Tyranids vs Chaos

For being the 2 biggest threats to the setting, we don't really get a lot of head to head matchups between chaos and tyranids. Anyone have good lore on these battle happening?

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Dont the nids negate Chaos demons from spawning via shadow in the warp?

No, they don't. They make it harder but when Chaos wants to manifest, they will manifest and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

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>The stolen planet was not the only legacy of Rakarth’s grand ambition. The rending of the veil had left a gaping wound in reality, and a large spar of the webway had been opened to the realm of terrors that mankind calls the Warp. Saim-Hann was reeling in the face of a large-scale daemonic invasion that was spilling through the rift, and the tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan, denied the power of its planetary feast, was being slowly torn apart by the hellspawned host that appeared within its bio-ships.

-Haemonculus Coven Codex

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>AGAINST THE SWARM

>Led by packs of snarling Warp Talons, the Harvest audaciously tore their way through the Immaterium and straight into the seething innards of a Tyranid hive ship.

>Spilling into the guts of the mega-beast, the Harvest set about slaughtering the writhing creature from the inside out. Though it sent showers of acid and swarms of weapon beasts against them, the hive ship could not purge its tormentors. Carving a path through the fleshy walls and pulsing viscera that confronted them, the Harvest slew the enormous beast in the name of Khorne, before digging in to resist the inevitable counter-attack. Sure enough, Tyranid bio-craft soon latched onto the hide of their shoal-mate, spewing swarm after swarm of horrors into its carcass. Yet the Harvest counter-charged time and again, the body count rising until Daemons tore through the veil to lend their blades to the battle. Finally, the last Tyranid beasts fell, bodies riddled with bolts and brutally sawn apart. Ichor stained and victorious, the last of the Harvest howled Khorne’s praises into the void.

-Daemonkin codex

Tyranids are one of the two biggest threats in the same way the flea on the elephant is one of the two biggest animals in the room.
Chaos can do this to the galaxy, Nids ain't shit.

Anyone have the fluff for that time the Iron warriors impenetrable fortress world hot BTFO by leviathan In less than a week? I believe it's called forgefane

The RIP OF TERROR

Chaos has won a couple of skirmishes against Tyranids, but in the one big war they fought (shadowbrink) the 'nids tap-dances on Chaos' face.

Four greater daemons, one from each God, teamed up and combined their daemon armies to fight the Hive Fleet and still lost.

It's probably the most fun story in the Tyranid codex. The Lord of Change runs the fuck away into the warp the moment things turn south, while the other three get systematically clobbered. The Bloodthirster is described as wrestling with a trygon whilst being dragged back into the warp.

It would be a battle of utterly banal boring villain Sues. Didn't the nids army eclipse the size of the galaxy itself or something?

Honestly both factions are dull as tar because they have no limitations. Just as dull if it were undefeatable good guys, undefeatable bad guys are also stupid.

Both Factions play calvinball in how unbeatable they are. Tyrannids Yell "WE EVOLVE" as written by people who don't understand what evolution is and Chaos just yells "LOL CHAOS" because they are the ultimate shitty writing crutch tool.

I imagine Tyranids are the slow moving juggernaut of the galaxy in the same way that the Imperium is the slow moving juggernaut of the galaxy.
The Imperium has a doomsday clock, and its Chaos; but the galaxy has a doomsday clock, and its Tyranids

It's the opposite really.
Ultimately all the Tyranids would ever do is eat some slime off of some planets.
Chaos is the only force that can legitimately threat all matter, space and time.

The more Nids there are, the more they are likely to win. A splinter fleet would likely lose to infinite Chaos reinforcements, but a Hive Fleet is invincible to Chaos.

Don't tyranids block the warp or is that not canon anymore? Maybe they are anathema to Chaos, and it's the true self defeating circle Ouroboros. Tyranids scouring, life growing, Chaos festering, Tyranids scouring

>Chaos has won a couple of skirmishes against Tyranids, but in the one big war they fought (shadowbrink) the 'nids tap-dances on Chaos' face.

You bitch, Shadowbrink was just a swarm on unknown size. Here we see an entire tendril of many many Tyranid ships getting torn apart by a daemonic invasion. This is way more big than a war over a single world since a tendril of a major fleet is a sector wide threat.

>Don't tyranids block the warp or is that not canon anymore?

Tyranids have never blocked the warp.
They just fill it with their autistic screeching so if any psyker tries to tap into it he has to listen to all of that.

>but a Hive Fleet is invincible to Chaos.

False as shown by a fact that a tendril of Leviathan was devastated by daemonic invasion.

Tyranids do not block the Warp. They only make it harder to draw upon because the Hivemind fills the local warp space. The Warp is still there and those powerful enough can harness it.

Areas where the walls of reality has been torn asunder are not affected by the Shadow in the Warp.

>Inb4 people argue about largely contradictory fluff for 400 posts
Who dares summon Carnac to troll newbies in this thread?

Random thought though wasnt Abadabadoo supposed to head to Terra with his Dark Path or whatever. Seems like he missed.

Necron pylons tend to negate chaos

>"Their orders from Segmentum Command were clear, and there could be little doubt that Shadowbrink faced the onrushing fury of a SIZABLE TENDRIL of Hive Fleet Leviathan."

Eat shit, retard. Why even offer an opinion on something you know dick about?

>contradictory

There is nothing contradictory. You just suck at the lore to the point that you see contradictions which are in fact just holes in your lore knowledge.

>Random thought

More like a dumb thought.

Read up on the Crimson Path. The Eye of Terror and by extension the manifesting warpstorms will expand wherever bloodshed and carnage happened or is happening. Since great wars and warp events have been fought/happened before and during the 13th Black Crusade (Warth of Magnus, Kauyon/Mont'ka, Armageddon, partial birth of Ynnead, etc). The Great Rift manifested and grew towards them.

However, this is not a failure of Abaddon since it's just a minor result of breaking the Cadian Pylons. Abaddon's plan is to unshackle the Eye of Terror have it follow in the wake of his crusade as he fights his way to Terra and indeed he is in the process of doing so.

A few ships landed. Tendrils would attack a whole system/sector. Not waste hundreds of ships on a single planet when a single hiveship has enough manpower to overrun a world by its own. You eat shit.

>and the tendril of Hive Fleet Leviathan, denied the power of its planetary feast, was being slowly torn apart by the hellspawned host that appeared within its bio-ships.

So a chaos daemon invasion managed to tear apart a weakened tyranid fleet that had just expended its strength in taking a world but got no return on that investment. Not very impressive. Shadowbrink is still the best showing of what happens when a fully strength tyranid army goes up against a full strength daemon army.

Okay?
Necron Pylons strengthen the walls of reality and delete all warp energy in the area.

The Shadow in the Warp doesn't do that.

>Anyone have good lore on these battle happening?

No, because two "evil" factions squaring off against each other isn't GRIM and DARK enough. It ALWAYS has to be an evil faction versus a "good guy" faction for there to be any interest in the fanwank fluff lore.

>power of its planetary feast

It says nothing about it being weakened. It just couldn't harvest the world. Being denied a single world wouldn't affect a Hive Fleet of hundreds of ships filled with billions of Tyranids.

>nothing you can do to stop it

You can, you just have to be the best race in the galaxy :^)

>Both Factions play calvinball in how unbeatable they are.

That is the most magnificent statement I've ever seen written about the nature of Tyranid and Chaos lore.

There are few pylons in the galaxy left and the being who belt them has long fallen to millions of pieces.

There are lesser devices like the Null matrices but they require an large amount of energy and they tend to be very fragile.

built them*

God, why not at least read the story before you try to pretend you aren't a retard?

THE SYSTEM WAS EMPTY. That particular tendril was starving due to Kryptman's gambit- all other nearby planets had been exterminatused so that the hive fleet couldn't grow bigger.

Furthermore, are you too stupid to understand that trying to paint the Tyranid force on Shadowbrink as small only hurts your pint even more? The daemonic army was the combined might of four greater daemons that had "millions" of daemons under their command. If the the hive fleet attacking Shadowbrink was small, that just makes Chaos' defeat even more embarrassing. Please think before posting.

>the combined might of four greater daemons
As if that's some gigantic threat. Greater Daemons get BTFO by single marines all the time.

And single greater daemons lead Armies that end up conquering entire systems just as often as Single Space marine characters described as lords of war manage to beat them 1v 1. The fluff has always been all over the place.

But the 4 greater daemons in the story are mentioned to have conquered many imperial worlds before, they weren't chumps.

>Areas where the walls of reality has been torn asunder are not affected by the Shadow in the Warp.

Wrong, retard.

"The Hive Mind threw every war beast it had against the Warpspawn. This new enemy could reshape the rules of reality and were as deadly at close quarters as the Tyranids themselves... For hour after hour, waves of fresh Termagants spilled from the bloated bodies of their brood-mothers, hunkering down amid the churned muck of Shadowbrink’s plains to rain volley after volley of fleshborer beetles upon the faltering Daemons. Shub’Luth’Gug, Great Unlean One of Nurgle, attempted to break the deadlock and push through the Tyranid cordon. Yet even as the ponderous mountain of filth marshalled his psychic energies, they were smothered by the Shadow in the Warp. Moments later, the huge Daemon was blown apart in a catastrophic deluge of foul viscera. With one of their number fallen, the remaining lords of the Abominatum realised the nature of the battle had changed. The Hive Mind was leeching their energies, severing the Daemons from the sustaining powers of the Empyrean. No real blood flowed for Khorne, just worthless alien ichor. As each rancid disease was unleashed by the children of Nurgle, so the next brood of Tyranids had grown resistant to it. Without the fear or devotion of true mortals to sustain them, the Daemons were foundering fast."

Even greater daemons can have their psychic powers shut down by the Shadow in the Warp.

>God, why not at least read the story before you try to pretend you aren't a retard?

Shut the fuck up. The Hive Fleet of that size won't waste its time and energies on a single world especially when its starving. It will land forces there and go search for other planets with the rest of the fleet. Case in point, the War in Octarius. What did the tendril do there? It besieged the Orks planets and spread to nearby systems looking for more biomass to fuel the fleet.

>The daemonic army

A single daemon army without much warp fuel got defeated by a much larger host of Tendril. But before the Tyranids adapted and the daemons lost their momentum, it was a one sided curbstomp in favor of the daemons.

Considering that the walls of reality are now broken and Warpstorms are raging all over the place, you won't find daemon armies starved of warp energy anytime soon.

How does that prove me wrong? The Daemon powers were blanketed but it doesn't say anything about effecting areas where the walls of reality broke apart like this and this where daemons overwhelmed those billions of Tyranids.

Learn to read, bugboy.

I really wish they would heavily push this as the real conflict.

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>A single daemon army without much warp fuel got defeated by a much larger host of Tendril.

Are you actually retarded? there was a huge warp rift on the planet that allowed the daemons to spill through in the first place. said warp rift allowed them to reshape an entire hive city into a daemonic fortress and completely cut off the tyranids from getting space reinforcements. The shadow in the warp was the only thing keeping it from going full daemon world, like what usually happens when such a rift opens up.
>But before the Tyranids adapted and the daemons lost their momentum, it was a one sided curbstomp in favor of the daemons.
Thats how Literally every Tyranid Battle goes dude, even Shield of Baal started with the first wave of nids getting rekt by the sisters and the Imperial guard.
The Tyranids got BTFO in the first round, then proceeded to adapt and kick the shit out of the daemons. Badly. Nurgles plagues didn't do shit to them and Tzeentches forces ran away like bitches.

That would be Dark Eldar vs Necrons.

Necrons have two recorded victories over the Dark Eldar.

>Are you actually retarded? there was a huge warp rift on the planet that allowed the daemons to spill through in the first place. said warp rift allowed them to reshape an entire hive city into a daemonic fortress and completely cut off the tyranids from getting space reinforcements. The shadow in the warp was the only thing keeping it from going full daemon world, like what usually happens when such a rift opens up.

A Warpgate that opened temporarily and closed. Not a permanent warp rift like those examples or in daemon worlds.

>The shadow in the warp was the only thing keeping it from going full daemon world, like what usually happens when such a rift opens up.

Nice headcanon, you dweep. It doesn't work like that.

M'kar transformed an entire planet into a daemon world while the Tyranids of a leviathan tendril were in the process of invading it. The Shadow of the Warp does NOZING to tears in reality.

>Thats how Literally every Tyranid Battle goes dude

But with the daemons not being properly fueled couldn't adapt back by drawn more power from the Warp to to a floundering warpgate and no mortals nearby.

But from those two examples above we saw what a effects of permanent warprift and a mortal presence. Total Tyranid wipeout.

>It's a Carnac autistically screeches back at autistically screeching nid players thread
We have one of these every week, it really should be a bannable offense to post these fucking threads.

Tyranidfags trying act relevant after GS trigger me.

>Call out these threads for bringing out the two worst parts of the 40k fanbase, "nids r teh best" fags and "chaoschaoschaos" fags
>"NO UR A NIDFAG"
pls

misread the post, missed the s on the end of tyranidfags

The post wasn't directed at you. It was just stating a fact about nidfags triggering me. Being triggered by nidfags not understanding their npc status is not a bannable offense.

Chaosfags calling anyone npcs should be a bankable offense

It's time to face the truth. No factions have ever been relevant throughout the 40k universe other than Chaos and the Imperium, everything else is just a sideshow.

What about the Tau doe?

Why do Nidfags even bother at this point? Every time they show up they are inevitably put in their place by someone who actually reads the fluff.

>on-topic material I don't like should be banned
Go back to your safe space.

The tyranids have casually consumed hundreds of worlds and show no sign of stopping or even slowing. If that is considered NPC, then Tau aren't even Hrud levels of relevant

Tau are underdog type characters.
Tyranids are merely NPC.

>finally ignoring one autistic chaosfag is considered being put in your place

Whatever dude, go autistically screech about how much you thing nids aren't a threat to the setting, it won't make it any less wrong

Nobody said they aren't a threat, just that they are a lesser threat.

They are waaaaay below Chaos and even below the Necrons in the threat meter.

small reminder that the genestealers reached Terra in less than a millenary while abadon is still muking around after 10000 years

Are you trying to imply that there are no Chaos cults on Terra?

There are Chaos cultists on Terra and Iskandor fucking Khayon travelled to Terra to deliver Abaddon's message.

Reminder that the same Cadian forces that were veterans of the cadian gate warzone got BTFO by the tyranids in less than 3 days despite being in one of the best defended systems in the imperium.

Abandon, in 10k years, couldn't even beat the Cadians in a ground war and had to blow up the planet from space. Tyranids attacking the gate from the same direction as chaos would have got it done in less than a month

It's beyond retarded to compare the Cryptus system with Cadian system which is the most defended point in the Imperium second only to Terra. Check the staff list of all defenders in the Cadian Gate. The Cadians in Cryptus were but a small fraction of the Defenders of Cadia.

>n 10k years

Abaddon only tried once and Cadia was only saved through Trazyn's efforts, not the Cadian's own efforts. If he didn't intervene again and again, the Imperials wold have lost as a soon Abaddon's fleet arrived.

>Tyranids attacking the gate from the same direction as chaos would have got it done in less than a month

Shitty headcanon.

Better then every Imperial defeat being retconned into being not as bad when marine players bitch loudly enough.

wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Forgefane

>fortress rivaled Perturabos own in might
>Iron warriors still BTFO

Truly pathetic showing, that's like a chapter world being destroyed in a week, but even worse

Tau are the NPC race for jobbing to the other NPC races, see their tack record vs Orks for instance.

The Tau lost one notable battle to the Orks (War of Dakka round 1) and then spend the rest of the war curbstomping the Orks.

Farsight crushed the Waaagh! and forced the Ork warboss to flee around until Farsight cornerned him on a planet and then killed him. Farsight now has the Warbosses ashes inside a glass ball in his office.

Do the Tau have a losing record to anyone? They've beaten the imperium pretty much every time they've faced off, pretty sure they curb stomped the orks, and even the tyranids lost to them. Pretty sure they've rekt chaos more than once even though they don't know what they are. Tau plot armor is stronger than even space marine plot armor

Chaos doesn't even need to fight Tyranids to win.

Eventually, one of those technoviruses that the Iron Warriors use to turn Hiveships into biomechanical Giger-ian Titan/Megatank transportation ships will go feral, and there will be entire Hivefleets of biomechanical Chaos Demon Tyranids running around.

Problem with Tau is that if they lose a major conflict they pretty much get BTFO'ed because of how small their Empire is. They can't lose ground unlike Imperium.

That is, their plot armor is still full of bullcrap. "Outadapting `Nids" my ass

They lost to the Dark Eldar... pretty badly.

They get blown out by Necrons and Eldar, pretty sure they only have one notable victory over the eldar and that was an exodite world. Dark eldar fucked them up badly, and continue to raid their worlds. The harlequins also line fucking with the Tau and have BTFO them before

Didn't they just accidentally sell some of their citizens into slavery in a "cultural exchange"? That's hardly losing badly.

>Problem with Tau is that if they lose a major conflict they pretty much get BTFO'ed because of how small their Empire is.
Don't they have like 300 worlds? They can survive losing one or two.

They did. Then the Dark Eldar returned the Tau citizens... as biomechanical cyborg monsters, and slaughtered everyone on the planet with them.

How can Dark Eldar be so based?

Didn't the Tau lose quite badly in some recent fluff, the Adeptus Mechanicus exterminatus'd a fairly important world and Aun'va was killed by the Officio Assassinorum.

Yeah, they've had noticeable losses, it's just that:
1)A couple of their victories are badly-written asspulls that makes them feel like Mary Sues (see the Nids stuff)
2)The Imperials are one group that they do have a solid track record against, and Impfags love to whine (I say this as an Impfag.)

Shadowbrink is probably the only big battle I know of between Chaos and Nids.

He didn't travel to Terra dude. It doesn't say where he is during his interrogation, but I doubt it is Terra. First of all, if it was it WOULD be mentioned, second of all, I really doubt a Chaos Sorcerer, one of Abaddon's Chosen, could reach Terra. Even a sly fucker like Khayon.

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>There are Chaos cultists on Terra
I doubt it.

Probably just various radical Inquisition factions that accuse each other of being Chaos cultists.

Whole 40k is pretty much scissors vs paper, considering who beats who.

There are countless examples of Chaos forces utterly slaughtering Imperial sectors barely suffering any losses, and there are examples of a single company of loyal Astartes defending a world against a seemingly innumerable Chaos invasion in a heroic last stand.

There are examples of Tyranids being stomped hard by demonic legions. There are examples of Tyranids barely noticing said demons hence their lack of biomass.

Hell, there have been many instances when Imperials used bio weapons to counter Tyranid threat, but it says in the story of Shadowbrink that their adaptability makes them immune to NURGLE'S FUCKING PLAGUES. So, Inquisitors and Magos Biologos can create more deadly plagues than the God of Plagues Himself. Yea.

OP's question was a fair one, since instances of Tyranids against Chaos are rarely mentioned in lore and are, in fact interesting. The rest of this thread is like five years old in a sand box arguing who's dad would beat who's.

Actually nids routinely cleanse Ork infestations off their planets and are strengthened by their biomass, chaos just gets ground to a stalemate by the greenskins until their obama bux warp credits run out.

They do, that's why all astropath communications cease years in advance for doomed planets. It's not a choice for weak daemons to use the warp, they flat out can't when the swarm is there, making fighting daemons easy.

>all the systems still have the original inhabitants, they're just living in super spoopy skeleton land and dancing in halloween town

Cool, when the nids actually arrive there won't be any named galaxies left.

100% of chaos has been failing to do any lasting damage to mankind, less than 1% of the nids have been seen and already took out everything the 4 god meme devil host have struggled with for thousands of years.

Not really. Shadow of the Warp can only function where there are Tyranids.

This automatically means that when Tyranids get close to a rip in reality, the Shadow of the Warp fades away, because either all Tyranids are now dead, or demon-possessed.

Got BTFO by
Daemons need humans to live. Nids devour every planet in a wide swathe, Daemons falter because of the Shadow in the Warp devouring them during the sustained conflict. Nids win everytime.

That was such an amazing rebuttle user, you've definetly convinced me by insulting your opponent and not making any points. Nids players are such detached trogs.

They just get really butthurt over the fact their faction wont win and isnt important, Im not sure on the specifics but its a certain type of person. The kind of guy who likes to talk about how much of a badass the main character of his favorite cartoon is.

This post deserves more replies but wont get them because no one wants to fact that this is the reality of the setting and all the fluff is just bullshit to make you buy models.

>chaos just gets ground to a stalemate by the greenskins until their obama bux warp credits run out.

What's with the stupid headcanon.

Dumbass. Hundreds of thousands of worlds have been lost Chaos in a period of days. This dwarfs whatever the Tyranids did in the galaxy for hundreds of years. Tyranids are literally the worse bad guy faction in terms of power display.

BTFO by nothing you piece of shit.

See . Daemons don't necessarily need mortals. A stable Warp rift would enough to power a daemon legion to rip apart a whole tendril of tyranids.

Does the thought of Nids not being an important faction hurt?
Your butt?

So we know Tyranid fleets grow stronger if they survive against a particular enemy.

What would a Tyranid hive fleet super optimized fighting against Chaos look like?

Nah, it becomes more difficult but if reality is damaged enough then the demons will still break through

>Tau are the NPC race for jobbing

I like how /asp/ terminology eeked its way here. Just like how /pol/ and /tv/'s shit has spread everywhere

Praise you user for asking a real lore question instead of adding to the "my dudes are better than your dudes you faggot" shitstorm that is happening here.

As it has been said a couple of times in this thread, lore contradicts itself. But one could assume such a fleet could know demons need rends in reality to manifest, so they could instinctively concentrate on fast elimnation of psykers, or have their synapse creatures and Zonatropes produce some sort of anti-psychic field around them. Also it would probably concentrate on long range combat and hordes of gaunts, to bog down demonic hordes while they are being destroyed from afar.

Thing is, demons are hardly predictible, fighting them usually includes random shenanigans aside from simply combating demonic legions. They turn ground into blood, appear out of nowhere, possess the living creatures, so on so forth.

Chaos, as the name suggests, is hard to adapt to.

Lots of Zoans and mental bugs to max the presence of the Sitw.

Zoans are an easy one but with the high amount of teleportation/summonings and the close combat nature I like to think the nid horde suddenly becomes a fluid shooty army. Maybe they evolve a Zoan with combat prowess to prevent a deamon lord swooping down to kill it in one blow.

They would concentrate genestealers and warriors and use them to specifically counter attack overextended chaos marines/champions/deamons. The cults would be cut down by long range fire.

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Thanks fr putting my thoughts into words that can finally be articulated.

>"Lmao, the whole point of 40k is that it's SUPPOSED to not make sense lmao xD"
>Nigga, have you never heard the phrase "ironic shitposting is still shitposting"?
>It's like writers just fuck up on the lore all the Goddamn time, and when people call them out on their shitty writing, they just fall back on the old "Lmao, stop taking it so seriously! Haha! It's just a game! Lmao! Just turn off your brain! Haha!"
>Fuck you, GW. Stop being autistic and actually hire people who know what they're doing for once-- no more nepotism jew-ery for you.

On paper it doesn't sound so bad, but in practice, losing an planet can literally halt any further advancement in their sector of the Galaxy for several decades, or maybe even a century.

Specifically, I'm referring to the loss of a farming planet. Losing a "breadbasket" planet in an empire of 300 would be absolutely devastating. The ring of planets that'd depend on the food from that one farming planet would slowly rot and die, or at the very least, progress would halt in order to shift to a more sustainable method of localized farming, which would weaken that sector of the empire entirely, which would then weaken the next outer ring of planets, which would then weaken the next outer ring f planets, and so on and so forth, creating a sort of domino effect.

Whatever you do in war, don't let your enemy bomb your breadbaskets. Historically speaking, it never really goes well for you.

>The ring of planets that'd depend on the food from that one farming planet would slowly rot and die, or at the very least
Would serve those gibsmedats right. Our planet can sustain itself just fine why can't they?

>Even in fiction, communism doesn't work

HOW CAN KREMLINS EVER COMPETE?