==Naval Wargames General==
*Never Built Edition.*
The old thread is sinking, Damn the Torpedoes, Bring on the New Thread!
Talk about botes, bote based wargaming and RPGs, and maybe even a certain bote based vidya that tickles our autism in just the right way.
Games, Ospreys and References (Courtesy of /hwg/)
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Rule the Waves
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There is also a play by post game which has been joined by some intrepid fa/tg/uys who think they can avoid sinking with careful thinking.
Apparently name and title boxes confuse me. Oh well, people should be able to figure it out.
British J Class never built.
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I love it! Pop-Sci always had great futurists working for it.
Come on and SLAM, and welcome to JAPAN.
Ok, I give up. That looks like an American Nelson. WTF is it?
Not enough Pagoda!
My guess? A north carolina proposal.
The 32,250-long-ton (32,770 t) design "A" was one of the first proposals. Unlike "B" and "C", it was far below the treaty-mandated limit of 35,000–tons. It would have carried nine 14–inch guns in its main battery; although all of the turrets were forward of the superstructure, the guns could still fire forward provided that they were elevated to 4.5 degrees or more. The secondary battery planned was twelve 5-inch (127 mm) were unusually arranged in triple mounts.
are there records of one of these getting BTFO with a single shot?
>dat ship
what is that from?
Well, the Japanese had a serious stability issue in the 1930s, when a bunch of their top heavy dds and cls toppled over in storms. I think the Fusos and Ises were protected against that, and the actual Pagoda wasn't overly heavy. I don't know of one of them actually collapsing, but other spot top masts were brought down in WW1 and in pearl harbor.
Looks like Steel Ocean.
Steel Ocean, on Steam, Free. Pretty Fun, better then WoWs.
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Is that the USS Spud?
My favourite standard.
Nah, it is just her big sister New Mexico.
Take a look at this shit.
archives.chicagotribune.com
>only 3 guns per turret
Not enough maximum battleship for me.
>archives.chicagotribune.com
I'm looking at the ads, and wishing I could furnish my home with a hand made oak table for only 15.95.
Fuck Ikea quality, I want a solid mahogany dining table.
That is the price of living in the future, you might not have jetpacks or space colonies but at least you've overpriced Swedish furniture and more porn than a man can enjoy during his lifetime.
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Aww yiss such a good picture.
>muh Ramilles
>muh Terror and Erebus
>muh Ajax and Enterprise
The worst thing is that I've no idea why or how it ended up like this.
And 1 turn later they all just decide to give up (following UK deciding that it had enough, for 2nd time during that war too), well not that I really mind; my unrest was 9 and it would had only took couple more months of war for Kaiser to be put against a wall and shot.
I love that it still has the old names for Anson and Howe on it. Not to mention Lion and Temeraire!
Why did they change away from Jellicoe? Did Jellicoe piss on Churchill?
Honestly, Jellicoe was a goddamn hero.
Oh would you just look at the time.
It's FUCK YOU UP OCLOCK!
US NY class was the best WW1 battleship. Fight me.
I really didn't expect this type of ship to be as effective as it is.
I would expect it to be really good at bullying light cruisers and destroyers, hell even under-armoured heavier vessels given the AP of even 6" guns by that point.
The mass of torpedo tubes and high speed is just additional benefits.
I build similar ships but with 8" guns, not normally as high a tonnage as that but nah, it works.
Mah Standards!
And a Nagato, the not quite as cool as a Colorado.
A Colorado with a union Jack, now I have seen everything.
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posting plastic crack
Scale was too big IMHO, but they were nice toys. I hate that buying them was so expensive since it was MYSTERYBOX.
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I love the Revenge class.
So, Beasts of War are gonna run a Midway series starting tomorrow.
How do you lads feel about carrier battles?
>carrier battles
Could not give a fuck.
>How do you lads feel about carrier battles?
Carriers are the Cancer that killed naval battles. And subs.
I see that they built the conning tower of a sub on a battleship.
Japanese already prepared for their ships to sink.
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Funny how things escalate.
>start a war against germany as japan to grab couple of its east asian colonies
>end up causing the collapse of german empire and seize all of their holdings outside of europe
They repaint pretty nice though. I got a bunch in lots and on the singles market, particularly without cards.
Probably way cheaper then ghq as well.
Well, for certain things yes, but the nature of CMGs and being OOP means that certain things are ludicrously expensive. Shapeways has been pretty awesome in providing more affordable and better looking alternatives and for providing things that WotC never released.
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>the actual Pagoda wasn't overly heavy
Most importantly this. "Pagodas" were mostly just extra decks built around the existing tripods, which were strengthened for the purpose, and were largely open space. Nagato and Mutsu's were built on seven-legged masts which were stupidly durable, where the central "leg" was large enough to fit an elevator inside it without compromising stability.
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The story so far:
The Imperial War Ministry of Japan has requested your assistance. The Greater East Asia Prosperity Sphere has been under significant threat from both Commonwealth and Franco-American interests. The Imperial Navy is stretched protecting the expanse of the GEAPS empire from numerous multi-pronged attacks. It would seem that in this period of momentary weakness, the Russian Navy has decided to stake a claim to some of the Kuril Islands. A move so close to the home islands is a serious threat to the security of Japan.
GEAPS intelligence has identified a small raiding party being sent to harass local assets and destabilize the region. With the tensions in the ongoing Russian civil war, the Russian Tsar can only detach a small portion of his Eastern fleet, composed mostly of older vessels. However, unopposed, the raiding fleet could caus significant damage to local merchant shipping and emplaced fortifications in the Kurils. This contract authorizes you to engage the Russian force and hopefully eliminate the threat it represents.
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So we found the Russian fleet, and are currently engaged with 2 Protected Cruiser, 2 Armored Cruisers, and 1 Pre-Dread.
Our own destroyers took some six inch fire, and are pulling back as the main line pulls into range. We've given more then we have taken, but the battle is still young (18 minutes into the engagement)
Legend:
Banshee- a St Vincent class Dreadnaught
Vermont- a Connecticut class Pre-Dread
William- a Rurik class Armored Cruiser
Essex- a County Class cruiser w/ two DD escorts
Horizon- an Omaha Class Light Cruiser w/ two DD escorts
That's an eclectic mix.
Banshee has already shredded the bridge of one of the Dmitri Donskoi AC's with its 12 inch guns and moved to engage the Borodino pre-dread. The Vermont has split its fire between the second Donskoi and supporting the lighter squadron against one of the Bogatyr's. Missing with everything, except its 8 inchers which blew up the Donskoi's port launch. Our lighter cruisers and DD's are pulling back under smoke.
>blew up the Donskoi's port launch
Yeah! No Shore leave for you fuckers!
We also looking for a new player to round out our fleet. We have a shiny Minotaur Armored Cruiser as well as a Rurik AC
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Rurik? This thing? I feel sorry for whoever gets stuck with it.
I guess that he is talking about the Vickers built Rurik with 4 10 inchers.
This bad boy right here.
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>maybe even a certain bote based vidya that tickles our autism in just the right way.
Which one is that?
>lets add triple turrets on nagato
>better do it in the most unaesthetic way possible
Wait... please tell me this isn't official.
It is, guys at Kadokawa have a fetish for slapping triple turrets on nip boats during their fantasy refits.
As a gentle/m/an I could see the triples as the superfiring set if it used her old rigging design. It would've been able to fit those Type-98's better as well. But this strikes a nerve with my /k/ AND my /m/ at the same time.
Kinda digging the outfit though.
>nagato with triples
REEEEEEEEE
But wait, it gets dumber.
>In her Kai Ni form, Nagato is capable of equipping Daihatsu Landing Craft, Daihatsu Landing Craft (Type 89 Medium Tank & Landing Force), Toku Daihatsu Landing Craft, Toku Daihatsu Landing Craft + 11th Tank Regiment, and Special Type 2 Amphibious Tank.
>Nagato Kai Ni is also the only battleship capable of using small-caliber main guns normally exclusive to Destroyers.
Wonder what they were smoking when they decided to make her an amphibious assault support battleship that can be armed with 13cm main guns.
What is it now, Combined Arms Collection? First land based planes, now ground vehicles?
LCVP master race when
Nagato is already something of an oddity by 1944, having received a series of unusual armor additions to her turtle deck consisting of 6-8in Vickers cemented and additional homogeneous plates over *some* of her machinery spaces. She also had the turrets designed and built for Tosa which featured internal armored bulkheads based on contemporary British design.
The triple 41cm mounts were drafted by Hiraga as a possible version of #13, though I don't have the drafts in front of me so I'm not sure they would fit Nagato as-designed and iirc they had no internal bulkheads due to space restrictions. But if built subsequently fitting them to Nagato, which was already a cobbled-together mess of armor schemes and incremental improvements, absolutely wouldn't stand out as unusual.
To be fair she spent a lot of time shuttling troops and materiel, so if you wanted an amphibious support ship that could do all those things you could make dumber decisions than a slow battleship who has to compete with bigger botes for a niche.
And historically speaking the Type 98 was also mounted to Taiho and the last few light cruisers designed. So fitting it to a battleship that's already WAY off the historical reservation is far from the weirdest thing going on here.
Airship girls when?
How about Light Aircraft Carrier Suzuya?
IIRC the logic that people guessed was behind this was the similarity of the Ibuki's original design to the Mogami class, and Ibuki's hull being turned into an aircraft carrier that was never completed.
The aviation cruiser design actually makes sense, as Mogami was actually rebuilt that way. Ibuki is the only reason why conversion to a light carrier makes any damn sense and it's a stretch.
It's a stretch, but possible.
I seem to remember reading that the Japanese Navy actually considered going whole hog CVL with the Mogamis in their conversion, but eventually (read: quickly) discarded the idea as impractical, unrealistic, too expensive, and a waste of a CA.
Basically, even they realized that making that conversion late in life would introduce hundreds, if not more, bugs and kinks into the system that they could not afford to work out.
Guess that made them at least bit smarter than krauts and the whole silliness that they did with Seydlitz/Weser.
They wouldn't have been as useful as other CVL conversions, that's for sure.
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God that makes me rock hard.
Where do I sign up?
How do I control battles in Rule the Waves? My ships just keep sailing in a straight line, then hugging the coast.
what program is this? it looks interesting.
That is Rule the Waves, which is commonly brought up in these threads a lot.
s1.zetaboards.com
Sign up there. Using this format "Capt. Firstname Lastname." Once you have signed up, find the Bloodwake sub-forum and access it. That will let you poke around and check things out.
First check if the division you try to command has square or triangle shaped flag, if it is triangle it is under AI control. If it is square click the red arrow in the lower left corner and then click on the map in direction where you want your boats to go.
I actually made one for wargaming with an extra hull.
Because lets face it, seaplane cruisers were dumb.
Probably because it probably among the best bote games currently available.