/hhg/: The Horus Heresy Generaling

Here's to hoping that Custodes will be WS2+ BS2+ like the heroes they are.

I'm inclined to agree, but what of Hesperax and the Phoenix Lords and other 1337 characters?

It could be tricky to balance it all out, though I'm eager for Lelith's and Jain Zar's profiles to be released - spess elf eyecandy that rip most things apart with ease and are each other's match.

Yeah, those bolt pistols and a single melta-bomb are really gonna do a number on a tank.

Proper HH-era magnus mini out finally.

He's a big guy

>Magnus has artificer rubble
Kek
>Mortarion left his mask at home. Bread school is out until better facilities are available.
Unkek.
Thanks for the summary, user
Brother! I want a cozy fortress. Ring upon ring of crenellated ramparts, AA guns, fake walls, razor fields, tank traps that are not gay, and phosphex moats.
And at the very center, a log cabin with a bed, a blanket and a fireplace.
That's a proppa Iron Warrior forest cabin.

>Mortarion left his mask at home
Was it extremely painful?

is it just me or does that Custodian look Christmas-themed?

IVth U

The new primadonna captain also has 2+/2+, so it's clearly not limited to particularly fighty characters.

>This thread will probably be the one that covers the FW weekender, when we find out about HH's transition to 8th
As if.
Probably next semester, if we're lucky.
Epic minis are cute.

Did you just sass one of the Emperor's Companions?

You say it like it's a bad thing

Personally I rather like fortifying, but I've literally never seen anyone use a Fortification in a game. No idea why, they seem cool and you can convert to your heart's content. Any of them any good? I feel like giving the pet fleshbags something to hide behind/under/inside would improve morale and also be fun.

>Gravis is +1T instead of regular artificer
Gotta keep it cool, he's moving at only 5" a turn after all, it's pretty much giant MkIII. Though it cleverly protects him from power fists wounding him on a 2+
>Mastercrafter means double wounds and he's got more wounds than Angron
>:U

Obviously the Primarchs will be boosted to hell and back.

My gods... I don't mind story progression but the new 40k fluff is awfully juvenile, in keeping with The Gathering Storm. >Blood Angels and successors getting whittled down by the Tyranids
>Baal's moons fall, last stand on Baal Prime
>Great rift occurs
>It doesn't cut them off from the rest of the galaxy - instead, it spits out Guilliman's fleet
>Guilliman's crusade saves the defenders on Baal Prime
>Ka'Bhanda came out of the rift too (without anyone noticing) and cleansed one of Baal's moons of Tyranids

I'll definitely be staying away from 40k and staying in our little world of slightly more mature writing. Pity, because I was an Eldar player back during 2nd & 3rd editions. Never thought I'd really be into marines but hey, good writing can do that.

Yeah, they're good. Void shield generators are great for heavy support squads. If you're a traitor, Sacrificial Offering is great and requires one (just pick a fluffy one, it doesn't really matter which).

Yey, Void Shields look fun, especially if modelled with one of those plasma globes as the generator. Could even have some sliding contacts so it starts with threeish arcs, then two, then one, then a random pattern as the shields drop.

Srry to post the image here, user, but I couldn't believe it was this tier of shit until I read it. Lewdfiction is better than this shit.
I want FW to hunt the snake that is 8E, remove the poison and put the usable parts of that accursed system to 30k.
It is the Shitatrix maledictum that separates our setting from nu40k.
Children of the Angel, you must be ever vigilant.

keep 40k shitposting to 40k shitposting containment pls

Yknow what's cool? Blackshields. They're cool. What else is cool? Creativity. I'd like to see some people's ideas. Be it fluff for your army, Wrought by War options you'd like to see, or unique wargear and units, post it here!

the more outlandish blackshields being in any way prevalent in 30k are the equivalent of having a historic game about william of normandy conquering england and suddenly aztec conquistadors invade ireland, they should just be a way to bring a generic legion list with generic LA-less bonuses

It's difficult to find a place for them, isn't it? I mean, you can take most legions and play them on either side. People already do that, often under alternative color schemes but still using the legion rules. What do you gain by using the Blackshield rules and fluff?

Is it just me or is the painting style in FW a lot different than the Eavy Metal stuff on the GW?

>unironically comparing HH to a historic wargame

>the more outlandish blackshields being in any way prevalent in 30k are the equivalent of having a historic game about william of normandy conquering england and suddenly aztec conquistadors invade ireland,
CHILD PLEASE
Whoever told you 30k was historical reenactment only was lying to you. It's a game. The book even tells you you can play traitor Ferrus vs loyal Curze.

>the more outlandish blackshields being in any way prevalent in 30k are the equivalent of having a historic game about william of normandy conquering england and suddenly aztec conquistadors invade ireland,
CHILD PLEASE
Whoever told you 30k was historical reenactment only was lying to you. It's a game. The book even tells you you can play traitor Ferrus vs loyal Curze.>the more outlandish blackshields being in any way prevalent in 30k are the equivalent of having a historic game about william of normandy conquering england and suddenly aztec conquistadors invade ireland,
CHILD PLEASE
Whoever told you 30k was historical reenactment only was lying to you. It's a game. The book even tells you you can play traitor Ferrus vs loyal Curze..

FW has many of the same people painting their display stuff iirc, but like to make use of their specialist paints. They also tend to go for a grittier and slightly more "realistic" style, rather than bright edge highlights. Kinda similar to the older Eavy Metal stuff in a way.

>traitor Ferrus vs loyal Curze

>the more outlandish blackshields being in any way prevalent in 30k are the equivalent of having a historic game about william of normandy conquering england and suddenly aztec conquistadors invade ireland
>implying that isn't more rad than DG running The Reaping with Ordo Reductor allies

FW used to use more military modeling techniques, but their recent showcase models have been a lot more... not sure what to call the style, but it's a lot more high-contrast, with simulated highlights and shadows like you see from the more "artsy" commission painters.

I like how the Iron Warriors are the go-to loyalists for FW :^)

its not the historical aspect, its the 'these are living thunderwarriors that were so badass they escaped the emperors purges and dont afraid of anything' made of badly-painted BoP wearing whose paint job is nurgle pissed on them, which to me is a bit like muh native americans was conquerors n shieet who couldve been great idiocy

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>'these are living thunderwarriors that were so badass they escaped the emperors purges and dont afraid of anything'
that's just shit fluff imo, nothing really to do with the idea of blackshields. if your warlord is a thunder warrior using chimerae rules or like pic related then I can deal with that, but a whole army of snowflakes can die in a hole.

>Traitor Raven Guard

thats all i ever see for blackshields, its either marysue surviving thunderwarriors (thunderwarriors in mk3 with awful paint /hhg/ guy gets an honourable mention) or lost legions 'but in addition to my blackshield bonuses i also get a homebrew LA that gives me +1 to hit with volkite and also get totally-not-terror-squads-as-compulsory-troops as a legion unique because im totally a proper legion'. Basically, blackshields invite mary sues

That'd be Corax' raptor monstrosities. Not my first pick for "snowflakes".

I just like to use them to run remnants of multiple legions bonded together by a mutual desire to kick traitor ass, take names and be space pirates. Unique good CC troops and Wrought by War are just a plus.

OC Lost Legions invite Mary Sues.

it be nice if people like you were more common than 'how does i justify +1s/t?'. Why do you prefer blackshields to Shattered Legions, which i think is a brety gud way of doing multi-legion forces

What are you guys spoilering for?

im drunk and was posting an unpopular opinion about how i dont like [thing]

How would (You) justify +1S/+1T chymeriae? No Thunder Warriors or Raptors, another thing.
Primaris marines wearing Graviton armour?

eh, I just like mixed forces and it doesn't have the glaring "nothing is denial" downside of SL. and let's be honest Shattered Legions only really works for two or three legions, any more and if your warlord dies you are fucked. they don't exactly seem like the "recruiting all comers" type I like to use, eh?

extreme rates of cybernetic augmentation, somewhat warp-touched marines or just veteran astartes who will come down on you like a ton of bricks, but have a knack for taking things slow and steady.

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>+1S/+1T chymeriae?
Indigenous forces of a non-compliant empire (non-terran techno-barbarians), fabulous bill's early experimental victims/prisoners of war, Iron Hands Cyberzombies, some mad magos's servitor army, non-WB possessed marines

What single-sentence warning to the Emperor could change the entire history?

Kill Primarchs on sight
Alternatively
Make Sanguinius Warmaster

"Hey, maybe treat your sons more like human beings?"

But they aren't human

Put down Erebus.

I want to be attached to her
regiment
;^)

"Without proper guidance about the Warp, the Primarchs will destroy the Imperium"

You can't base the Imperium on science and reason while simultaneously refusing to discuss this incredibly dangerous and important subject with the men charged with protecting and expanding your empire. Hell, if Lorgar and the Word Bearers had been informed about the Warp ahead of time while they were still staunch supporters of the Emperor, they probably would've had a blast going to town on worlds for any trace of warp-based religions.

But, as we've known for a long time, for all of the Emperor's intelligence, he has very little in the way of social skills or common sense.

But they deserve treatment as such all the same.

Dog genes lol

You know what would be a cool team up? Iron Warriors, Blood Angels, and Alpha Legion.

Updated list rating? I know it's still very low on points but that's all I can play with now. Hoping to start a narrative and fluff them up while I continue to collect stuff. If anything I want to know if it's a good chassis to build off of.

Imperial fist
1500

Hq
>centurion
bolter, melta bombs, power axe, arty armor

Elites
>veteran tactical squad
+4 dudes, arty armor - rhino, dozer blade, multi-melta

>terminator squad x2
2 power fist, chain fist, teleportation

>contemptor mortis dreadnought
kheres ass cannons

Troops
>tactical squad x2
melta bombs, arty armor - rhino, dozer blade

Heavy support
>vindicators x2
laser destroyer array

Care to explain? I just see the three complementary areas of shooty, close-range stabby, and sneaky generalists. You could do the same with IH, yiffs and RG, or DG, WE and NL

The only combo is IF and IWs

>Bitterbois being good for anything other then dying in a ditch whilst the glorious VII plant a flag on top of the planetary capital building

Interesting proposition
If Terra had been defended by Iron Warriors, Imperial Fists and Alpha Legion, the Emperor wouldn't have died.
>Be Horus
>Sol defended by Fleet IV-VII, which has as much ships by itself as your traitors, because Phall never happened.
>Because both the IWs and the ALs remained loyal, Kyr never had to fight Dynat, and they're both at Terra. Paramar never benefitted the traitor effort. Kyr still curses though.
>Everything that has a roof has a Quad gun on it, anything that isn't a building is either tank traps or razor wire
>Alpharius never defends the Spaceport, reinforcements arrive unhindered
>The reinforcements are Alpharius
>Horus lowers the anti-teleport shields
>"We don't give a fuck, keep trying to get in", exclaim the siege brothers, despite their termies being as teleporty as Horus'.
>An Alpharius dies defending the Gate of Eternity and its overrun. Horus is in
>That wasn't Alpharius
>The inside of the Gate is a thousand lascannons aiming inwards
>That wasn't Terra, it was Venus painted blue, green and gold.

What else could possibly happen?

>Horus lowers his teleport to let the Emperor lead the final assault
>Perty sends a bundle of nukes held together by his legionaries.

If Terra was held by anyone else other than the Fist, Big E would have died.

The Emperor is dead anyway.

Fucking kek
Thing is, if you remove the IWs from the attacking side, the IF defenses are pretty much undefeatable. So, add them to the loyal side and Horus has no chance at all.

>Let us keep our marinelets.
Hopefully not. The marine sculpts are the only reason I went Mechanicum instead. Your choice is weirdly skinny resin lanklets or bizzare slavsquatting plastics. They could use a resculpt.

I never got why the Emperor didn't unironically do this. In MoM he seems too pragmatic to actually desire honorabru combatu.

Because the gods would just snuff out whatever trap you sent, the Emperor himself couldnt stop them from fucking up his troops and scattering everything across the ship.

>a) give it a Gellar shield or something
>b) the Emperor could use his psykery to protect it

What about his Custodians still scattering even though he's the one directing the Astronomicon? Emps doesn't scatter, but apparently his squad does.

Hey anybody got the rules on a basic Custodes squad? I want to use them as a bodyguard for my Primarch but I'm not sure what's the best load out for them

>b) the Emperor could use his psykery to protect it

Didnt stop the gods from scattering everything across the Vengeful Spirit, even if the Emperor himself built, blessed and gave the bomb a kiss good bye the chaos gods would still rub it across Slaanesh's slutty face and poop it back out in whatever corner of hell they wanted.

Go ask the 40k gen-

Just kidding. The link to Inferno's in the top, all the Custodes rules are there. What Primarch? Hetaeron are generally the best, but termies may be nice as a variable shooty/stabby meatshield

Someone asked earlier about the /hhg/ discord link
discord.gg/r7YzV3

Thanks!

It's Horus. I'm building a thematic Luna Wolves army alongside my buddy who's building an apocalyptic Ork army so we can do the Ullanor campaign

Oh, cool. I'd be cautious though, you can easily spend upwards of 600 points on just a handful of Custodes, and as you've already got a Primarchstar going (I assume) you're looking at a potential third of your points contained in a spartan tank.

Just food for thought, a trio of laser destroyers, a Sicarian, and a good ol' contemptor-Mortis backing up whatever reavers/veterans/Terminators you want will make for a solid fluffy list capable of dealing with a lot of stuff

I'm looking to do something with my BaC terminator captain. Is there a nice all around set-up for a Terminator Praetor that I should aim for? I don't mind doing a bit of converting if necessary.

W8 til 8th m8.

It's a good start, but a lot of people question Laser Destroyer Vindicators - they disappoint so often. I'm not sure why; they seem fine on paper. I suppose Laser Destroyer Rapiers are often more efficient.

Fluffwise, Imperial Fists like Terminators a lot and they are very good, at least in the outgoing edition. Consider some. I'd consider giving the veterans some plasma or melta... but you don't have to; we don't know what'll happen to those weapons in 8th ed. Combi-melta vets are very popular right now, but they'll be so much better in 8th ed. that they should cost way too much to equip your whole squad with them.

And maybe you'll want Breachers as troops, if they get cheaper in 8th and/or you run Stone Gauntlet someday. Right now they work better in squads of 10.

>>An Alpharius dies defending the Gate of Eternity and its overrun. Horus is in
>>That wasn't Alpharius
>>The inside of the Gate is a thousand lascannons aiming inwards
>>That wasn't Terra, it was Venus painted blue, green and gold.
Well played.

Alan Bligh is by the Emperor's side.
aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2017/05/27/alan-bligh/

Testing if posting is back.

Alan Bligh kept me in Warhammer. No matter how poorly written other things were, there was always Bligh. No matter how cynical I got, there was Bligh. He kept me in this community. I have not been this devastated in a long time.

Don't fuck this up, other writers. Don't tarnish his memory.

>chaos scum Bligh
>on Emperor's side

daemons tore his soul apart

>Don't fuck this up, other writers.
at this point I have very little faith in the rest of the writing team

So 30k is staying with 7th?

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Have you guys seen the new FW?
>imgur.com/a/aw7om
>imgur.com/p1HWzgX