Primaris Space Marines are a Good Thing

You, I like you.

I have literally never heard anyone say they want true scale marines.

You know what I have seen? People sperging out about old retired minis and a lack of "You only get what you see!" and people complaining about "how broken" 2nd ed. Marines are because of smaller LoS and boardspace taken up. And just like 2nd ed. Marines, regular marines will slowly be phased out by the newer models and be made redundant. It's only a matter of time until GW claims that Primarius models will become the new default Space Marine model.

Here, have a (You) yourself, kid, I know you desperately want one and I'm feeling generous

from what it seems yes and no.

There will be entire chapter composed of these nu marines, but they can also be used in any imperial army with relative ease as support units

just google image true scale marines. see how many hits you get of people using green stuff to extend limbs and torsos.

the scale of space marines has always been a complaint since they are physically as tall as guardsman and FUCKING TAU.

>MKIV helmet

they look gay. daily reminder that shit helmet looks like a retarded fish face and only really works on themed armies like the barracudas of the milky way or something. by spamming MKIV in horus heresy and these nu-marines GW ensures that I won't buy either.

i personally always liked the horus heresy helms, they seem a lot sleeker while still looking intimidating

> by spamming MKIV in horus heresy and these nu-marines GW ensures that I won't buy either.

these new marines could be made out of fucking gold and only cost 10 cents and people like you would still not fucking buy them.

>retarded fish face

literally what about them at all makes it look like a fucking fish

>geneseed
>one of the most crucial, important components of making an Astartes warrior
>fight battles to retrieve from the fallen
>here mechanicus bro, have some geneseed
>dark angel, space furry, fuckin blood angel geneseed
>it's cool bro
>oh, you made us some new mutated marines? Sick, welcome to the chapter my man

But hey man, I'm just a guard player, what do I know?

I'm glad of them too.

Now the original marines will be phased out & I can stop buying shit & be free

seeing as cawl has been around for more than ten millennia, and has the resources that he has, I do not think it is unreasonable that he would have been able to acquire it.

>Now the original marines will be phased out & I can stop buying shit & be free

They are not going to be phased out, like I said in the OP post, you can field entire armies of terminators and dreadnoughts, or just play greyknights, but you dont since these have drawbacks, and people still love space marines.

I imagine primaris vehicles, akin to the land raider, are gonna cost a fuck ton since they can wheel around what are most certainly going to be bulky models

GW specifically mentioned you can use a variety of helmets. I fully expect to see VII pattern helmets on these guys the moment they drop.

It's ok, Rowboat Guilleman says it's alright.

At least it aint fucking centurions.

Every chapter sends a regular tithe of geneseed to Terra. The Mechanicus didn't just roll up and ask for it. It was GIVEN to them as a part of regular Imperial operation.

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the elite, of the elite, of the elite, of the elite, of the elite (am I missing one?)

I would have preferred that they just introduced them as truescale marines rather than as a really shitty plot device.

Yeah, it'd mean I'd have to buy new stuff, but fuck it. My Marines are starting to show their age anyway.

thats not a primaris head you autist
just elite of the elite

They look cool
I'll buy lots of them from chinaman

>be GW
>"the land raider is the mightiest battle tank of the imperium"
>release baneblade

I love them, but one question remains,
How compatible are they with existing upgrade kits?

I'd love to create my Donut Steel Chapter with these guys, but if the scale gap is too large, it may limit kitbashing.

Primaris GK when?

it's a MKIV helmet faget, they wised up and flattened the mouth part of nu-marines but it still looks like something out of The Shadow Over Innsmouth

I thought GSC was supposed to be the lovecraftian faction

I won't read all that but I do agree with your title. Personally I really like them and I'm excited to see what changes might come to space marines (Model wise) in the future.

>Imperial Guardsmen
>Stormtroopers
>SoB
>Space Marines
>New Marines

>748(You)(OP)
the already said limbs wise no, but random bits yes.

Shills get out REEE

if they made a nu-marine special character based on frank horrigan wud b laff, since frank was basically a primaris space marine

Schweet.

If that is the case, necron warriors may finally be used for cyberlimbs, solving many of my problems.

I think they look kickass, and to me the stats feel more what Space Marines are *supposed* to be.
BUT instead of GW just saying "hey look, we're adding new gear and shit for space marines that coincides with the new edition so you have an excuse to buy our new and improved minis if you want" they created super-duper special marines that only cause problems for the setting and story.

Problems, you said ?

to the Adeptus Terra, NOT the Mechanicus. It is not the same, and the two organizations don't necessarily get along all that well.

Why have regular Space Marines if these Spacier Marines exist? What's their role within a Chapter?

>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?
>Guilliman be blessed, these guys are rad! When can I get them?

I know calling them chadmarines is some reactionary nerd shit, but damn.

My main question is where did Mark IX power armour go?

They are well proportioned.
Slick looking.
Amazing.

I just can't wait to buy a truckload of them.

These models look great, and if that one rumor that got the name and fluff right is true, they'll be part of a new box which has 56 models for $150, which would be sick as shit.

like the fact that Cawl apparently has been allowed (somehow) to tinker with the geneseed of MULTIPLE legions without their say-so -- which is also fucking about with the Emperor's *greatest work* (which I remind you, is not only ultimately based on His DNA and thus sacrosanct, but has *never* turned out well before). I cannot see how the Mechanicus or the Adeptus Terra or the High Lords would *ever* sign off on this without Guilliman literally standing there glaring at them the entire time. On top of that, it kind of just shits on current Space Marines -- it's basically just saying that they're obsolete even if they technically aren't rules-wise.

mk IX "Errant" was never produced in large numbers. As I recall it was more difficult to make and had issues with compatibility with other armor parts, so if part of it was destroyed you couldn't just use a surviving piece of another suit but needed a new part entirely.

lorewise the Emperor could produce stronger SM, a.k.a thunderwarriors, he probably made the space marines the way they are because there's something in between we don't know, in other words some shit will go down with these nu-marines.

>mk IX "Errant"

Errant is MkVIII, MkIX has never been mentioned before.

The primaris marines are basically what Corax tried to do during the HH. Lab grown space marines to quickly bolster their forces. Now with 100% less chaos fuckery.

Left out the pdf.

>had issues with compatibility with other armor parts, so if part of it was destroyed you couldn't just use a surviving piece of another suit but needed a new part entirely.

Besides the fact that Errant is MkVIII, that's mkIV you're describing. Every mark afterwards is fully cross compatible and that's why marines can have a single old piece of armour on a MkVII suit etc.

I was sure it was mk IX, but I could be wrong. Then I have no idea.

"Your ride is over, Xenos Scum. Time to die."

So they made them spammable AND better than the regular Space Marines. There has to be a catch, right?

that seems like a terrible sales tactic for normal customers though, $150 only seems like a sweet deal to existing players who have accepted an existence equivalent to jerking off while GW fucks their wallet. a normie would balk at laying down a cool 1.5 hundred for 56 plastic army men, but aren't starter boxes supposed to sucker normies?

I would buy it tho

They're not just tech heresy, they're tech heresy perpetuated by Guilliman.

80s and 90s GW would have done this

would New Games Workshop do it?

>according to these numbers most of our customers weren't alive during fallout 2's release

'fraid not

alright I'm done being salty about GW, I still like the game and models overall. these primaris marines seem a bit unimaginative though, out of the 30 IRL years of material to mine or even fucking to come up with, they pick . . . bigger big big biggies? I thought they already did that, it was called centurions.

I'm curious about the nu-death guard though. Apparently plague marines swelled up to primaris size as soon as they heard gullymon was stepping his sons' game up. Thanks warp.

It's only Death Guard that get spacier marines? Fuck my life.

>guys people want their space marines to be bigger
>we'll keep space marines the exact same size and make an entirely new army that is bigger
There is no way to justify this. In fact OP contradicts himself. He clearly states that this is the only way to get truscale, and then says YOU WILL STILL USE THE OLD MODELS to make a viable army. That is, your army will not in fact be truscale. Which is it? Are these a replacement or a separate faction?
>t-they can't just make bigger models!
Is that why my Bloodthirster is half the size of the latest iteration?

>Imperial Guardsmen
>Stormtroopers
>Skittari
>SoB
>Space Marines
>Grey Knights
>New Marines
>Custodes
>The Primarchs and Constantine Valdor

Expanded it a bit for you

This. Also, they are going to make a primaris version of every SM unit in the future anyway.

Let me illustrate the point further.

During the HH, Corax was given the primarchs genome and the location of the lab used to create the primarchs by the Emperor. Using this knowedge, Corax could create 500 marines within a few weeks. The biggest difference was that these marines did not have black carapace to interact with power armor as black carapace is synthetic.

If Guiliman got the information on how to create lab born marines from Corax or the people who worked with Corax, it is likely that the primaris marines lack black carapace and thus require specialised power armor (mark x).

An interesting detail is that the common genome could be used to generate the genome of any of the 20 primarchs, which could explain how Guiliman got the geneseeds of the different space marine legions.

>blue Bloodthirster

At this point they may as well make them all female, seeing as the grognards are already triggered. It's not like it can get any worse right :^)

The only image I could find still functional that did a comparison.

>"Marine Marines are a good thing guys."
>"Just buy our new and improved models (only $60 for 5)!"

t.Shill

He exclusively kills crabs and nobility

Because he's just a GW shill. They are getting a lot of flak over the absolutely garbage fire rules and shitty way to pimp out models rather than give a shit about the game. But this is the mentality of a company that has said before they are a model company and not a gaming one. The reason the game is imbalanced is because the codexes just give an incentive to buy certain models. It's like the storefront in games you paid for: tabletop edition.

Anyone who plays this is either a masochist, using the sunk cost fallacy, or fucking retarded. It is now blatantly clear and there is no excuse whatsoever to stick around and not play a better (and cheaper) game.

>b-b-but the rules

Are fucking trash. Next!

>b-b-but youre just poor!

Enjoy wasting money.

>b-b-but the fluff

Can easily be read for free on any wiki.

>b-b-but the models are good and I like painting

Enjoy your over expensive barbie dolls.

>b-b-but GW may get better one day

Enjoy caring for your wife's son.

It would be better if they did replace the whole catalog.

Right now its not worth buying anything thats scaled to manlet marine size.

Its a very discouraging market for new players like me

well I just mentioned death guard because the new starter set is primaris loyalists vs apparently primaris plague marines, whatever they will be called. there's a big plague dude with smoke coming out of his back and so on. nothing says chaos won't get some more, but desu I wish neither existed, it's unnecessary. but that's just my opinion man.

>implying reiterating one single monopose model and scaling it, then sprinkling new versions in is the same is redoing and entire catalog of dozens of unit types, each with multiple poses and equipment options

underrated post

I'm ok with Chaos getting big, mutated mega marines because it makes sense and the faction really needs an elite unit to match things like assault termies and battle suits since mutilators are a bust and regular terminators are significantly lower on the power scale than they were in 3rd.

>people saw the leaks and thought it was a move to truescale
>'fucking GW going to force us to rebuy our entire armies those fucking Jews anyone okay with this is a fucking shilling retard '
>turns out it's a new unit type so you can pick and choose as you like
>'fucking GW not moving everything to truescale now it looks retarded and no you actually have no choice at all and must buy them no matter what those fucking Jews anyone okay with this is a fucking shilling retard'

I'm not going to pretend I'm surprised by this, but jesus I swear there was a time Veeky Forums wasn't actually this manchildish.

>GW picks a half assed middle ground and destroys any semblance of balance in the rules

>people shouldn't complain

But nice deflection to people calling them Jews. Excellent strawman ya have there. You sure beat the shit out of him.

Could 40k eventually go completely true-scale and eventually phase out the old minis? True-scale guardsmen, true-scale Eldar, and so forth.

>tfw you love the new models and scale but hate the idea of primaris marines lore-wise

Help

My point was that "GW can't possibly alter the scale of an existing model" was a demonstrably false claim by OP.

Not for GW. Replacing the whole catalogue would require them to replace a ton of moulds to produce kits that not every space marine player would get. This also includes replacing moulds of kits that are unpopular and are even less likely to sell.

From a customer's standpoint, replacing the catalogue seems like a great idea but from a business standpoint, the cost is too great for a medicore payoff.

You are not alone brother

And my point was showing that editing a single model a handful of times across a span of 40 years isn't the same as redoing an entire catalog of their largest faction in less than (presumably) one

>saying but look they introduced A SINGLE bigger bloodthirster

oh hey but look they introduced A SINGLE squad of bigger marines

You forgot the planetary defense forces.

The models in themselves look fine. It's just that every single thing except the piece of plastic itself is stupid and will probably end up costing them money in the long run. Also, how would someone use this kit to make, say, truscale mark 7? Or 6, or really anything. Do we know enough yet? My LGS is already getting questions to that end.

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>This is the only way you are going to get bigger marines.
Or you could just, y'know, field them and consider them regular marines

>oh hey but look they introduced A SINGLE squad of bigger marines
They already confirmed Primarus Dreadnoughts, and the way the FAQ is worded suggests a faction with as many unique units as any other.

I don't like the idea of them being so ubiquitous. The Space marine range is already huge and has so many models and upgrade kits that trying to bump up the size kills off a lot of kits from a scale that was already working.

>Good Question. There are certainly elements of the existing Space Marines kits that will be cross-compatible, while the new armour mark means that some parts won’t mix as easily. Shoulder pads and helmets are the same scale, and will still work, whereas the legs, torso and arms are different, and not quite as interchangeable. In terms of the Primaris sets themselves, you’ll have loads of fun kit-bashing them.

Helmets can be swapped out, but fixing the legs will probably take some cutting and green stuff.

Just play them with regular marines rule, who's stopping you?

I knew I was missing something. I don't actually play 40k but I know how to help some of the people who do now.

As they would do with other SM units till there is non of the original wich is the same as redoing them.

The problem isnt the rules or the models. Is the horrible excuse of a fluff they use it to sell it to you.

What do you care about the fluff?
It's just a mental barrier you build to prevent yourself to enjoying the things you like

The fluff is not real, be your own fluff

I like how you are talking about balance when 8th ed is a move to a different system. It's almost like you're strawmanning, user.

Mostly because the fluff IS the only thing I enjoy about 40k.

What part of the fluff are you unhappy with? It's not like lab grown space marines don't have precedence in the fluff.

Time to move on my man.

Transcend the fluff, embrace fluffyness

as i said, be your own fluff