The Thread Where Rokuten Posts More Non-Space Marine Shit
Warmasters Triumvirate is an attempt at creation yet another 40k AU. The Primarchs have changed, and instead of appointing a single Warmaster upon returning to Terra, the Emperor leaves the Great Crusade in the care of three of his sons. This eventually culminates in a civil war between Loyalists, Chaos Traitors and Seperatists...
Things to work on: >Fluff out the Sepratist Movement as a whole >Begin work on the Auxiliaries of all the Factions >Fill up the three factions as evenly as possible >Continue fluffing out the legions we already have >Decide on who the three Warmasters are >Make sure the Chaos Gods are properly represented >Work on the Relationship of the Primarchs
Calling them Brotherhood of the Abyss for the moment.
David Diaz
I've finished my reply to Sarco's promt last thread, about the Legion's most major defeat (pre-Heresy):
The Titan Marchers’ greatest failure during the Great Crusade took place on the planet Peorus, capital world of the Hundris Republic of Peorus. The Hundris were a highly technologically advanced xenos race most easily described as anthropomorphic hounds, though their skin was more akin to leather, instead of being covered in fur.
While the original encounter with the 19th Expedition fleet, an Expedition fleet headed by Death’s Heads Korpsmarshall Ernst Ganswindt, was non-aggressive, the situation soon escalated once the Death’s Heads found the remnants of a human colony on one of the system’s planets, clearly destroyed by of Hundris weaponry.
The Death’s Heads waged a brutal campaign against the Republic, with the ferocity and terror that had come to be expected from the VIth. During the conflict it became obvious that the Hundris placed large parts of their military in the care of abominable intelligence. The Republic’s capital world, Peorus, however, turned out to be a particularly viable world, one worthy of being absorbed by the Imperium of Man, as long as the xenos could be purged.
The Hundris were dug in deep and the 19th Expedition fleet did not have the necessary Titanicus attachments in order to siege Peorus large capital fortress-city, Peorhem. Noting that a Titan Marchers fleet had recently finished a campaign a number of systems away, Korpsmarshall Ganswindt ordered his astropaths to make contact and request the XVIIth legion’s aid. The 77th Expedition fleet, lead by Chapter Master Parkaso Gurai, arrived in system a couple of weeks later, ready to join the fight on Peorus. Ganswindt and Gurai agreed on their course of action. The Titan Marchers would take Peorhem, while the Death’s Heads would secure the rest of the planet and begin purging the xenos scum.
Brayden Jackson
Peorhem was defended by several AI systems, controlling massive autocannons, anti-air weaponry and impressive void shielding. The city’s surface appeared to be one big fortress, with intelligence suggesting the population itself had been moved underground. The Marchers laid siege to the bastion, eventually focussing their fire on a single point and breaking the void shields. At that point Gurai sent in over 3000 marines, including veterans and Dreadnoughts and two Titan Legios, Legio Astraman and Legio Xestobiax. This was the time to strike!
However, the Hundris had outsmarted the rash Chapter Master. The capital’s population, as well as the Hundris’ leaders, had already been moved to several secret locations across the planet. To Gurai’s shame, the siege had been a waste of time. Gurai did not have much time to regret his mistake however, as shortly after the discovery had been made dozens, if not hundreds of nuclear weapons exploded underneath Peorhem’s surface. Peorhem had been a trap.
Thousands of Titan Marchers died that day, and most of the Titan Legios had perished. The Death’s Heads managed to purge the planet eventually, but the 77th Exploration fleet had been devastated. After the campaign on Peorus had been finished up, the 77th fleet returned to Manaan, where Raj was waiting for Gurai.
Raj scolded Gurai for hours, some even say days. His lack of proper recon had cost him most of his chapter and almost two entire Titan Legios. Gurai was stripped of his position and stationed on Manaan to train Neophytes. Gurai did not protest. He had already been given the name 'Gurai the Broken'.
Andrew Jackson
What do people think of the idea of the XVth having stealth battleships or having improved warp drives to allow them to translate closer to a gravity well. The idea would be for them to get up close and suddenly appear like a romulan warbird decloaking or that image of a deep sea predator lighting up for the kill.
With this, fear and terror are also used as weapons. Voxes filled with screams. I've mentioned it somewhat with the campaign in Khodos, but I'm thinking a certain level of dread is used wherever they can. They're not Night Lords about it, so much as trying to lock the enemy for a critical moments with surprise and fear. It's less useful against xenos monsters, but they make use of things like null auras and actinic fields to disquiet the enemy. The Admech stuff plays a major role in this. They'll do things like surround an enemy and pound the fortress walls with artillery and unleash thallax, charonites, or on rare occasions, Elver into a gap, infiltrate them into the fortress to hunt.
I like it. Does Gurai show up again?
Brody Miller
I'd argue that's exceptionally advanced technology that gives the XVth too much of an advantage for very little cost.
If the Separatist legions are going to get significant technological advantages, they need to come with costs. For example, leaving the Warp closer to gravity wells is less due to improved Warp drives and more due to taking the inhibitors and restraints off. This means that landing close to a gravity well without crashing into the source of the gravity well requires a lot of courage and/or stupidity, a great deal of precision and accurate guesswork and finally, a healthy dose of luck. This likely has led to at least a few occasions where they've lacked at least one of those prerequisites and ended up smashing into a planet's surface the moment they emerged from the Warp.
As for the stealth option, again, I'd suggest either going with technology with high chance of backfiring spectacularly or a brave yet stupid mundane decision. If you go with the latter, have the legion's ships run silent for hours, perhaps day or even weeks at a time. I'm talking about turning off every last system on the vessel - engines, generators, life support - and letting the momentum take the ship to where it needs to go. The Space Marines just sit in silence, patiently waiting in temperatures that are on the border of absolute zero, ready to reactivate the ship's systems at a moment's notice. Sure, some sensors might be able to detect something drifting past them but they'll likely only realize it's a ship and not an asteroid when the vessel comes to life or if they get close enough to see it - at which point, they're fucked.
Connor Scott
I'm thinking of having Gurai show up again at a later point. My idea was to have him regain his honor and dignity when Manaan comes under attack during the Heresy, when Raj is off fighting somewhere else.
Some good points here. Tech advantages need significant risks attached in 40k.
Aiden Smith
That's a damn good point. I think there will be a few critical battles at the height of the heresy where they do risk the fleet on a dangerous warp translation, with mixed results.
The silent running, I think, will be more typical.
Isaiah Hernandez
Also, since everyone's pointing at Gregoire for 'first Primarch to be discovered by the Emperor,' I've got to ask:
What's the ideal age for the Primarch that gets found first? This is important because every other Primarch will be discovered at a later stage in their life than the one that got found first. So if anyone gets found by the Emperor during their adolescence or even childhood, the first one to get found will need to one-up that.
Benjamin Wright
Ehm, I've considered that, but I don't think that's actually the case. Some Primarchs were kept in the warp for longer most likely. That's why Horus is actually considered to be the oldest and Alpharius is considered the youngest.
Bentley King
Well in OU the primarchs were adults by the time the Emperor found them, with the culture of their upbringing in turn changing the culture of their legions. So I'd say anywhere from mid teens to young adult (18-25) would be the youngest I'd be willing to ever make a primarch.
Matthew Diaz
I think for Gregoire, young adult makes sense. Gives him time to rule in style.
Side note, I'm thinking Gyahdred gets found a few years before the first Rangdan Xenocide. So the 840s. Means the legion's first major campaign is Rangda. Also thinking Ryamtscho is up north-east, on the front lines for that war.
Xavier Davis
>Gives him time to rule in style.
Hudson Hill
Rangdan could also help explain the Elver mutation, as they were known as Cerbevores. Perhaps the act of eating the mind/brain of an astartes created a psychic imprint on their primarch; one that has remained ever since.
I need a better name than "gorgomonger" for my chaos xenos. Pic related.
Juan Morgan
>IVth Legion Astartes v1.0
Anthony Perez
>IVth Legion Astartes v2.1
Brayden Lopez
Sorry guys. Was at work.
Well then the 3rd but can Deshain be the one putting Gregoire in his dreadsuut. Because je dropped out? That would be a cool thing to do.
And i was not attacking the doc. I was just amused.
But I still thinl the potential for the other order is too cool to let it go Maybe in the Future for another project.
And thatguy is may standard online name
David Wilson
>IVth Legion Astartes v2.2
These are the Pre-Silver Blades Silver Blades, when they still were the IVth Legion. Personally, the one I like the most is the v1.0, it's different from the later true Silver Blade scheme, and gives the Legion enough character before meeting the Primarch. Thoughts?
Charles Morgan
>Sorry guys. Was at work. I was at work when I joined this and you use that excuse?
Get out. You're fired. You're through. Terminated. No motivation. No will. None.
Chase Brown
The dreadnought idea was scrapped close to a week ago, due to the prevalence of dreadnought Primarchs in other AUs.
Although, I would like someone to be responsible for crippling Gregoire during one of the final battles that the Separatists take part in during the Heresy/Secession.
Ryan Long
>Stomped by aTitan Marcher's Warlord Titan while fighting Linares
Luis Evans
That becomes far less sinister when you remember the robots say that after their pseudo orgy is interrupted. So our cybernetic friend may have just been blueballed
Jayden Ross
Darn. It could have been such a great moment. At the end? Be my guest.
Well cellphones are not allowed in class. And as I am in front I can't use it.
Other topic. So who should be chaos warmaster? Imho it should be someone u divided because you need the acceptance of every chaos god. So who is there?
Austin Reed
>Other topic. So who should be chaos warmaster? Imho it should be someone u divided because you need the acceptance of every chaos god. So who is there? The Emperor.
Kayden Moore
That would be real chaos. Emperor rebelling against himself.
Liam Gray
Well, we should have 3 undivided legions, yeah?
That could work. Perhaps this means that the legion volunteered for the second and third rounds in hopes of breaking the Curse. Records that survive indicate that this did not work out and events at the climax of the third Rangdan Xenocide are the reason the librarius was shut down until the middle of the heresy.
Sebastian Gomez
Discarding the Forge Lords as an option because of the Hashut thing, it looks like the choice is between the Leviathans and the Loxodontii.
Michael Anderson
It doesn't matter which god the warmaster follows, they'll all break apart anyway.
John Jackson
The Loxodontii also don't work, since Ashur gets backstabbed by his own legion.
Jaxon Bailey
IMO, the third warmaster doesn't even have to be Chaos.
Xavier Brown
It could be as follows:
Since the Leviathan Host's lore is pretty much setting them up as Arch-Traitors, we could have Ashur be the official Warmaster chosen into position by Emps. The major reason why his legion backstabs him is because he didn't take steps to secularise his men and so the chaplains turn them all to open chaos worship, which pretty much could make the shaman Barabash I have set up already make contact with Marduk as the two have received visions from the dark gods that they are allies. Marduk becomes the leading figure of the Chaos-fleet after Ashur is enslaved with support from Barabash as a renown psyker and chaos worshipper among the ranks. It could pretty much be that the breaking of the Loxodontii marks the official beginning of the chaos heresy, after which Marduk rallies the other legions to beeline for Terra but because of their unruly warmongery the force disperses into skirmishes across the northern fringes of the Imperium.
Zachary Green
The Collaring of Ashur being the start of the Heresy work well enough, but that would mean the other legions have to be on board by that point.
Sebastian Ross
Marduk collaborating with Barabash and slowly infiltrating the other legions shouldn't be that difficult. Especially the far-spread Loxodontii expeditions fleets would easily come into contact with other legions and spread the word.
Elijah Thompson
So one idea that has been suggested to me is that the Brotherhood of the Abyss becomes aware of webway gates-- idea being that they're involved in research on the warp, and, at some point, find a broken webway gate. Along with Gyahdred's own slinking around on Terra ala Moritarion, the legion develops a drive system based on warped webway technologies. It's some sort of warp dive that makes use of the currents around the webway itself to fling ships faster, relying on the deep currents of the warp to get them where they want to be before surfacing suddenly in a method akin to a webway portal. Said slingshotting typically burns out a few psykers in the process and has the potential to go horribly, horribly wrong, but during and post heresy, desperation forces them to attempt it. This too, perhaps has something to do with why they shut down their Librarius following the 3rd Rangdan, where something goes horribly horribly wrong with all the psykers in the legion.
Else I can just have them disable their safety overrides, but I think riding the deep currents has a certain flair to it. Naturally something with this also ends up fucking with the webway on Terra and ends up screwing everybody over, though I'm not sure quite how yet.
Levi Williams
I definitely like this.
I think it would work best in a scenario where it starts off as a war of succession and then things get out of hand.
Jayden Jackson
Succession war about who becomes next warmaster or emperor?
Because no we're not letting the emperor die at the beginning of the brotherwar.
Jose Price
>Because no we're not letting the emperor die at the beginning of the brotherwar. Why not?
Ian Turner
Because the concequences of that would be too major. The idea was to take out the Emperor earlier on though.
Nolan Perez
Speaking of the Hashut thing, how would you feel if the Forge Lords fell to chaos independently from the other traitor legions? I was playing with the idea of Mot Hadad visiting Zharr-Naggrund at some point during his tenure as the praetor of Terra after Ullanor and deciding that he had had enough of the Emperor's ostensible shit and the remaining smith-kings indoctrinate him into their cult, which (surprise surprise) worships Hashut as a builder and bringer of progress. Maybe this includes some kind of vision of the Imperium stagnating while the Emperor sits on Terra doing nothing about it.
Cooper Anderson
>Because the concequences of that would be too major. Really? We're changing all the legions and having three warmasters, completely altering the course of history. Killing the Emperor is not that big a deal, especially since he's going to die anyway.
Logan Cruz
How so? Gives everyone a reason to fight? And I wasn't thinking of him dying so much as being critically injured, like if he got choked out by that warboss. He's not dead, but he's been taken back to Terra and the Custodes basically put the planet on lockdown for fear that chaos will take advantage of the situation. The Custodes handle the situation poorly and there's a scramble to fill the power vacuum. Malcador is prevented from repairing the situation somehow, too. The Emperor gets better, but by that time the galaxy is already in the middle of civil war and chaos is making its move.
Something like that.
Asher Turner
>Parallels
Zachary Cruz
Possible reasons: >The Emperor is the only thing keeping mankind together and away from Chaos, in the first place. His removal is therefore a prime motivation for the chaos gods to corrupt his sons into a chaos fighting force and attacking Terra >With the Emperor dead, the loyalist forces would immediately accept the separatists as their lieges as they are the next best thing, thus not leading to the intended 3-way brotherwar >Deviating from the original plot too much creates so much unnecessary extra work and these projects already take forever to reach anywhere near completion, already
There's thousands of other reasons to fight, empy dyeing at the beginning however takes away good driving points to the plot.
Why didn't you say so earlier? That's something I can get behind rather than emps being removed completely. A misunderstanding, then.
Adam Adams
>empy dyeing at the beginning however takes away good driving points to the plot. Like?
William Cook
This sounds much better to me. I'm not in favor of killing off the Emperor just to be contrarian. If we kill off the Emperor we'll have to figure out the exact consequences that would have for the Imperium, which is something I'm not particularly interested in getting into. Him getting critically injured is much easier to deal with.
David Turner
>With the Emperor dead, the loyalist forces would immediately accept the separatists as their lieges as they are the next best thing, thus not leading to the intended 3-way brotherwar Or they don't accept the separatists as their lieges.
>Deviating from the original plot too much creates so much unnecessary extra work and these projects already take forever to reach anywhere near completion, already It would take the exact same amount of work.
Grayson Cook
May I redirect you to this screencap.
Basically, lots of envy, again the point that without an Emps, Chaos has no reason to muster an actual force to fight because then the gods would just corrupt mankind on their own, and an actual unifying force for the loyalists, because if the separatists are only lip-servicing to their warmaster after their secession it's just as well the loyalists would either splinter or , as aforementioned, just switch over to the secessionists.
Caleb Carter
>Basically, lots of envy, again the point that without an Emps, Chaos has no reason to muster an actual force to fight because then the gods would just corrupt mankind on their own These guys don't have a reason to muster a fighting force?
None of the gods have a reason not to corrupt the primarchs. The death of the Emperor could only expedite their plans. If the primarchs are vulnerable, then they seize the opportunity. Perhaps their corruption even began before the Emperor's death.
Also, the gods are, and always have been, corrupting mankind on their own.
>because if the separatists are only lip-servicing to their warmaster after their secession it's just as well the loyalists would either splinter or , as aforementioned, just switch over to the secessionists. Depends entirely on their devotion to the Imperium and the warmaster's influence. Besides, I was going to initially have the Ogre Legion as loyalist before breaking off anyway.
Oliver Perez
I tried to say that from the beginning, but it wasn't terribly clear.
I definitely don't want the Emperor dead, either, since that requires all kinds of work on his nature. And we did that last AU. I think here we want him as a vegetable as in the OU.
The big question in the Emperor injury scenario is when Nikea and the Warmastering happen. Assuming we want the heresy to occur at about the same time as it does in the OU, I think the easiest solution is to have the Warmasters chosen at the outset of the campaign and to skip Nikea. Given the distribution of the legions, it doesn't look like psykers are a critical question in this setting. If we need something like it, we can move Nikea before Ullanor.
Actually, now that I think of it, I like it. Nikea shuts down the librarius program, then Ullanor happens and the Emperor is sent back to Terra in critical condition. The legions finish the campaign in revenge. Power jockeying begins soon afterwards, but the critical event is when somebody violates the edict of Nikea and Je'sha? Orders their censure. Shit hits the fan because Gregoire brings a legion or two and interposes himself with the censure fleet, but being the Sun King, he just makes matters worse by saying he should be the one to make unilateral decisions. Assur also gets pissy, protesting Je'sha's actions and Gregoire's claims to supremacy. Things escalate from there.
Hunter Nelson
>I think here we want him as a vegetable as in the OU. You mean dead as in the OU?
>The rest I kinda like it too.
Matthew Allen
I agree with Xun here. Let's put the Emperor on the Golden Throne as a vegetable. The Emperor dying has massive implications on the setting, most of which have already been explored during IA. I'm not interested in killing off the Emperor again.
Hunter King
If we kill Empy, what happens with the webway? Terra would be consumed by daemons, and you know, it's pure fuckery. I think the Emprah should 1) stay alive longer than in the OU 2) become a veggie or something, getting out of the way.
Killing him would let 6 Primarchs w/o leader, they would either create new empires or go with the other factions. Killing one of our 3 factions in the process.
Nathaniel Howard
Pictured is some notes for yet another AU I was trying to make on my own. It's some basics for a biker gang/cowboy legion I had in mind. Look at the primarch's name: Carter Cain. We have a gunslinging primarch named Kane.
Any theories as to how this coincidence happened? I feel like there's some movie reference there, but I can't think of it. Maybe Cain/Kane sounds like a name for a cowboy.
>Let's put the Emperor on the Golden Throne as a vegetable. The Emperor dying has massive implications on the setting, most of which have already been explored during IA. >Implying he didn't die in the OU Vegetables don't rot into skeletons.
Alexander Jenkins
Why would Nikea happen before Ullanor? Even under such situations, if we assume it's the close combat specialists that get sent to Ullanor this time again, I could very easily see Pacha ordering his psykers to go all out again mid-battle, he's not letting the SMs nor the Emperor get butchered even if it's under the latter's orders.
Benjamin Hernandez
This is very good. I'm in.
Although, the thing is that Ashur is anti-psyker, so he'd likely agree with the censure. It would take Gregoire to be really, really overbearing and Je'she to be really bringing it down hard on the censured legion.
Ayden James
After 10 thousand fucking years, everybody has been dead for at least 9900
Andrew Walker
This looks like a good course of action. I'm on it.
Adam Cook
Maybe from the series kung fu^^
Very good concept from you and elephant.
Even if there are loyal sons to the emperor. There is one who stands by and then retreats....damdamdam....deshain kane....
Considering the webway: nothing happens because there is no magnus who destroys the wards. The emperor who is hurt on ulanor hasn't even begun with tge work so there is no rift on terra.
If the emperor dies thej there is no astronomicon and tge falaxy ends in darkness. No navigator can steer the vessels through the warp and we have a new age of darkness.
Easton Sanders
Brainstorming what else could happen to the Emperor....
1: He neither dies completely nor Golden Thrones as in canon, but rather gets a degenerative malady from some source. He's more active than canon, but tails off over time.
2: He pulls a Jaghatai in the final Siege of Terra or thereabouts. Something happens with the Webway Project, the Emperor steps in directly to solve it, ____________ happens and the Emperor's lost in the Webway, perhaps never to be seen again. Perhaps he even still runs the Astronomicon, giving the people faith, and its ebb and flow is interpreted as the Emperor getting closer and further from return.
3: Emperor is frozen in stasis by someone or thing, Guilliman style. He's clearly not dead, maybe even emerged the definitive victor against the ChaosMaster without much injury, but he can't power the Throne either, and the Imperium must adjust.
4: Something so *utterly horrifying* happens to or because of his sons that the Emperor actually reconsiders whether or not humanity is worth saving. The Emperor outright abandons humanity to its own devices, leaving the three factions to battle it out for what's left.
5: It's not just the ChaosMaster fighting the Emperor on Terra, it's most or all of the Chaos Primarchs. Unlike fighting Horus, the Emperor can clearly see how deep the rot goes and fights at full burn from the very beginning since he's greatly outnumbered. Pooling their resources and the power of Chaos, the Chaos Primarchs cast the Emperor directly into the Warp itself, deep, deep beyond the Webway and normal Imperial travel. This probably kills most of the Chaos guys, but the Emperor is utterly removed from human space for an indefinite period of time. (Although as time goes on, perhaps the servants of Chaos find their powers getting weaker and weaker, and the Gods growing ever more quiet...)
Thoughts?
Kevin Morales
Why do we have to have Ullanor? >Maybe from the series kung fu Never heard of it.
Brandon Campbell
Canon Nikaea was first and foremost powermongering among the primarchs shitting up Magnus' agenda, exploiting an already existing tendency of the Emperor and coupling it to the existing fear of the risk that psykers are.
Yes, the use of psykers was discussed, but ultimately it was Magnus fucking up in cleaning up his own mess that even led to the council. If All the legions just obeyed the official restrictions, all would be fine and well.
So it's fairly easy to have Nikaea happen prior to the Ullanor campaign, especially considering that psykers when encountered on planets on non-Imperial worlds were often tied to occultism and various religious organisations. The Emperor's main creed is Euphoria, after all, so he definitely tries to cull occultism and esotericism wherever he encounters it. There's various legions who're deeply entrenched in these practices or who edge dangerously close to those areas (Loxodontii, the Leviathan Host, possibly the Symphonius Disciples) for Emps to really push the buttons in an attempt to clean his legions up.
So, yeah, Nikaea could happen prior to ullanor, and then something like the Steel Souls or the Golden Mountains disregarding the decree in order to save their lives at Ullanor actually triggers the censure.
David Allen
Because you habe a setting and something akin ot the canon. Jist here it goes deeply wrong with the emperor choked to a lifeless veggy because his sons were not fast enough, watched satisfied.
You don't know the series kung fu with david caradine who wanders the wild west as kung fu fighter named cain?
Jose Scott
>You don't know the series kung fu with david caradine who wanders the wild west as kung fu fighter named cain? I'm fucking twenty.
Michael Barnes
I'm for Option 2.
Ullanor or any similar campaign is a very useful keypoint in the timeline of the plot. Up to that point we have a good timewindow to fill with all legions and primarchs meeting eachother, forging friendships and establishing rivalries if not outright hostilities. Also from the moment of that campaign's completion onward we can actually declare the great crusade where the legions splinter off in their respective expedition tendrils.
Wyatt Hall
Nikea has to be before Ullanor because the Emperor is put in critical condition at Ullanor. He won't recover until the war has begun, by which point it is too late.
Good point. It may be that Assur tells Gregoire to shut up and sit down because justice must be served and then Je'Sha basically unleashes the wolves and destroys the world and Assur is like 'whoa', not cool.
I like #2 or Golden Throne. #3 could work too, but I think we want the Astronomicon.
That would be perfect, actually. Gets shit started immediately and provides a good way for legions to take sides, particularly if the legions to be censured call for help.
So at first, then, we have the: "Uphold the Emperor's Law" "You can't just do that without talking it over" And the "Stop fighting, you idiots" Factions.
Though it occurs to me that if the Gold Mountains are one of the legions to be censured, then we may want it to be Assur ordering their censure, since they end up loyal and supporting Je'Sha. Gregoire would still make the argument that Assur can't do that without talking it over, and then Je'Sha would be the one who thinks oathbreakers need to be punished but Assur has gone way too far.
Lucas Young
Ashur actually calling a censure would make sense for him being an anti-psyker but at the same time Ashur is the one who wants to be friends with everyone whether they like it or not, and I'm pretty sure he and Pacha would be among best buddies because Pacha makes food and Ashur loves food and both legions are pretty much "we're doing this for the common man". It would have to be against a psyker legion with whom Ashur is already on bad footing, unless it is that Ashur calls for a censure after much consideration and then gets pissed because the actually censuring legion wrecks the censured legion when Ashur expected just a slap on the wrist.
Jordan Myers
If you guys don't like that one I had another idea: Mot Hadad sponsors industry on each planet he conquers, up to and including establishing the infrastructure to construct knight titans that fall under his command. The knights' pilots are descended from a knight house that was located on Zharr-Naggrund and are taking advantage of the great crusade to spread their lineage across the stars. The Emperor hears of this practice and tells Mot to knock it off to avoid pissing off the mechanicus, and Mot refuses or does something that results in his censure where he fights another legion and retreats into the Eye.
Adrian Davis
>So at first, then, we have the: >"Uphold the Emperor's Law" >"You can't just do that without talking it over" >And the "Stop fighting, you idiots" Factions.
Building off this I sort of see the Separatists also sort of having the internal logic of: We are born of the Primarchs, who are in turn were born of the Emperor; Therefore we are the rightful heirs to the Imperium, We are the ones who should rule.Humanity does not have the Scope or endurance to lead itself.
Thomas Rodriguez
I don't think you should be trying to take Mot to a level where he becomes 'that other traitor'. Just have him throw in his lot with the other traitors. Things are already muddled enough with the three factions alone.
You can keep the bits of him sponsoring industry and even placing representitives from Knight Houses that are loyal to him on them. That's actually kind of neat.
Carson Morris
This sounds good. It really drives home how incredibly divided the Imperium is without the Emperor, if this is all happening after he gets removed from the picture that is
Brandon Nguyen
Okay. Maybe the Emperor telling him to stop his knight meddling sendsend him into the arms of the chaos traitors where he finds Hashut somehow.
I think we should call the Traitors faction something else, because the separatists are technically traitors as well.
Sebastian Hill
Hmm. I think we may need to wait for Je'Sha, Pacha, and Emil. Might be worth asking if there's anyone Aššur doesn't like.
Can definitely see the Disciples going way too far.
Oh, maybe Je'Sha sics them on Emil, Gregoire intervenes, but Aššur sides with Je'Sha on this one. Then Je'Sha unleashes the Disciples. Gregoire intervenes and chased them off, Je'Sha is pissed, Aššur feels used by Je'Sha.
Aššur is trying to limit the conflict breaking out between Gregoire and Je'Sha and their supporters, but he is handled by his legion and he gets chaos'd?
Actually make it Je'Sha censuring the Soaring Host, with Aššur defending them, and Gregoire trying to talk them down. Things escalate, though and before you know it, Aššur and friends are fighting Je'Sha and his radicals and Gregoire says fuck it, I'm going to rule this. Also doesn't help that some of his buddies are fighting the Disciples and the like.
When the Emperor wakes up, Aššur has been chaos'd, Gregoire has gone too far, and Je'Sha is holding the area around Terra and says that he was just trying to uphold order.
Just a few ideas.
Colton Brown
Aye, sounds good, but which Legion does the censuring? We should also consider matchup because the Golden Mountains aren't going to get attacked without fighting back, especially if they thought they were doing the correct thing.
Connor Hughes
It was suggested before that Raj and Linares take on the roles of executioners together. I'm alright with that myself.
Jack Turner
When do you intend to actually collate all this and start putting it onto 1d4chan along with all the other Alt-Heresies?
Jose Sanders
Makes sense, and I agres, though they'll do for now, seeing as everyone knows who we're talking about.
We'll get to it eventually. We're documenting all the important stuff and we're actively archiving our threads.
John Taylor
Problem with that is that they end up on the same side as the Golden Mountains. I think the censured legion should be a different faction from the one doing the censure.
Tyler Phillips
Fair enough. Linares and Raj could enact censure on the Chosen of Hecate? Not sure if that's still gonna be happening.
Logan Roberts
Alternatively, the Smoke Stalkers are the ones sent, given the intent of a 'slap on the wrist' against Pacha, but something goes wrong with the toxins (either too strong and Golden Mountains start dying, or not strong enough and Isehko has to employ lethal attacks), and the battle gets rather messy, with the Golden Mountains being unaccustomed to fight with 0 visibility, even their close-combat formations get at a disadvantage. Add the mist in to cause confusion, particularly on how many Golden Mountains are getting felled, and Isehko has made a butchery by the time he realizes.
Jonathan Robinson
Wait a second, I think I missed something. Last I heard we had decided that, since we have so many psychic primarchs, either the edict was completely different or it was about technology instead of psychery.
Aiden Long
As much as I would love to write a good old fight between brothers. Why would the smoke stalkers be chosen to do it, why not any other legion?
Carson Parker
Smoke Stalkers use nonlethal toxins and take the largest amount of enemies alive. As per Ashur wanted it to be a 'slap on the wrist', thus thinking that having the Golden Mountains taken down nonlethally is the best course of action. Things go wrong with the poison and a real fight erupts.
Adrian Reyes
Interesting. If it's not about psykers, then we can have the edict violation involved in sparking the war be about something else, so long as we have an issue that leads to someone declaring censure without the support of the other two triumvirs.
That could work quite nicely. The accidental nature of it adds a lot in my opinion.
Perhaps Je'Sha is furious and orders a retaliatory censure of the Chosen of Hecate, rebuffing Ashur's attempts to explain that it was an accident. Things escalate from there until Gregoire comes in and says that they've lost their right to be Triumvirs because of their childish behavior. His rhetoric carries a number of primarchs (the separatists), but it causes more problems and makes a two way war into a massive three way succession conflict.
Fair point. Advantage though is that it's a legion that's not got to later be on the same side as the Mountains. I'd also surmise that they're close with Ashur and he feels that he can trust Isekho?
Isaiah Jackson
Sounds like that could work. Let's wait and see how others feel about this.
Samuel Lewis
Hm, or maybe, the Smoke Stalkers don't notice the poison killing the Mountains until it's too late? Isehko approaches Pacha telling him to stand down so this mockery can be ended (given Isehko and the Stalkers' enhanced senses, meaning better taste, the two Legions might've been buddies until then), but Pacha looks at him and roars about how it can be a mockery when a sizeable portion of his marines are dead (Pacha knowing through either comms or his psyker powers making him feel the death throes of his children). Isehko realizes what he's just done and retreats with his legion, while Pacha is left grieving.
Tyler Bennett
Brotherhood of the Abyss stuff (All names provisional) Special Formations:
The Nosferatae: Drawn from experienced marines shown to be able to control the call of the deep, the Nosferatae are cold and analytic killers. Quiet and withdrawn even in their introverted legion, the Nosferatae specialize in stealth and ambush tactics. Depending on the disposition of the Nosferatu, the squad may be equipped with any number of esoteric weapons, ranging from cortex-slaved hunter-killer servitors or thallax, to radiological weaponry, to audae shrikes designed to disorient an enemy, to electro-magnetic sniper rifles. Whatever weapon the squad chooses, the Nosferatae may stalk their intended target for days before finding the perfect moment to deal the death blow.
Tide Breakers: Night Breakers? Heavy assault troops armed with massive thunder hammers and specially trained in the ways of fighting the biggest xenos monstrosities and war engines.
Revenant Terminators The legion's elite terminators, armed with rad missile launchers and the like. There's probably some cool other stuff they could be using, but the idea is that Gyahdred has really tinkered with them and come up with something really nasty. They're sort of like his Gorgons.
The Techmarine Brotherhoods They have some initiation into various arcana and so bring additional goodies from the forge. Legion inducted cybernetica are more common, for example. Atm, I can think of: Reductor-- Like mini-siege breakers and bring field artillery Cybernetica--Bring the robot hawtness Macrotek-- Specialize in improving fortifications Biologos-- Work closely with and are merged with the Apothecarion. They recover xenos samples for study, design toxins, etc, help make specialist ammo and chem-shells
The Decurion is still going to be a factor, strategic advisors drawn from all ranks, experts in their field
Ethan Rivera
I like it, but how do we explain the mix up?
Other stuff:
I'm thinking Gyahdred is something of a ghoulish figure, akin to a teched up Moritarion. Probably a huge Thunderhammer, since the scythe is taken. Alternatively talons like on Cataphractii armor with drills, like Tyberos.
He's got servo arms, kind of like a many armed deity.
Legion Axuliae are mostly raised in the style of Skitarii forces, with the vast majority undergoing similar augmentation. The magi of Stovokor campaign alongside the legion, but beyond that many worlds that tithe to the legion also are raised as Skitarii regiments as opposed to any other form. Cybernetica cohorts are also closely deployed.
Cooper Martinez
I have three snap-fit chaos marines that I just primed, and I'm going to paint them up to be Forge Lords. Does anyone know a good way to paint bronze?
Andrew Sullivan
For any who didn't see I wrote up Lambach's reason for being censured but couldn't get it to paste properly yesterday.
Angered by his father's decision (this can be changed based on what we decide for Nikeea) Lambach halted his wing of the crusade and bought all tendrils of his legion back to Milentus. Ridding the Chosen of Hecate of their psykic presence would be no small task considering how deeply ingrained they were in the Legion's dynamics. Lambach still could not understand his father's choices. He had always believed his father saw the future laid out the same way that he, himself did. That the gifted would pave the way for peaceful times to come after the great crusade. That psykics were the next logical, evolutionary step for mankind. Lambach thought long and hard about how he would break the news of Nikeea to his sons. He loved them dearly and railed against seeing them go to waste. As the last of his legion returned to Miletus Lambach made his decision. He gathered every gifted son of the Chosen and formed them into a single chapter. Known as the Speartip of Hecate. The Speartip would be the first deployed on any new world, they would not be stopped from using their powers but eventually their numbers would grind down and they would be remembered as heros of the legion. Gaius Mendel was given the title of Grand Warpclaw of this newly formed chapter and while many of the Librarians raged against this reform Gaius knew that the hands of his master were tied, this option would at least let the gifted sons of the Chosen end their service in glory rather than living the rest of their lives as blind and deaf men.
Juan Bailey
Lambach thrust the Speartip deep and the Chosen of Hecate pushed deeper into the fringes of known space than ever before, ignoring any hails from his brothers, even those he closest to him like Linares and Raj. World after world fell to the mighty push of the Chosen, world after world claimed more and more of the brothers of the Speartip. Each loss stabbed at Lambach, slowly stripping away his once cheerful and pleasant demeanor and replacing it with sadness and spite. How could the Emperor have done this to his loyal sons. Lambach thirsted for the truth behind the question. Night after tireless night he spent researching documents from ancient history trying desperately to see his father's point of view, and a reason for why he was forced to sacrifice his favored sons to the delusions of some of his more narrow minded brothers. It was during this time Lambach learned that perhaps not all of the gods from ancient times were fanciful stories... Eventually the Speartip was worn down to little more than a few dozen Librarians, Gaius still leading. The Grand Warpclaw had changed drastically from the man he once was. His armour was dented and scratched deeply, his hair was unkempt and his face was gaunt. But it was the look in the eyes of one of his favorite son that haunted Lambach.
Anthony Jenkins
It was on some dank rock of a planet, the name of which is lost to time that Radcliff Kaden fell. The occupants of the planet unleashed creatures upon the chosen. Creatures born of warp energy, that normal boltguns had little effect on. The few Remaining members of the Speartip were able to devastate these creatures, but they had become too few to contend properly. Lambach knew that at full strength his sons could have easily crushed this fortress but with his gifted sons so diminished he was sure to lose to many of his men. The Chosen of Hecate were forced to withdraw. However Kaden, his command squad and a pair of Venerable Dreadnaughts had become separated from the main body of the legion and while they fought valiantly they were eventually overrun, hacked down one by one. The last man standing, Kaden faced down a true monster dragged forth from the depths of the warp, his shield arm already shattered and useless. Radcliff Kaden, one of the greatest warriors in the history of the chapter was felled in a monstrously one sided duel. The bodies of Kaden and his men were sent back to the Chosens base camp...
Nolan Reyes
Just plate them in real bronze. It also adds weight to them.
Wyatt Harris
They had been hollowed out all of their advanced organs and precious Geneseed had been removed the bodies filled with live insects, rats and all manner of vermin. This was the last straw. Lambach, distraught of the loss of his closest invoked a spell he had learned during his studies of the ancient texts. A spell from the forbidden lore of the Goddess Hecate herself a spell of rebirth. This was a spell that made use of vile magics, locked away in older times for very good reason. the bodies of Kaden and his men did indeed rise again and initially Lambach rejoiced, this was short lived. Kaden and his men were mindless, husks of themselves that immediately attacked their former brothers clawing their armour and trying to bite their flesh. Lambach realized that with a brush of his will he could control the awful creations he'd made and could calm them and direct their actions. This was not the only repercussions of the spell that Lambach had wrought, it sent a shriek through the warp, and many ancient beings turned their attentions towards the master of undeath... However The Emperor of Mankind also took note, and realised that his son had made a horrible transgression, with a heavy heart he sent a summons to Linares of the Silver Blades and Raj Vokar of the Titan Marchers, Lambachs two closest brothers and friends. They were to track down Lambach Kropor, disable his Legion and bring him back to the palace of Terra.
I'm working on the bit where Raj and Linares come get him now, but I don't think I'll finish before work today, sorry might have to wait until tomorrow as I work night shift and am in Western Australia.
Joshua Thompson
That sounds like something Mot would do, but I'm afraid I don't have that kind of conviction.
Joseph Wood
>discussing who to sicc onto who in a censure situation >literally everyone ignores the Legion whose entire job is doing the shit no one else wants to do and loving it >mfw we're just that one edgy Legion people mention occasionally as doing some bad thing
jokes aside, seriously, if someone's gunna do some censuring, why not the VI?
Well I used Linares because he and Lambach were close where close when Lambach was first found, and Raj asked if I could add him because he wants to gain some common ground with some of the loyalist brothers. I can use Einchurt if The Silverish guy decides he'd prefer to pull out of my story arc?
