Magic: The Gathering Modern General (Competitive Discussion)
This thread is for the competitive discussion of the modern format. Kitchen table discussion is not welcome, but they don't read OPs anyway. For reference the average deck will run you anywhere from $400-$2000.
// 23 Land 4 Mutavault 3 Faerie Conclave 16 Island
// 1 Sorcery 1 Ancestral Vision
Charles Stewart
>1 Ancestral Vision Yea this is wrong.
Honestly the deck seems way too slow. Ub Fae is faster and even that wins very late
Hudson Martin
-1 repeal -2 remand +3 AV
You probably better off playing UB faeries though and even that deck isn't that great
Nathaniel Ramirez
Bant Eldrazi Super Secret Tech
Lucas Walker
Sleeper card
John Parker
Garbage Trash
Jonathan Hill
Weathered Wayfarer is any land so normally a Temple but you need A Ghost Quarter against Tron? Grab a Ghost Quarter, against Burn grab a Radiant Fountain, it has so much use and its card advantage, you wont be topdecking those lands later.
Adrian Ortiz
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Anthony Sullivan
I only have one ancestral
Liam Moore
>4 mana do nothing What a sick card
Easton Allen
Hey, man, every card has a place, just not in Modern. Just think about it with Fleshbag Marauder/Merciless Executioner. Always a 2 for 1 per player. Just gotta look on the bright side.
Joseph Mitchell
>just not in Modern Then don't fucking post it in the modern thread
It made day two at a GP, top8s at least half of the "bigger" tournements I attend, and goes 3-1 or better at FNM.
>metagame:
it seems like players are figuring out the best few decks, but there is room for a lot of others right now. Just be more creative.
Oliver Nelson
You pair it with Lingering Souls and Sac outlets and Blood Artists
Dylan Perez
Anyone have some insight on the RUG Delver v DSJ matchup?
I am presently playing Grixis Delver, but since that has dropped so much I want to switch over to the objectively more fun Delver variant. I just wanna know how it fares against the top decks first.
Leo Baker
You mean HateBears secret tech to fuck over tron heavy metas
Joshua Wright
>playing delver in modern
top meme
Jason Jackson
B L U E S T A F F L U E
S T A F F
Austin Morales
While I appreciate the iconoclasm that is ditching Bitterblossom this pile is too slow for the format and you only have seven doods to champion Mistbind Clique.
Keep trying.
Hudson Price
As someone who wants to get into Modern. Is it okay to get the Modern Event deck and basically upgrade it
James Sanders
I like the matchup. Your goyfs are just as big as their goyfs and blood moon plus engineered Explosives do alot of work
Parker Torres
Holy fuck why does WotC allow vintage level cards like that to exist in modern, do they have any idea how to run a cardgame???
Unfuckingbelievable.
Kevin Perez
I agree, that's the 4color restore balance super secret tech
Hudson Robinson
The only deck ot reasonably upgrades into is WB Tokens, which is like tier 3 atm. And that's after basically gutting it and taking the good cards to put with the ~50 other good cards you will need to buy as singles.
Carter Foster
It's basically B/W tokens for the most part I think, and if you can get it for a decent price it has a lot of nonjunk cards.
I would look at recent B/W lists and see how many cards difference it is before you buy into it, but as far as precons go, I think Event Deck is by far the least shitty
sideboard some motherfucking W R A N G L E for the sickest anti-dsj tech ever seen since Vhati
Wyatt Ward
INVEST IN YOUR PAJEETS NOW BOYS
IM CALLIN IT THIS IS GONNA BE A $20 CARD
Jose Gutierrez
I like him in tezzerator. They board out removal for artifact destruction and I laugh my ass off
Lucas Thompson
Dodges Decay too, and has a pretty nice butt. The draw engine is like a liter of gravy.
i only sb 1, but padeem has and will always impress me.
Kevin Collins
Played against a loam/vortex deck and honestly game1 felt unwinnable without graveyard hate. I think they were running more seismics, and one vortex (plus a conflagrate i think?), not sure how the manabase worked though but i think i have it screenshot somewhere.
It also had a miser Shadow of the Grave, which was one of the greasier things I've seen.
The archtype seems super open, and they keep printing some decent tech (gitfrog, various gravestuffs, splendid rec, new flashback cards)
Jackson Diaz
i have a pretty terrible loam deck built that's fun to play, here's the list
// 60 Maindeck
// 4 Artifact //
// 60 Maindeck // 7 Creature 2 Bloodghast 2 The Gitrog Monster 3 Azusa, Lost but Seeking
// 2 Enchantment 2 Molten Vortex
// 4 Instant 2 Grisly Salvage 2 Abrupt Decay
// 30 Land 1 Bojuka Bog 1 Swamp 2 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 3 Bloodstained Mire 2 Thespian's Stage 3 Verdant Catacombs 4 Grove of the Burnwillows 1 Stomping Ground 1 Drownyard Temple 2 Tectonic Edge 4 Ghost Quarter 2 Blood Crypt 2 Overgrown Tomb 2 Tomb of Urami
// 4 Planeswalker 4 Liliana of the Veil
// 13 Sorcery 1 Flame Jab 1 Raven's Crime 3 Faithless Looting 4 Life from the Loam 4 Smallpox
// 4 Sorcery SB: 2 Collective Brutality SB: 2 Anger of the Gods
Liam Hernandez
I've never played the deck, but I think you want a Seismic (replacing a Molten Vortex, or in addition). The combo with Gitrog is strong, and maybe even worth to run a single Dakmore and a Graven Cairns for lands.
I highly recommend a single Shadow of the Grave too, that card has a lot of synergy with little things in the deck and alongside Seismic is busted. Works great alongside Faithless/Lilly as well.
Personally (feel free to disregard my shitter opinion), i would do -1 Molten Vortex -1 Grisly Salvage -1 Azusa +1 Faithless +1 Seismic +1 Shadow of the Grave
spellweaver helix is my favorite version of this loam meme but gitrog is just the dopest card on the planet
Brayden Miller
Decent card in budget 8rack lists, you could argue he has some upside as well given that he can block for days in a meta with goobergoys and shadows, and he's often a better topdeck than Wrench Mind would be. For a common, he has some contention.
Justin Moore
seismic assault being 3 mana is why i don't like it desu, but i like trimming an azusa and one tomb i suppose
Jackson Jenkins
>Playing? Affinity, as always. >Brewing? Ayy lmao >Metagame thoughts Seems pretty healthy to me imo. >Bans/Unbans? None really. I'll go ahead and say that they could try unbanning Stone Forge Mystic, but you and I both know it won't happen.
Owen Gomez
>its card advantage, you wont be topdecking those lands later It is card advantage, but not because it's thinning your deck
Easton Allen
>affinity gets to play first >lose >draw hate game 2 >win >don't draw hate game 3 >lose
What a fucking cool deck. I love how "inconsistent" the deck is. Oh, turn 3? Cool, swing for 10 and gblast for 8 next game. Darn, slow hand. Only vault skirge and opal. K, turn 3 swing for 12 gblast for the rest. Good games, man. Glad I had the opportunity to play.
Luke Cook
What are you playing?
Colton Bell
What would you keep from the modern event deck? Souls, Procession, Inquisition, Path, Honor, and I guess the lands are workable?
Parker Jones
Love the artwork on this guy
Jeremiah Myers
Not our fault you don't know how to play against affinity or are playing a deck that's shit against it.
Benjamin Ross
Affinity consistently wins on turn 4 if it isn't disrupted.
Jack Murphy
I've been fooling around with Tezz builds, have you had more success with slower control decks or explosive Mox Opal and a slew of 0 cmc artifact decks? How many Whirs are you playing?
Henry Foster
A lot of the black decks in pauper do shit like turn two this guy, turn three supernatural stamina sac him twice to put the opponent into topdeck mode right off the bat.
It's pretty brutal.
Gavin Green
what pauper deck does this?
Noah Martinez
I've got 3 opal, 4 Bauble, 4 whir. I'm actually playing it right now at fnm 2-0 so far. Played against dsj and esper control
I think a good thing to keep in mind is you are just ensnaringbridge.dec in many matchups
Jace Wright
R8/B8 illusion tribal
4 Aether Vial
4 Krovikan Mist 4 Lord of the Unreal 4 Phantasmal Image 4 Imaginary Pet 4 Phantasmal Bear 2 Illusory Angel 4 Metallic Mimic 2 Adaptive Automaton 2 Labyrinth Guardian
2 Vapor Snag 2 Unsubstantiate 2 Disrupting Shoal
4 Mutavault 10 Island 1 Minamo, School at Water's Edge 1 Oboro, Palace in the Clouds 4 Cavern of Souls
Justin Ward
Are you playing Glint-Nest? Got a tappedout list?
Ethan Bell
where's the penis?
Christian Phillips
I can't believe I can't find a list for you. It's the classic MBC style decks that play Chittering Rats, Crypt Rats, Grey Merchant and a bunch of edicts.
Jacob Ramirez
>tfw you beat death's shadow on the mull to five with storm two games in a row
wew lads i hope wotc doesn't ban this deck
Brandon Edwards
ban past in flames, unban preordain
Nolan Cox
please no, how else can i show how autistic i am by playing storm
Nathan Nelson
Yea, straight up ban the best part of that deck when it's not even putting up results.
Also can we get the MNBL talk started back up?
Lucas Allen
They could unban rite of flame :^)
Justin Miller
so, recently i've heard a lot of pros and just players in general dismissing this format saying it's too linear and that this is the worst modern has been in a while. do you agree with this? i feel like modern is fine, i think it could be improved but like it's okay overall.
Austin Collins
i mean to be fair, according to mtggoldfish, it's the most played deck on modo. that's probably because the deck is super cheap though
Logan Howard
just blue fags mad they aren't the top deck in the format as always
Jaxon Flores
this guy is right, don't ban Past in Flames, ban Serum Visions. No storm bans should only hit storm, combo as a whole must always go down with it.
Charles Collins
>muh combo is bad meme
cmon with that
Tyler Sullivan
Anyone play RG Breach here? or have all the titan players moved to titanshift because discard is so prevalent? Here's my list for criticizing, was wondering if I should play more Chandra. Meta is very slated towards small aggro and tron-like decks.
// 5 Artifact 3 Chalice of the Void 1 Engineered Explosives 1 Relic of Progenitus
// 2 Sorcery 2 Crumble to Dust
// 4 Instants 3 Sudden Shock 1 Pulse of Murasa
Nathaniel Johnson
>valakut
do you enjoy losing to storm and dredge and ad nauseum or something?
Liam Jackson
>too linear Doesn't really feel more linear than it usually is. If you are looking for a format where blue control is king, Modern is not that format, has never been that format, and never will be that format. >a lot of pros Pros have never liked Modern because it isn't really solvable (inb4 exceptions like Eldrazi Winter). Modern rewards having intimate knowledge of a deck over trying to metagame the field (again, inb4 exceptions like small invite tournaments). That's bad for pros, but good for average players.
Isaiah Roberts
Wait is Primeval Titan not banned?
Jose Thompson
Nope. Summer Bloom is what they banned from the Amulet Bloom deck. Amulet Titan and Valakut decks still exist.
Jose Ramirez
there are manlands
Zachary Hernandez
Those aren't really prevalent in my local meta. I play blue moon at larger tournaments.
Jose Turner
I would still be playing bloom titan if it wasn't for that nigger that top8'd PT Born of the Gods.
Elijah Collins
No. It would have gotten banned at some point anyway.
Michael Garcia
Literally no one was playing it or even knew about it before that.
Jackson Cooper
Doesn't matter.
Gabriel Nguyen
Actually that's all that matters. A deck can kill on turn one 100% of the time but if absolutely no one plays it, Wizards wont do shit.
Jace Cook
Hatebears or DnT?
And what color/style should I play? I'm interested in Eldrazi Taxes, but it seems to put up worse numbers than Hatebears
Justin Bailey
Broken decks are found. If it wasn't at Born of the Gods, it would have been elsewhere. Your deck getting banned was inevitable.
Easton Ramirez
Hatebears. D&T is underwhelming in Modern and straight up Eldrazi is better than Eldrazi & Taxes.
Zachary Morgan
Guys, Padeem is a girl. Stop misgendering her.
Cooper Edwards
>Modern players suddenly embracing a new deck that WASN'T just played at the PT
Again, if no one was playing it, it would not win. If he did not play it a the PT, it would still be fringe.
Julian Kelly
Modern PTs no longer exist, yet we see metagame shifts towards powerful decks.
If no one was playing it, it would not win, but all it takes is a few fringe people to find it and start putting up results to start the chain reaction. You would have had to keep the deck a secret somehow.
It's banned and deserves to be banned. Deal with it.
Bentley Collins
Ah I see, he broke the rules of the secret society of bloom players, all of which never go to PTs in order to keep their deck fringe.
Hunter Hall
>playing G/B tron, slamming fatties, living the 4-0 life every FNM >facing new guy, not sure what he's on >turns out to be UW control >4 maindeck GQ & Spreading Seas >4 Sea's Claim in the side >mfw This just happened to me a few hours ago. Not sure how I feel about it.
Caleb Wilson
It basically was a secret society.
The only deck that has gained popularity recently that wasn't played in a PT is UR storm, and that's because a card was recently printed for it. Bloom had nothing printed for it that made it better, it just got noticed. Yeah it deserved to be banned, but the reason it was banned was because more people were playing it and honestly I'm going to complain about pretty much anything until they unban preordain.
Bentley Gonzalez
>The only deck that has gained popularity recently that wasn't played in a PT is UR storm u wot?
Dredge, DSJ, and Eldrazi Tron immediately jump to mind.
Joshua Reyes
woah what, you can't interact with lands that's illegal
Benjamin Garcia
You deserve everything you get Tronbabby, hope he crucibled ya good
William Williams
Shit happens when you party naked.
Carson Johnson
Dredge literally had cathartic ruin AND prized amalgum printed for it. Deaths shadow was played in the last PT and eldrazi tron is played because of eldrazi aggro which definitely was part of the last PT.
Jason Young
>Dredge literally had cathartic ruin AND prized amalgum printed for it. Yep, which weren't around for the last Modern PT. No moving the goalposts for you. >Deaths shadow was played in the last PT Nigger what? Death's Shadow Aggro and the Death's Shadow Jund / Grixis / etc. decks are vastly different beasts. >eldrazi tron is played because of eldrazi aggro which definitely was part of the last PT. Are you really this retarded or are you just pretending?
Adrian Ross
If you seriously think that if the last PT hadn't happened that we would see a meta filled with death's shadow and eldrazi then you are the retarded one. MAYBE eldrazi, but definitely not death's shadow.
>Yep, which weren't around for the last Modern PT. No moving the goalposts for you. My whole argument is that he played a deck that already existed and got it noticed, not one that had a card recently printed for it that everyone was hyped about. I'm not moving the goalposts.
Jeremiah Wilson
>If you seriously think that if the last PT hadn't happened that we would see a meta filled with death's shadow and eldrazi then you are the retarded one Nope, still you. >definitely not death's shadow Yes, we would. You could argue about metagame share, but that shit would exist. >My whole argument is that he played a deck that already existed and got it noticed Quote: The only deck that has gained popularity recently that wasn't played in a PT is UR storm Quote: If he did not play it a the PT, it would still be fringe.
Your entirely argument is that people only play what they see at PTs, which is demonstrably bullshit.
Jonathan Walker
>Quote: The only deck that has gained popularity recently that wasn't played in a PT is UR storm >Quote: If he did not play it a the PT, it would still be fringe. Neither of these contradict the point that I made. Hint: Baral was recently printed >Yes, we would. You could argue about metagame share, but that shit would exist. Actually, you bringing up ds perfectly illustrates my point, how long did ds exist until it started getting played? and when did it start getting played? Directly after the PT. >Your entirely argument is that people only play what they see at PTs, which is demonstrably bullshit. Haha.
Jacob Hernandez
>If you seriously think that if the last PT hadn't happened that we would see a meta filled with death's shadow and eldrazi then you are the retarded one. MAYBE eldrazi, but definitely not death's shadow. Eldrazitron had a significant presence on MTGO before the GP, and the new death's shadow lists were picking up as well. People aren't retards who never see new decks before they're played in a PT or GP, it's just you who lives in your little pro bubble.
Hunter Wood
>EDH poster
Get go and stay go
Juan Bennett
I play a shitload of pauper on mtgo and I have literally never seen that card played.
Mason White
>Neither of these contradict the point that I made. Yes actually, yes they do. I won't let you move the goalpost to a different point. Your point was specifically about PTs. >Directly after the PT. I dunno about you, but I don't recall seeing DSJ directly after the PT. >Haha. It is a laughable argument, yes.
Robert Watson
>Honor >Not Virtue
Boi. If user's (The one who wanted the event deck) plan to upgrade it then you should definitely add Bitter Blossom and Sorin, Solemn which means basically virtue > honor
Side note: The modern event deck is actually pretty decent overall if you just want to jump into/start playing Modern. Like the only crap card it has in is Shrine of Loyal Legions
Ethan Thompson
The eldrazi lists were, i'll give you that, but it was in response to broken cards being printed. I don't believe death's shadow was being played at all before the PT, although prove me wrong if I am wrong.
Connor Carter
Again, I am not moving the goalposts, you just don't understand what I am trying to argue.