Elves or Dwarves?

Elves with tradie personalities

Noldor>Dwarves>Bosmer/Dunmer>All other elves.

Why don't we breed the two to get the master race?

Humans?

>make quality weapons and armor that last forever
>build catacombs that need no maintainance
>be warriors that can take a beating and kick ass

Plz.

I did to fuck with my fellow snowflake players, and she doesnté even look like a dwarf/elf!

>either manlet vikings or pretty hobbits
>master race

Man those elves really are bad ass.

Different races shouldn't be able to breed. Fuck off half elves and half orcs!

kek, no.

>haha xD elfs [sic] are 4 sex!
fuck off.

Why not both? It's not like they're competing for the same land or resources.

right because it was dwarven weapons that were found in a troll cave forge in the first age...

youtube.com/watch?v=mdbIPO9-nbg

We aren't discussing the Middle Earth setting faggot. In Tolkien, everything non-elf was shit. Did your great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandfather was an elf?? You will be a great hero!!

And im sure you have some cherry picked setting where everything non dwarf is shit.

>Cant see this magic door? must be dwarven!
>This sword is perfect. still sharp after 200 years... dwarven
>Armor that can stop everything ever? you bet its dwarven!
>This pastry is light and fluffy so its got to be dwarven.

Dont you have a hole to dig or something?
Maybe drink some beer too?

youtube.com/watch?v=ytWz0qVvBZ0

Well yeah, a character isn't relatable or likeable if they're the best at everything and they have no faults.
Why would it be any different with elves just because there's an entire race of them?

They are pompous assholes and their arrogance gets them killed.

dwarves are flaming dickheads that will hold a grudge on you and your family for 15 generations if not just kill you on the spot because you spilled his beer.

>Well yeah, a character isn't relatable or likeable if they're the best at everything and they have no faults.
Funny how this works for dwarves as well.

Explain that to Humans who interbred with Neanderthals or Denisovans

As a moderately obssessive man myself, I've always preferred dwarves

Mexicans.

Elf, on the basis that it's somewhat possible to tolerate the prevailing stereotype. Post-DF dwarves are belligerent kender with sociopathy instead of kleptomania.

>They are pompous assholes and their arrogance gets them killed.
So like I said, they aren't likeable. The closest thing they have to a fault is being full of themselves over how much better they are than everyone else.

>dwarves are flaming dickheads that will hold a grudge on you and your family for 15 generations if not just kill you on the spot because you spilled his beer.
Can you cite a work of fiction where this happened?

Dwarves are only ever treated as though they're perfect by people who are reacting to how people treat elves.
Even then, dwarves are still fat hairy midgets. Nobody tries to turn dwarves into sexy anime prettyboy self-inserts. Some people like dawarves, but I'm not convinced that anyone really wants to *be* one.

>crosseyed, bowlegged, halfling with a padawan braid

This is why we stick to our own.

>Nobody tries to turn dwarves into sexy anime prettyboy self-inserts
No, but into ever manly super stronk self-inserts whose "faults" are supposed to be endearing and whacky. Dwarfaboos will ignore or overcompensate whatever a dwarf is not the best at. The fact that dwarves are shit at DEX things never matter, his stubborness will poof the trap out of existence he was about to fall into. That they are shit at range doesn't matter, either their heavy infantry just shrugs it off or they actually have the best gunline because of cannons and crossbows. That they are shit at magic doesn't matter because of magic resistence and/or runes. They are not fat and ugly, they are manly. That they are small is never a disadvantage. Forget how short they arms must be, dwarfaboos will never accept that they should have problems actually hitting a thing before getting hit. Or it doesn't matter because of their armor. And their anti-social behavior, their greed, their stubborness, their staunch conservatism? Either played for laughs, never as a real disadvantage. Or an actual advantage that makes them better at something. A drunk dwarf that starts demolishing the room is oh so dorfy, a dwarf insulting everyone because someone stepped on his toe is just hilarious.

>Can you cite a work of fiction where this happened?
Warhammer dwarves are pretty much this.

The difference is that dwarves tend to be played up as comedic relief, while elves people think elves are actually cool.
Most situations where a dwarf seems overpowered work because people don't expect the angry little alchoholic to succeed, it's a basic expectation/subversion comedy setup. With elves it's just a person who's the best at everything being the best at everything, presented with complete seriousness.
If there's a setting where dwarves are depicted as being the best at everything ever in complete seriousness then I'm not defending that.

>Mexicans.
Someone needs to use KoW's generic Kingdom Of Men lists to make a Mexico themed army.

>The difference is that dwarves tend to be played up as comedic relief, while elves people think elves are actually cool.
I've rarely seen anything like that. Dwarfaboos in my experience are just as genuine about it as elf fans.

>If there's a setting where dwarves are depicted as being the best at everything ever in complete seriousness then I'm not defending that.
Dwarf Fortress.

>The difference is that dwarves tend to be played up as comedic relief, while elves people think elves are actually cool
Yeah, just look at the first few posts in this thread.

I came here to post this.

>Dwarf Fortress.
I've seen you make a few other posts in this thread, and you just seem butthurt at bay12 forum memes.

In DF, the only thing the dwarves are best at is forging and engineering. Elves have their own skills relating to tree and animal magic that's not in the game yet. Goblins have stuff involving demons and are pretty good at forging too. Humans are kinda shit though, yeah. But dwarves aren't the best at everything.

Both of course. Elves for being nancy ass faggots and retarded hippies. Dwarves for being runty autismal neckbeards without personal hygiene.

>Dwarfaboos in my experience are just as genuine about it as elf fans.
It's probably just a case of the worst people being the most vocal in both cases, but remember that this is about dwarves vs elves and not people who like dwarves vs people who like elves.
The real issue I have with elves is that being overpowered is directly baked into the Tolkien lore that everyone bases their depiction of elves off of, to the extent that it's one of the only things that distinguishes elves from humans at all. Dwarves can be depicted as overpowered, but at least there isn't a precedent for it right from the start.

I don't really see how any of those posts disprove my point.

And that's why she's perfect, for she has the advantages of neither. I like playing with a disadvantage.

And where do you find these overpowered elves? In lore and especially in crunch? Maybe in both warhammer 40k and fantasy, though these are army games and they get toned down in the rpgs. It sure aren't DnD elves, which are toned down as well. Where can I really play these super-human that don't get overshadowed by humans with their extra feats?

AD&D and older

Elves.

Only insecure neckbeards with powerfantasies and cognitive dissonance would want to roleplay as fat beared manlets.

Elves are also a power fantasy but a honest one and generally leans towards positive traits.

Dwarves.

Only insecure neckbeards with powerfantasies and cognitive dissonance would want to play as a perfect ass knife eared piece of shit.

Dwarves are a honorable straightforward and solid fantasy race and don't need 7 subtypes to keep them interesting.

>dwarves
>interesting
It was a solid effort.
>knife ear
I take that back.

Yeah! +Strength and +Inches, bitches!

>collected, insightful, even a bit humble
>angry, insulting, praises dwarves
Really makes you think.

>interesting
Kek

>catacombs
>like digging ground
>like breaking nature
>like getting dirty

Remind to all that elves are liars and should never be trusted unless you are the world hero faggot or something.

You wanna look like a girl?

Neither.

Really makes you shitpost.

Succubus or Elf?

corpses

Elf. The succubus doesn't just want sex and but your semen, gender-swaps and impregnates someone else.

Elves.

The standard dwarf stereotype would be impossible to live with. They're angry, greedy, and keep grudges over the pettiest of shit. If you give me the choice between hanging out with a reserved but extremely honorable and good-hearted tall dude and a shorty in a constant state of envious fury, I'm going to go for the former.

Looks like we've got a kinky edgemeister here.

You wanna look like a bearded lesbian?

Genuine question;
If an elf and a dwarf fucked, what would come from it? A half-dwarf-half-elf? A dwarf or elf? A gnome?

And if it is a half-dwarf-half-elf, what would it be like?

This is why half-anything should never have happened.

Depends on the setting

Nothing.
The man wouldn't get a boner.
The egg wouldn't be fertilized.
The woman would die before there was a birth.

A human.

Tall and thin + short and wide makes normal and normal

>A skinny tall guy is now supposed to look like a girl.

If you stopped mastrubating to Japanese trap porn maybe you'd notice something wrong with your perception.

Nothing.

Dwarves can't interbreed with humans or orcs let alone elves.

that's a pretty harsh thing to say man

Something from Dark Sun (that I can't remember the name of off the top of my head and don't care enough to look up) that's basically, "Angry Gladiator Slave: Racial Edition."

Friendly reminder

Fantastic meme. Upvoted.

you have to go back, no one wants you here

Mul, but it's a recipe that needs human F+ dwarf M.

Half-elves.

Elves, because I enjoy myself some innawoods

>ITT everyone use the shitty warhammer dwarf stereotype

Tolkien dwarves are like that too.

Petty, greedy, indignant, etc. Remember that Tolkien dwarves were so greedy, they started a war over a trinket they had already been paid to make.

Urist

>DF dwarves being good at anything
They fuckin suck, dude. They are typically too small for many weapons and their civilizations are invariably wiped out by goblins, necromancers or humans.

Elves. They're generally more versatile in concept, and their wide appeal makes it a bit easier to stomach the deviant-art-tier garbage and snowflakes because you see plenty of non-autists who enjoy them as well.

I don't necessarily dislike Dwarves, but there really isn't much variation beyond the most superficial shit. They're greedy, belligerent, alcoholic manlets who live in caves, hate everything, and whose fandom has a higher concentration of obnoxious autism than most other traditional races.

Dwarf-fags will never be as obnoxious as HFY though.
>Durr elves are for rape
>Humans best race we wus conkraz
>Purge subhumans!!11!1

God I'm bitter.

This bitterness has made you see the truth of this world.

Ribbon every day.

Elves. Why would I want to be a gay midget? Granted I generally prefer some sort of big, powerful race as opposed to a race of bears or twinks.

Elves.

Fuck Veeky Forums and its dwarf fascination so fucking much. I don't particularly like elves, but dwarves are complete shit. They're static across nearly all of fantasy and if you move them too far away from their stereotypes then there's no sense calling them dwarves anymore. Their standard culture can just be replaced by humans in almost all circumstances, and most of the fucking time you'll have a nation of bearded gruff men in the same fucking setting anyways.

Dwarves are the second biggest perpetrator for boring proxy human races after halflings, even fucking half-humans squeeze out better ground. Awful race with an awful playerbase.

You're bitter because you're correct.

Being right is unfortunately the opposite of being happy.

Dwarves but I hate how people go lazy with them and makes the same characters over and over again. I like the approach of more magical dwarves.
Elves are fine as long as they are not mary sue special snowflakes.
Fuck the entire dwarf-elf hate autism, though