Bladerunner's influence in Cyberpunk?

>no vangelis soundtrack
I'm sceptical.

Blade Runner doesn't strike me as being a particularly cyberpunk story. It's more a futuristic homage to noir detective movies, than a high-tech/low-life story.

It did do a LOT for the look though.

And for making people think about what it means to be human

Was it? Haven't seen it yet, though I've not heard much better than "meh" from it.

I wonder if with GITS and Bladerunner we'll see more cyberpunk stuff around

Netflix is getting a Takeshi Kovacs (altered carbon) series

>I wonder if with GITS and Bladerunner we'll see more cyberpunk stuff around
If CP2077 is good we might see some AAAs dipping into the cyberpunk videogame sphere.

Looking forward watching it. I kind of liked the Altered Carbon universe.

Cool, I've heard that series is good, haven't gotten round to watching it yet

Maybe. Whenever CP2077 happens.

*reading it yet

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Snow Crash was the penultimate achievement of the whole cyberpunk genre. Prove me wrong.

Pretty sure the Nemex was described with a magazine capacity of only 6 rounds, but cool concept art otherwise.

Blade Runner (the movie definitely, the book Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep a little less) is a slap in the face to conventional science fiction. Gone are your Buck Rogers, Star Wars, and Star Trek stories of heroes prevailing over evil because of their superior morality. It's not even really a cautionary tale a la Ray Bradbury, because nobody is really "good." The cop wants to kill the replicants. The replicants want to live longer, but will kill anybody who gets in their way. The police department just wants things back under control, and they don't really think about why they do their job like they do. The corporation would just like the whole thing to go away. Nobody's noble. Everyone's selfish. And ultimately, everyone, from the vat-grown slaves to the corporate CEO is disposable. Lives aren't important.

This is cyberpunk. It's a rebellion against the technocracy of the future. It's artificial sentience being used to fight dirty wars for corporate greed rather than uplifting mankind. It's disparity between the classes, and when the lowest people on the food chain look around and see the squalor of the planet, they think "At least I'm not a replicant." But when you can make a machine that can so cannily pretend to be human that it can even fool itself, are there any lines left to cross, or has humanity just made itself obsolete?

The Sprawl Trilogy gave us the lexicon and the tools of a hyperconnected world, but Blade Runner gave us its soul- a less than better world where technology is a prison.

Snow Crash is shit, like most cyberpunk literature actually. Neuromancer is ok. Gibson's short stories are probably his best works. Otherwise, Hardwired is pretty good. So is Last Stand on Zanzibar. The Kingdom of Mao Bell contains so many false predictions that it makes it funny to read.

>53177774
It's just "Stand", not "Last Stand" - there was an old claim in the 20th Century that if everyone was standing you could fit them all on the Isle of White - when Brunner wrote the book people were saying you'd need a bigger island, like the Isle of Man, and by 2010 you'd need a much bigger island - Zanzibar (he got the time for the world's population growing to 7 billion to within something like a year)

there's also the mix of anachronistic and modern fashion. and the japanese cultural influence.

then you also have the small tinkerer shops who deal in ultra-sophisticated technology. that's a cpunk meme.

To quote the shake: "Because books are from the Devil and TV is twice as fast."

Bladerunner made a visual representation and added Vangelis, now whenever I hear Vangelis I wanna by my window at night and look out at the rain falling in the city, then lament that I only have the backyard and the ghetto on the other side, but I supposed that'll have to suffice for cyberpunk.

I'm having a severe case of deja vu. I know it's nothing but this thread triggered it hard. I swear to god this feels like it happened a year or two ago.

>that's a cpunk meme.
Is it?
I thought it was just a kind of extension of what you get with watchmakers and jewelers and shit, very small, very specialised operations.

That said, those sort of shops tend to be just electronics repair at the moment

Those shops are the bomb. I went to a jeweler and they wanted a fortune to get an old ring resized; went to a little watchmaker's shop who did the same thing for $20.

Place looked so Veeky Forums inside too, like if I'd asked right I could have got some mogwai.

>artificial "womb" tech announced a couple of weeks before
>2049 trailer has that shot

what the fuck was up with her hair in the new film?

I know it's supposed to look like the original, with the little side-pieces, but it looked like a weird wig that kept slipping sideways

there's also a Judge Dredd TV series announced yesterday

Did they get Urban?

artstation.com/artwork/Qo4Z8

The director is yet to make a bad movie, so there's reason to be hopeful.
I'm hoping Harrison Fords role is small tho. He puts amazingly little effort into his performances these days.

>The Sprawl Trilogy gave us the lexicon and the tools of a hyperconnected world, but Blade Runner gave us its soul- a less than better world where technology is a prison.
Well said.

>watch trailer
>hype, hype
>Harrison Ford
>feels like watching Star Wars: The Force Awakens
I'm not sure he's suited to sci-fi any more

Yeah, those shops tend to be pretty cool - everything all piled together, lots of niche tools, only a couple of guys who by the nature of the work clearly know their shit

Odd look for the Turing cops there

I think he's basically given up giving a fuck

Still it does look pretty cool

I think there's a scene where they're dressed in tennis wear or something

well, yeah the individual, smallshop super-genious detached from any bigger corp, is a cpunk meme. especially in Cyberpunk 2020 RPG. the advantage is that it allows, in theory, for PCs to come up with technological breakthroughs and it being within genre bounds and not something highly unusual.

except the tinkerers in cpunk are bleeding edge and have access to shit that even the big corps don't, which makes for interesting scenarios.

dammit, user, you just got me excited

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took me a while to work out which way around the coffin hotel was

>author of do androids dream of electric sheep says deckard is human but at the end he realizes that doesn't actually matter
>screen writer for blade runner says deckard is human
>ridley scott: "lol deckard is an android"
fuck blade runner

I'm getting somewhat depressed about Ridley Scott

>Here's Blomkamp's amazing Alien 5 idea
>Hi, I'm Ridley Scott, Alien is my baby, all others must die by my hand
>Here's Prometheus
>Here's Alien: Covenant
>PS ignore anything you've heard about the Alien 5 script being amazing, there was never a script, I didn't see anything, Alien 5 is crap and cancelled

Great contributions

Snow Crash was a parody of the cyberpunk genre, you doofus.

>implying it matters

Yeah true, that's a bit dumb

>The director is yet to make a bad movie, so there's reason to be hopeful.
>Reversion to Mean

>I'm not sure he's suited to sci-fi any more
He's not. He just plays Old Man Ford all the time erry time.

This guy's stuff is great.

As someone just getting into cpunk where should I start? What books should I read? So far my only experience is watching GiTs. Also as for RPGs, is it just shadowrun and 2020? I'm interested in shadowrun but it seems a bit complex.

>where should I start? What books should I read? So far my only experience is watching GiTs.
Blade Runner (movie)
The Sprawl Trilogy (Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive) (novels)
Hardwired (novel)
When Gravity Fails (novel)
Cyber City Oedo 808 (anime)
Akira (anime/manga)
Bubblegum Crisis (anime series, encompasses six different shows and a manga)

As for RPGs, the big ones are Shadowrun and CP2020, and CP2020's only really still big in Poland. There are a number of others, however, that run the gamut from PbtA hacks (The Sprawl) to Rolemaster derivatives (ICE's Cyberspace) and everything in between. There's an image floating about that has a bunch of them (and SLA Industries, which is strictly speaking cyberpunk's close cousin biopunk).

Seconding this request as a GM interested in running a cyberpunk game using GURPS, have read Do Androids dream of electric sheep?, any other recommendations as well as any general tips for running a cyberpunk game.

No Robocop, Judge Dredd, Johnny Mnemonic, Strange Days, Total Recall, A.D. Police Files, Battle Angel Alita, Armitage III, Appleseed, Renaissance, A Scanner Darkly, Babylon A.D., The Running Man, Armitage III, Natural City, or Serial Experiment Lain. Are you even trying, chummer?

Personally, I'm sold to Cyberpunk 2020. It's not the best or most recent system in the world, but it's solid and pretty simple. I used it as intro system for new players. If I had to play a new game, I'd probably give Tech Noir a try.

>A.D. Police Files
Comes under BGC you doof.

This pathetic damage control. If the new guy is looking for Bubble Gum Crisis he will only feed Bubble Gum Crisis related stuff. And that's no fucking excuse for leaving Robocop or Total Recall out!

>Bubble Gum Crisis related stuff
Like ADPF. I did say
>encompasses six different shows and a manga

Good recommendations. I'd also add

>Stand on Zanzibar
>Mirrorshades
>The Girl Who Was Plugged In

PKD is an oversensationalized nobody. His books were mediocre, his genre of ultra-grungy punk rock cretins died off early. His only claim to relevance is the small cult of purists who keep trying to define cyberpunk.

Bladerunner is the actual founding father. Followed by the numerous knockoff games and movies which mimicked themes from it.

armitage looks like batou m8

You only find it after reading a Wikipedia article, where it's only mentioned. If you don't know that it's there, you won't find it. Which would be a shame because A.D. Police Files is excellent and a perfect intro to cyberpunk.

DADOES is a terrible book. Legitimately horrible

And if you search for Bubblegum Crisis under images, you only find BGC stuff, including ponies and cosplay.

I mean it has a brilliant concept and explores its theme effectively, but yeah I agree the writing is pretty horrible. PKD is brilliant but not the best storyteller, he gets caught up in the philosophical essay type of writing

who cares? the movie is only superficially related to the book. you would know that if you read it. the director can change it however he wants, and I think that makes a good ending. it just feels shitty now because of seinfeld syndrome

Bladerunner was a cautionary tale about the dangers of inadequate lighting.

Kek

Neat. Still want something done of Market Forces or Black Man from the same author, though.

Snow Crash was post-cyberpunk, dimwit.

Cyberpunk encompasses more than just high-tech low-life.

Rare to see a Cyberpunk thread on Veeky Forums so I guess I'll ask quickly. Does anyone know if there are fall damage rules in Cyberpunk 2020?

You can't even use the word penultimate so I don't think I'll bother.

I mean, it worked out okay for Force Awakens - him channeling Lee Marvin almost makes you forget that the script makes Solo into a shit pilot, shit smuggler, shit husband, and shit father.
Admittedly, Deckard being portrayed as a fuck-up doesn't feel all that out-of-place. So maybe it'll work.
Still a redundant, pointless piece of nostalgia-bait not worth watching.

Yes, though high-tech/low-life is pretty central. Another important component would be the powerful and ruthless megacorporations. Tyrell seems to be big but it still has to conform to law. Then you'd have cyberware and cyberspace. Both don't seem to exist in Blade Runner.

There's not a lot of cyberpunk around that focuses on people within the corps, though. That's why I like Morgan's writing; it's not just J Random Loner.
Market Forces is about executives dueling each other in cars and then having to act polite in the office despite knowing you have to kill some of those people to get their job.

I feel Deckard is a bit more highly strung than Han Solo. I mean, Deckard was a cop who nearly died a lot doing his job and seems pretty stressed for most of the film. He did at least set a trip-wire trap/alarm in the tailer.

Han Solo is a smuggler and famous rebel scum, who gets to bang a princess, and has a giant dog-friend to help out. I guess he basically has more friends, and a whole interplanetary army that see him as part of a historic event, even if he's just slubbing around.

It does matter. It matters a lot. If Deckard isn't human, then any realization that androids are just like him is 100% meaningless because he is an android himself. Any dehumanization he experienced doing the job would also be meaningless as he's not a human to begin with. He's just a robot made to hunt down robots, and not a very good one at that. His realization that whether someone is android or human is only superficial would be greatly undermined by being an android.

I think the closest we see to cyber anything would be the videophone

>I've not heard much better than "meh"
You know how people were bitching about casting Johansson instead of an Asian woman and that it was whitewashing? The actual whitewash was taking a very Japanese story about depersonalization in society and the eventual acceptance of being subsumed by the collective, and retooling it as a story about a tough character's self-actualization by way of standard Hollywood action movie tropes 'the good guys lied to you' and 'tough main character reclaims sense of self by getting revenge.'

You can see Rupert Sanders categorically miss the fucking boat on 1997 film here:
motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ghost-in-the-shell-director-rupert-sanders
Notably: "...there were things as a fan of the original that I felt had to be in there, that I really needed to cinematize and to translate much closer to the original. The water fight, exploding geisha heads, Major on the tank, Major jumping off the roof.
Fuck getting the tone and underlying themes of the narrative right, yeah? The important part is reshooting all the scenes I thought were cool.

Ah, yeah that does suck.

Funny enough you could explain any given actress playing the Major in several ways - for one, she's built in a lab so has no need to look like anyone (other than for blending in, but she has literally invisible camouflage so w/e), we KNOW she doesn't belong so not fitting in actually works to a degree, and there's at least a few reasons someone might want to look like ScarJo

But to lose the point of the story because you were more focused on re-doing the shots is a bit shit.

Thanks for recommending Cyber City Oedo 808 whoever that was, it's alright

TANK POLICE

FEEL THE POWER THAT WE GOT

TANK POLICE

WE'LL GIVE IT OUR BEST SHOT

Well, at least they got Doctor Strange right finally.

Actually the funny part is that Manga-Motoko's appearance was specifically made to be "generic" because otherwise she would be a target. That was part of the identity issue she was having - her external appearance was a commonplace version.

1d6 per 10 feet fallen, like normal.

thanks bruh, idk what you mean by normal. D&D is I think 1d10 per 10ft

>D&D is I think 1d10 per 10ft
It's 1d6 in every edition of D&D other than 4e. AD&D has an optional alternate progression of each 10 feet of fall distance adding [1d6 per ten feet fallen] (so 10' is 1d6, 20' is 3d6, 30' is 6d6, etc.).

Actually, I'm not sure if that is an official rule. I found it in a thread where somebody was asking where the falling damage rules were in Rifts UE, and somebody else gave CP2020 as an example of a system where fall damage was 1d6/10', but I can't find the book it's in.

Not like it matters, it's pretty easy to just declare that a houserule in effect. Might want to think about adding the ability to get shock absorbers in cyberlegs, though.

>Might want to think about adding the ability to get shock absorbers in cyberlegs, though.
hmmm, I think that would be a bit more deus-ex-y than I'd like. like falling implies you don't have control, so you wouldn't usually land on your legs. Like in 3.5 I would let people negate a certain amount of fall damage with a Tumble check, could do the same but with Athletics or something.

We already have shit like robot legs and arms. Bionic eyes are also in their infancy, but they're extremely low resolution and only have 2 colors: black and white. There's also been someone who lived for over a year and a half without a heart, instead using a bionic heart that had to be carried around in a backpack.

Then there's also shit like Facebook and Google, which own websites that make up over 80% of all internet traffic, filtering content in favor of their preferred presidential candidate (not that it worked).

Neural networked artificial intelligence is just starting to boom; Nvidia recently released a (relatively) inexpensive neural network supercomputer for something like $150k USD to allow smaller business and schools to get their hands on the technology than could before. And there's other shit going on like that SPiNNaker project which is trying to make an accurate simulation of the human brain with hundreds of thousands of multicore processors, with each core emulating 1000 neurons each.

Then on the more consumer end of if, there's stuff like the Raspberry Pi foundation trying to get computers to people all over the world, the internet of things making internet connected home appliances more available, and self driving cars hitting the road.

A few months ago, there was a Formula E race between autonomous vehicles. A dog got onto the track and one of the cars managed to get around it safely, but the other crashed itself while avoiding the dog.

Most of this has been in the last couple years or so. Cyberpunk is trying really hard to become real.

I THINK I want to get out of this rathole. I WANT to get online. I NEED a computer.

>the internet of things making internet connected home appliances more available
Although it may be cyberpunkish to have everything in my home hackable from 1000 miles away I sure as hell don't want it and see absolutely no advantage to having a smart toaster or refrigerator or anything like that. I just hope that those tinkerer shops mentioned upthread will be able to thoroughly lobotomize any "smart" appliance that I might be forced to buy in the future due to lack of availability of a dumb version that would work just as well for all legitimate purposes.

>Deus Ex wasn't triple A

>Ion Storm
>Eidos Montreal
>AAA

>It's more a futuristic homage to noir detective movies
So, literally Cyberpunk then?
>than a high tech low life
And the market scenes? The characters? The run down cities? Low life is a heavy part of the old noir stories anyway.
>Both don't seem to exist in Blade Runner.
Other than the replicants, you mean. Cyberspace isn't a keystone of the genre, but an expression of it. The replicant technology fulfils most of the same checkboxes.

Blade runner as a story doesn't fit within cyberpunk proper.

However it's aesthetics and imagery inspired cyberpunk (and especially Gibson) so much that by its own account he molded his novels around it.

Did they get the bit about the Puppetmaster uploading itself to a shell of the same model as Motoko?

Also, the remake team consistently refer to her as Major in the third person, as if it's her given name, which I find incredibly jarring. Didn't they only do that in the original media when addressing her directly?

And if you're specifically playing the Cyberpunk RPG your pic is probably pretty related because Mike Pondsmith is pretty big on that stuff.

Sadly it also calls it clip capacity.

Note to self: put a standard weapon that actually uses clips in next campaign.

Now it's up to Scott to find someone to contradict him. Ford could be good.

>(and SLA Industries, which is strictly speaking cyberpunk's close cousin biopunk).
No its really just modern as it is all in the heads of a crazy Glaswegen guy and various folks on a drug

Double-spoiler that shit or Nightfall Games will fucking glass ya, mate.