thunder hammers and equipped chain fist.
get utterly fucked and good riddance.
his brainless co-host that does nothing but agree with him and drone on can also go play in traffic. bai

we have them already

I think it was a slow burn. He was pretty frustrated after the cake questions didn't get answered or even acknowledged, then Inferno happened and he was salty about the OP stuff, and finally the 8th ed info drove him over the edge. It's been a while since he started dabbling in other systems…

Too late to ask him for list advice now.

don't worry Trump will save him

Where? Don't say tech thralls.

Really depends on the legion, but in general Champions are not terribly interesting as he's a miniscule upgrade over the centurion outside of fighting against another consul or against a praetor, where the situation is such that he's likely outmatched anyway.

So here's a sudden thought I had while working on my Custodes, I just wanted to get it out there before I turn in for the night.

Do you think one of the reasons why the Sisters of Silence were kept so close to the Emperor, and allowed access to him personally and the Golden Throne, as well as so many of his secrets, to the point that he told them things even the Legio Custodes didn't know about, that maybe... just maybe, they had another job.

To kill the Emperor

Out of all the people he kept in his inner circle, only the Sisters could see through his glamours and illusions to the real man beneath, with all the implications that has behind it, and were shown in Master of Mankind. It's possible, just possible, that the Emperor wanted them nearby not just because of their powers' use against Chaos, but because they out of everyone around him would be able to detect any hints of corruption in himself, and be able to stop him before he could destroy humanity. Something he couldn't trust anyone else to do, susceptible as they were to his powers, while the Custodes were too loyal to him personally that they couldn't be trusted with the responsibility either.

Obviously this idea generally pre-supposes you not being of the mind that the Emperor was a selfish dick, but even that wouldn't necessarily negate the possibility.

I tried to listen to that podcast once, but then one dude went on a rant for like at least 15 mins and I was like: what am I even listening to. If a guy talks to me like that in real life I would've walked away or told him to stop at least three times by then.

Good riddance.

Man, that should be part of the OP. I don't understand how people see the changes revealed so far and instantly seem to arrive at the conclusion that *everything* else will stay exactly the way it is right now.

>Emperor not being a selfish dick
That is not computable by my mind, my friend

What should a good podcast contain? Do you know any good podcasts, or like asking for good BL writers, it's a trick question as well?

>Do you know any good podcasts
None about 30k.

Not that user, but they're in Inferno. Rules for the Secutarii Hoplites and Peltasts, but the Peltasts can swap their guns for Rad Carbines for free, basically making them slightly pricier but tougher and more accurate (Cognis and BS5 all the time, with possible PE: Infantry) Skitarii Vanguard. Can fit 20 in a squad, so 40 Vanguard in Triaros transports with a couple Thallax squads is a hell of a front line.

I like the age of darkness podcast, good vibes and useful advise about painting

Projecting in 7th

Lol faggot, why bother with dead rules ?
Next book will be printed in 8th rules.

Secutarii aren't skitarii.

Just like Aquilons arent terminators, right?

I like Age of Darkness. I also listen to Eye of Horus and Imperial Truth. I think podcasts are a nice distraction and they help me keep immersed in the hobby. Also: I think most of the BL authors are pretty good desu.

Do you guys put your Siege Breakers up close? I like the idea of having one throwing Phosphex Bombs and breaking down walls versus standing back and shooting.

Any hopes that 8th ed will bring proper separation Terminator armors?

Also, what the fuck is Tartaros armor gonna do now that sweeping advance won't be a thing?

Tartaros will probably get some new special rule

His shit equipment options hold him back a lot from doing anything but babysitting a backline shooting squad. On the frontline I'd rather have a Forgelord do the heavy lifting.

Until we know how a regular terminator armor ticks it will be difficult to make predictions about its variants.

It'll be ported to 8E like it is, with no change whatsoever

Aquilon Terminators are explicitly referred to as terminators whereas it's made clear that secutarii and skitarii are not the same thing.

>A military formation developed in parallel with the Skitarii Legions of Mars in the lost and ancient days long before the Imperium was founded, the Secutarii were created as the honour guard and protectors of the Titan Legions.
>Inferno pg. 286

They were made around the same time but aren't the same thing.

The only thing he can do that no other marine can is to use a Tank Hunter Chainfist. The only two termie squads that have enough heavy weapons for him to buff either already has Tank Hunters, or is ashamed it only has Wrecker.

Hopefully will FW finally give something to Indomitus so it isn't a strictly worse option.

'Behind the lines' might mean in a command post miles away or on a space ship. I would consider a siege breaker with a heavy support squad behind the lines since they can actually see the enemy.

>but you get blind and I3, totally fair :^)
I think Indomitus should be the deep strike terminator suit.

>Conversion Beamer not worth it.
Actually I'd disagree there, I run a squadron of 3 conversion preds with my Iron Hands (with a command tank) and they generally cause mayhem, because blowing apart assault sections early game and raining down pain on backliners later is always good. And the look on your opponents face as your preds casually fistfuck his typhon with your conversion beams is priceless.

Man, if you can take out assault units early game and casually destroy Typhons with 3 conversion preds then your game table probably looks like this.

>Cataphracti
Ignore Rend unless it's -2 or better.
>Indomnitus
Built-in pseudo-Deep Strike
>Tartaros
Movement 6"

>things that never happen on any sensible table

Actually the Typhon kill was at warhammer world on the Imgran Bridge (pic related) and to be fair it was good rolls, but tank hunting s10 does its job. As for assault units, its not too hard to kablam someone with conversion 3 conversion beams turn 1, especially if you are on 8x4 tables or bigger.

My god that is beautiful
My god that is terrifying, 0/10 would only cross with pic related grey behemoth

Yeah, me and my buddies try to go down to Warhammer World at least every quarter. Where in we play 30k on the pretty tables, usually city fights ZM games or on the bridge.
Its always fun to play 8-12k games on massive pretty boards with massed legion detachments.

Speaking of large games, what's your convention for when FoC slots start getting really tight? I'm easily out of HS, FA and sometimes Troops slots by 4k with Admech, and besides Enginseers and beamer sniper squads there's not much in the Elites. Do people just take loads of Knights and Terminator platoons?
Also, what games do you normally play? We only have shitty GW 4x4 boards here, so we keep things around 2k tops, but I see a lot of 3k and 3.5 lists here.

In big single armies games we generally run the rule 1 force org per 4k, past 4k you get a second, with the caveat is you have the same rite of war/army sub type going over, with limitations as the RoW/army type requires.

Would that hold true if you're running something really limiting, i.e. Terror Assault/similar rites?

Speaking of terminators what do you think of the puppetswar ripper models?

Dr. Twofacepus.

I think terminator suits will get the old thing, where their save won't go below a certain number (probably 5+, 4+ for cataphractii).

Wasn't indomitus suppose to have improved optics or something, so shouldn't it get bonus to BS or ignore a negative modifier to BS?

>inb4 FW gives Indomitus suits optics that make all their shots TL

>implying FW will give best termies anything when they don't sell the models

Quick /hhg/ I need a couple of those big stupid collages with snipped text from the rulebooks, like the Leman Russ and Mortarion ones. Time is of the essence. Thank you in advance!

Like this?

Yes exactly, my friend

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>FW don't even put out blank shoulder pads and 30k era weapons kit for them

How can a company be more butthurt?

Deimos hull special rules when? Also, when will the Proteus carry 15 dudes with augury web reducing it to 12?

...

Thank you again!

I run that rule with Black Reaving, so yes. If you pick the Rite, you run with the limits. Terror Assault always ends up as a bunch of shit podding down anyways.

Is there a reason that all transports bar the Spartan are set so you can just barely not fit the obvious command squad option in them? Land Raider can't take Primarch+Termies, Macrocarid can't take Archmagos+Myrmidons+Scout, Triaros is either way too big or slightly small depending on whether you want full Troop squads with Axiarch or anything else, Dracosan can't hold Marshal+Household Guard unless you drop the Demolisher for 9 spare transport cap.

On a not at all unrelated note, Archmagos with Abeyant and three Myrmidons in a regular Macrocarid, or Archmagos without Abeyant and three Myrmidons in a Macrocarid with the Scout Web?