/STG/ - Star Trek General

>T6 Miranda has arrived in my lifetime
sometimes I think I've died already lads

Y'know, something else that kind of bugs me about the trailer.

...Was the USS Discovery even in it? I think it just had the Shenzhou.

>What would that signify?

Something between commander and Captain. Maybe on a large station (more than a couple thousand crew) full of commander ranked staff within the command division (rather than just department heads like Chief Medical) one needs to be designated higher without being moved to a captain rank?

Yeah... It's garbage.
It's an escort that can't equip dual cannons.

It was literally just the pilot episode. Wouldn't be surprised if that Malaysian chick dies in it.

That's designated through seniority, time in grade or the orders that station would receive, rather than a special rank.

I know, it just seemed weird to leave the title ship out of the first real trailer.

Any military personnel know that authority among equal ranked is delegated either by position or by seniority if position is irrelevant.

Well hey, if the Enterprise writers had their way then the entire first season would've been on Earth and the Enterprise itself wouldn't have shown up until the season finale, but of course Berman and the other executives kiboshed that.

>Well hey, if the Enterprise writers had their way then the entire first season would've been on Earth and the Enterprise itself wouldn't have shown up until the season finale

I'm not sure if that's brilliant, ridiculous, or both at the same time.

Don't be a spoilsport user, Saratoga variant with phasers firing out of the mission pods is as close as I'll ever get to captaining a Soyuz and firing its hot megaphaser into disgusting Klingons.

Well if they were going for something with set-up, then it's a good premise.

They'd have a lot of time to explore characters, interactions, assemble the crew, deal with the interactions with Vulcans and how Earth society is changing because of it. A lot about Archer trying to prove his worth to get the captain's chair in the first place, perhaps a bunch of troubles with the ship itself.

There's still a lot of room for conflict, though I think maybe a full season might be a bit long. Perhaps 6 episodes establishment on Earth without the ship. Then another 6 dealing with the ship being thrown into action unready, 6 for fallout and recovery and then a final arc of 6 to get a big drama going as Enterprise heads out into the unknown and starts dealing with shit.

>call it Star Trek: Enterprise
>there is no star trekking and no Enterprise
It would have been subject to so many "Holy Roman Empire" jokes.

That's why it was just called Enterprise for the first season or so.

the other two trailers also had two distinct ships

i'm not even convinced we've seen the show boat

Trailer ship looks like the Shenzhou, which is a shame because it looks decent and Discovery looks like ass. Here's hoping the fan theory is true and they'll be searching for the lost USS Discovery aboard the Shenzhou.

>dat trailer
HOT FUCKING DUMPSTER FIRE
I was told it would be primeline, all i see is JJshit EVERYWHERE
EVERYWHERE!

Miranda is such a meme ship.

I know it's trending to hate JJTrek but it was still better than all but one of the TNG movies.

> I know it's trending to hate Trump, but he's still better than Stalin.

JJ trek is decent action flicks, I can give it that much, but in no way or fashion was it even resembling TV drama star trek

The majority of Trek episodes are garbage and you only consider the franchise as a whole good because you focus on the good episodes in a type of survivorship bias.

I mostly just like the setting and speesships, desu. That's why I put up with STO.

>actually thinking Stalin was worse

Has Trump yet sent people into glags and purged with murder folks he doesnt like?

Forgot to say this in the previous thread.

Ship sale is on and the new Reliant class is surprisingly part of it.

Also, check you promotions tab. You might just have the convention holo Leeta and TOS crew.

No. Because he lacks resolve.

Aren't these guys supposed to be only a few years before TOS? Why are their uniform aesthetic completely different?

That's a good question.
Also their bridge aesthetics seem to be from another universe.

That doesn't bother me. Uniforms changed all the time. I do wish they had kept the department colors though.

What i wanna know is why do their suits have the enterprise insignia on them?

>tfw nobody remembers that the "starfleet symbol" was originally just the individual mark of the Enterprise and her crew and that each other ship had their own
>Only modern thing to remember this is star trek online

>if the Enterprise writers had their way then the entire first season would've been on Earth and the Enterprise itself wouldn't have shown up until the season finale
In the hands of highly skilled writers, that could've been great, but in the hands of less able writers, it could've been boring bullshit. I'm not sure the Enterprise writers were talented enough, but I do admire the concept.

>I know it's trending to hate JJTrek but it was still better than all but one of the TNG movies.
I actually think that JJ Trek is worse than all the TNG movies. I mean, it's more visually impressive, but it's insultingly vapid junk. And unlike with JJ Trek, I can't remember a single time in the TNG movies where I was rooting for one of the command crew to die.

>I was told it would be primeline, all i see is JJshit EVERYWHERE
Yeah. That's my worry. I mean, you can't tell a lot about the quality of the show from the trailer, but the similarities to JJTrek could indicate it's actually *like* JJTrek, which would majorly suck. The problem is that JJTrek made lots of money and got positive critical reviews (the first move has a thoroughly unbelievable 95% on Rotten Tomatoes--higher than The Empire Strikes Back), so I'm sure there is positive pressure to incorporate its qualities. Hell, aside from a few like-minded friends, everybody I've talked to in real life seems to quite like the movie, and most are unable to even see the flaws.

What are some of star fleet smaller ships?
Like something in between a captain's yacht and a Defiant-class

Well, in the shows you've got the Runabouts and Oberth-class. And I'm sure there's a lot more in sources like the novels and RPGs.

>and most are unable to even see the flaws.

That's because to those who aren't as invested in Star Trek as we are, it doesn't appear to have very many flaws.

Generally speaking how would Star Trek react to typical 40k dangers?

-What would happen it the Nids attacked?
-What would happen if the Orks attacked?
-What would they do against a Black Crusade?

I disagree. Generations, Insurrection and Nemesis are all complete and irredeemable garbage in terms of both ideas and entertainment value.

JJTrek will always be superior to those.

>That's because to those who aren't as invested in Star Trek as we are, it doesn't appear to have very many flaws.
I will admit that it bothers me how unlike TOS it is in spirit, but it has plenty of flaws which aren't at all related to its Star Trekkiness (or lack thereof).

>Section 31 would come up with a bio virus that could wip out the Nids but captian Pantsonheadretarded McMoralfag would go and instead somehow reason with the hivemind that there wasnt anything worth nomming in their galaxy

>Orks wouldn't probably even work in this reality, but i think they would be handled with starship phaser banksa nd by setting up few phaser satellites in colonial orbit

>They would just use transporters to beam down security teams behind Abby who would then start screamin CREEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!

Venture.

I don't want to defend the TNG movies too strongly. I found them all disappointing (along with with most of the TOS movies, for that matter), and JJTrek was arguably more entertaining in the "less boring; more excitement" sort of way, but if the TNG flicks were excessively mediocre schlock, JJTrek was actual garbage. If movies had IQ scores, JJTrek would be well into the range of mental retardation.

On Veeky Forums it's cool to like the JJTrek movies more, kind of like how it's cool to like the SW prequel trilogy more.

>>They would just use transporters to beam down security teams behind Abby
And then do what?

-Nids: Get Omnomnomed
-Orks: Get stomped
-Black Crusade: I kinda want to see Khorne Klingons

And the Luna isn't?

>>They would just use transporters to beam down security teams behind Abby who would then start screamin CREEEEEEEEEEEEEED!!!
Wow its like hundreds of loyalist terminator squads haven't been trying the exact same thing over and over every chance they get for centuries.

JJTrek had more substance than these trailers did, though. At least Beyond did.

Don't talk to your father like that.

>Only modern thing to remember this is star trek online
That's depressing as fuck, user

STO are after that sweet nostalgia money, so they have to try and make their recreations as visually and functionally accurate as possible.

Those weren't protagonists in an essentially idealistic setting.

>JJTrek had more substance than these trailers did, though. At least Beyond did.
So you're saying that entire movies have more substance than the little clips that comprise a 2 minute trailer? That seems like a somewhat unfair comparison, and I have to say that: A) I can't stand it, B) I know you planned it, and C) I'ma set it straight, this Watergate.

I like the strar trek setting as it is, but I think a 40k encouter would fuck them up pretty bad. I mean, demons, chaos space marines, tyranids, necrons ... I think the only 40k race that wouldn't be a major threat to star trek univers would be the Tau

Just a thought, but the Shenzhou might be on a long term deep space mission, like the Olympia in "The Sound of Her Voice". (Which, by the by, seems to have been a Connie still in service by the TNG era.)

The Olympia was out of Fed borders for over 8 years. If the Shenzhou had done the same, it wouldn't be unreasonable for their uniforms to out of date. Or perhaps, as a deep space mission, they usually wear a practical jumpsuit rather than the usual service uniform.

I know it's unlikely, just an idea.

>And then do what
Love him tenderly

It's actually the opposite. Stop by /tv/ sometime, see if anyone will actually defend the new movies.

So if anyone isn't really doing anything can someone please edit this picture to have glowing eyes and have the caption "Thot Patrol" under it please? I would do it but i'm on mobile.

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>Stop by /tv/ sometime

No fucking thanks

On the off chance that this thread reaches auto-save before Sunday, it'd be appreciated if one of you chuckle-fuckers made a new thread when this ones on the way out, as I'm not going to be able to.

Welcome fellow lurker

That could've been so fucking good.

The crew assembeling and actually getting to know the people that they will be spending the next few years with rather than all meeting up on works doorstep the day before launch.

Seeing how Earth has changed and rebuilt in the few decades after WW3 ended, increasing tensions with the Vulcans (who really, really don't see humanity as anything approaching equal on any level), final stages of construction in the gleaming new Mars space docks, ironing out the glitches in the new ship and then shit gets real when Klingon gets shot by farmer and they have to take him to Qono'S.

Trip to that planet takes the rest of the series to emphasise the scale of things,.

*Auto-sage

Time for some pics!

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I wonder what later ships would look like if they didn't go with the glowing nacelles thing. Or had the blue instead of the cherry red Bussard collectors.
And can I be arsed to try and shoop some concepts together for this?

>he says in a thread literally shitting on JJTrek
>he says in a thread shitting on STD for being too much like JJTrek

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When did Star Trek become Mass Effect?

For the first two seasons, the justification being that Berman and folk thought that the "Star Trek Colon" thing was getting stale. "Star Trek: The Next Generation", "Star Trek: First Contact", and so on.

I can't say he was wrong. I still refer to it as just Enterprise myself.

OC incoming

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In this moment, you are a magnificent bastard user. Well done.

kek

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They killed almost 300 thousand people per year during their brutal 50 year occupation of more than an entire planet.

youtube.com/watch?v=Qc7HmhrgTuQ

...they had it *coming*.

we need more trekball comics, and we need them now

300 thousand per year is peanuts. Given the state of civilizational sophistication on Bajor, that's probably fewer than died of infectious disease before the occupation.

Yeah, no, you can't justify slaughter like that, particularly since there is exactly zero indication that the Barjorans were doing anything to threaten the Cardassians in any way.

OK Mr. Collaborator

>you can't justify slaughter like that
What you call slaughter, I call a day's work

>there is exactly zero indication that the Barjorans were doing anything to threaten the Cardassians in any way.
Everything they did was for the greater glory of Cardassia. And if those spineless scum had to be ground under, so much the better

The problem there is, what goes around, comes around. Ask anyone from Lakarian City.

Might be a bit difficult to get an answer without a cleric handy though. They're all dead.

Yes, user. Thank you. That was the point.