/anrg/ - Android Netrunner General

The newest Earth's Scion blurb on the FFG page mentions a lot about warroids and how they don't have the "don't kill humans" directive, so HB's will likely be related to that. NBN seems to be going the brainwashing angle, don't know how they'll implement that.

Thematically, the NBN brainwash seems a likely candidate. Good call.

Looking at card effects on NBN this cycle, looks like something about resources to me though. Hopefully not draw power?

So anyone played in a Cache refresh event yet?

Hasn't been gaining any traction here, which I find kinda weird, (but then we've already been going at it with our no Core experiment, I guess, though I would have expected the competitive types to at least give the format a try).

What really surprises me is how little talk there is about it locally. No mindshare capture - which is sad, because I think it's a decent idea.

Though we've always been a weird meta, so I wouldn't expect us to be representative.

No core sounds pretty brutal for any list. Even the mini factions are hard pressed without stuff from there.

But yeah Cache is pretty interesting so far, with far more shapers and few anarchs runner side. The lack of Jackson is rather obvious corp side.

The neutral cards hurt a lot, and there's been a lot of debate about adding them back, but we stick with it for now. Quite like it myself.

>The lack of Jackson is rather obvious corp side.

And I'm of the opinion that it's a good thing, but hey...

The only neutral card that everyone will miss would be sure gamble. Everything else could probably be substituted elsewhere. Not an ideal situation though.

The lack of Jackson does make things a lot more dicey for the corps. Personally trying out Shannon as a reasonable alternative, since she helps protect those GFIs you had to toss in the bin. Hopefully the runner doesn't go Showing Off, but again not many Anarchs showing up yet.

Hedge Fund, PAD Campaigns, Armitage, Access to Globalsec (we love our link).

But yeah, the cool thing is that the game has grown big enough that you can do without the staple go-to all-purpose vanilla options.
But to most I think it's *been* an effort.

HB and Shaper got an extra ID from TD, so their total numbers are still about average, even if they don't get a Martian ID. Harder to say regarding NBN though.

HB and NBN both have 9 IDs. Jinteki 11. Weyland 10.

Anarchs have 9 IDs (with a 10th known on the way), Crims have 11, Shapers 10.

All in all, I'm thinking TD or no TD, if NBN i getting one, HB is getting one. Neither might be though.

Once rotation hits in a few months,
everyone loses 1 (plus 1 more for Anarch and Big W), with the resulting average being 9 across all factions.

Is TD rotational or counts as a deluxe?

It would seem TD is more of a core extension box rather then a deluxe box per se. I doubt it's on the rotation list in any case.

Yeah, looking at what's been seen for NBN so far, we've got them using the runner's stuff against them - some in a more general "this is what NBN does" sense - C(ost) P(er) C(lick) Generator and Net Anlytics isn't very Mars-centric, but MCA informant really is, and Biased Reporting kind of is.
There's also a fair bit of profiting from tags, kind of expected, but in general I'd say they're more using their position as the media more than anything else - other than Reeducation, that I think is them working for the Martian government as much as it is for themselves - though they're probably getting paid handsomely for it

Finally some new artwork from Mr. Zeilinger!

Lets start with something totally awesome and tragically made obsolete a pack after its GNK announcement.

Some random Martian dude.

Whoever thought a simple delivery crew would be key to replacing a whole government.

Time and Money

It's called cyberpunk

Ah, you beat me to it, I just saw them!

He may be "the archivist", but like Whizzard and Donut, he's actually a real person - in this case it's Dan Lovat Clarke

Who the fuck is pic related guy, though, I've not seen him anyware?
Is he in New Angeles? - the title says Coach Walden : Android Netrunner

From WoA, New Angeles's American Football team is the Swordfish, so I guess that's who he is. Where we'll actually see him though...

New Angeles also has a football team (I'm actually surprised it was written that way, instead of "soccer" or even "association football" which is its long form), the Giants, and their Baseball team is the Yellowjackets. They all play at the Blue Sun stadium.

I suspect Matt puts all Android stuff under the same "Netrunner" titling though, as Yuri here is definitely from New Angeles.

He's the boss of Melange, is considered a jumped-up Russian gangster, and is incredibly rich.

He's an asset-for-auction in the New Angeles boardgame yes. No idea who he is supposed to be otherwise, or why he's of interest to the Corps.

>The Great Lady of the House of GlobalSec

>not having Lizzie Mills as the Official Spokeswoman instead.

The One and Only.

Ah, interesting. I know we see a lot of familiar faces in NA, and a lot of reused art (like , for example), as well as some funny captions (I loved Floyd's "crime-solving machine), but I've not got it, so he's new to me

Hail to the Globalsec's chief, she looks pretty damn scary.

You need a friendly face for that. Mills is a lot of things, but despite Public Support, I wouldn't call her friendly

There's also some new non-Zeilinger stuff

Does this look like Enigma getting whacked in the face to you?

A shaper decoder we've only seen a snippet of yet

>Definitely Not Psychic

Also gold

Is this lady (who by her name seems like Akitaro Watanabe's mum) in NA as well?

Is he? I don't remember him at all, maybe his ability passed under my radar the couple times I've played it. What does it do?

I think he gives you creds if the player next to you wins any auction. Or something like that.

>This guys steals creds for you from anyone else who dares win an auction. 'Fun' dude.

Oooh, THATGUY, I made an "alliance" once with the player next to me when he had that one. Basically, he supported me while I got us into a better position. It was tricky bc he was also the player I had to beat, but this alliance allowed me to control his profits.
I won by 1 credit.

His tagline is "He Knows What You Want" - Which isn't creepy at all
Bryan Stinson's, iirc, was "Corporate Tool"

Wow, what an asshole.

The flavour text of Puff Piece (a media action, but with Hiro in the art) amused me greatly - "Be sure to get him from his good side. If he has one" - you tend to forget just how much the corps dislike each other sometimes

HB and Jinteki by all rights utterly hate each other due to direct competition in the same field of Android production.

GlobalSec are direct rivals to Argus, and by extension the rest of Big W in a manner of speaking.

Melange and NBN don't really have any direct rivals though.

Amusingly, despite how they seem in the games, in WoA's description Globalsec seems to actually be the more well-armed corp.

Globalsec also has a big intelligence division and have perhaps the most comprehensive database of personal information outside of NBN's, so they have some rivalry there

For big W, Skorpios has a rivalry with HB's NEXT, and I think both the parent corps have heavy engineering divisions in their portfolios somewhere

I didn't notice the hair before, that's awesome.

...waitaminute

Marilyn bioroid
Brutal cybernetics dude with tan vest jacket
White gloves, cane, dark skin

It's the same crew from Infiltration!
Well, half of them at least, and the others all appear at least once on other cards

I know! I recognized Mr White immediately after the AA was spoiled. "Animal" McEvoy took me a little more time because differences in art". Totally missed that Marilyn though.

Ah I'd forgotten that Mr. White was black until I went back and looked, so I didn't notice it was the Infiltration crew (and the pics I'd seen of the AA before were a bit small), but it's cool to see they're still breaking and entering together.

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Yeah there might be a reason for that, lets have a look at her caption

>Not Known for Subtlety
You don't say

What's your opinion on the Infiltration game? Is it worth it?

>C(ost) P(er) C(lick)

I like that.

I like it, the risk taking - the deeper you go/longer you stay, bigger you could win but less likely you are to - aspect is fun.

I think there's something off with its balance though.

Overall, not a bad game at all, good for relatively short bust play, but the competition is fierce, and I'd be lying if I said it was a very common go to game when trying to fit something in its allotted time/people frame.

Hadn't accounted for rotation, but then the Big W will ne the one lagging behind with only 8 IDs, in spite of TD. With Jinteki still at 10.

It's an actual thing.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pay-per-click

The flavour text is also pretty decent
>"The customer pays to use our service, and then the advertisers pay us to put ads on their screens, and then the customers pay us a premium to remove the ads. Welcome to the dream."

Yeah, big W didn't get one in San San or in Mumbad, where Jinteki got 3 (though 1 is Chronos)

>It's an actual thing.

I know, but i just fits SO well here.

Huh. Didn't know that rogue fembot was a Marilyn model in particular.

Nice to see the last few guys from Infiltration finally appear at least.

McAvoy has been around (he's on a card on the MWL even), though he's easily the least consistently drawn character

But yeah, she's specifically a Marilyn, which I think says some interesting things about that model.

Meet the crew, including early Gabe

Yeah, no kidding, I actually think McEvoy is also pictured in Temujin art.

Yeah, pretty sure he is. And Infiltration, naturally.

Woot! Persephone galore this week end.

"Cry 'Havoc!', and let slip the dogs of war"

I have high hopes this produces fun games.

Frankly, i'm surprised the rest of the Infiltration crew hasn't appeared as their own unique cards yet. Hopeful they would actually be useful if that day does come though.

Marilyn and McAvoy I can kind of understand - the bioroid isn't entirely free from her programming the way Adam is, and McAvoy is little more than a thug

Mr White I might have expected to see though, seeing as he's a broker of information and data, and pretty competent, with enough contacts to both get the job, and to put the team together

Marilyn sounds like she is free from most of the inconvenient Directives, and there are in-game connections that are actual gangers/loansharks/black marketeers.

There is an existing criminal mastermind in the form of Mr Li as well fwiw.

The times I rezzed lab dog, I liked it. It might just ate a clone chip or some MU, but with fewer options for hardware recursion the impact was real.

Yeah, Mr Li is the head of the Tri-Maf, he's a pretty big deal - Mr White seems more of a middle man, and I think he's probably a bit more independent.
Maybe.

Mr White could easily be similar in class to Iain Sterling (strange lack of inf aside), who can probably hire up his own crew to do some fancy heists.

Poor Mr Sterling (and Kit) could really do with extra influence, considering his ability is pretty similar to Gabe and Los for the most part.

Or at least 12. His ability is different in the sense that it engenders passivity, unlike Los and Gabe who have to make runs for it to happen.

I actually like what some of Stirling's ability fosters. With a Keyhole deck it touched a rare intersection of Anarchs and Crims, where you'd throw things in Archives with intent to steal them as late as possible. Also loved the Archive Interface version, aiming at getting rid of all agendas rather than steal them - it's fun to play.

In a way that's probably why I think the ten inf is too low - even disregarding the crim color pie issues. Like early Reina decks that depended on Crim tech to work, Stirling, at least the way I like to play him, is really dependent on external tech to do its thing (if only Film Critic, though however rational, I can't say that's my favorite choice).

The closer I see is data dealer. Selling agendas to stay under is good fun, but leads to longer games and may even deny the points you need.

I definitely think 10 is a bit harsh - Kit and Stirling both have very powerful IDs, but not THAT powerful. Critic is far better than Data Dealer, because you can have 3 and just hold agendas. That idea with with archives/Keyhole is interesting though.

Amusingly, the art of Data Dealer was also the art for "Informant", which if you use the "specialist" rules which gives each character a pair of starting cards, and "Informant" is one of Mr White's

Problem with Iain Keyhole is the same as problem with HQ targetting in Criminal. Corp recursion makes it trivial to avoid that win condition.
Plus, Keyhole is 3 influence and there is no tutor in-faction for Crims.

>Corp recursion

By which you mean Howard, really.

I think Kit's ID ability can be extremely strong. More so than Stirling's now that you have proper tool to extend its impact over the game.

There's also the semi-passive Gang Sign builds, but then others - if only Leela - can capitalize better on them.

Now that HQ interface is rotating, Gang Sign is losing edge.

Again with the Jackson recursion meme. In any case that new resource (Rosetta?) that lets you RFG a program and tutor another one should prove valuable for any out of faction program tutoring shenanigans in Crim now.

>Again with the Jackson recursion meme.

Not sure I understand where you're going with that one. Is the implication that JH isn't a problem?

I've used it with Neutralize All Threats. Obviously less threatening, but still pretty decent I think. Especially if you build around (I'm liking the idea of SYNC in that build, will have to see next I try it).

It's because JH gets mentioned as "completely turning off RnD mill win condition" so often, despite only returning 9 cards. Just like how "dies to Yog/Mimic" is a meme.

It's not just the number of cards (though if we go with a common 10 agendas spread deck, that means one single Jackson can roughly negate a 15 card mill on average - that's not small, quite the contrary) It's the number associated with the fact that it can be played at paid ability window.

In itself it kills access window plans something fierce.

Another way to put it: in that common set up, one JH allows you to mostly casually dismiss the agenda flood issue for one third of your agendas.

I keep trying to compare Assassin with Holmegaard

Didn't play it myself - didn't fit my decks - but having faced it, from a design standpoint, I really dig Holmegaard. Pretty nice central piece. As with a few other cards released these past few months, I think the worst I have to say about it is that it's honest in a card pool where honest can all too often be snubbed - unless I'm mistaken best you can break it totally is 5 credits.

Whether you prefer the 3 Net Damage or the access prevention will depend on your deck - though it's probably disheartening to have that as your only ICE against a runner focusing on replacement effects, say trying to Keyhole you into submission.

Now, subroutines firing is an exception and trace subroutine hitting after a fire even more so. Makes that second subroutine a bit more interesting than Assassin's. More specialized, but then that's partly why you want it on a central: can help secure your remote.

Another ICE that immediately comes to mind as a comparison is Grim, tough I don't see it played much anymore. Which to a point is telling, I guess.

Thanks for the input, I was going to include it, but had some influence free and so I ended up playing Colossus instead. Strength boost in a sentry? This is too good.

A bit late, but between Chiyashi and DNA Tracker added to the big ICE list and the new options added to make it happen, a deck using Mutate could probably pull some neat stuff.... Add things like Cortex Lock or Mind Games as interesting options for replacement.

Assassin isn't that bad if one is playing a Cache list and chose D&D for non-HB corp.

Sure, but if you're going for a mill win anyway what you mill doesn't matter, you're still milling 15 cards per Jackson use. Agenda flood is a harder target I'll admit, but that still doesn't excuse dismissive comments like "Jackson turns off Noise/Fisk" and "maybe after Jackson rotates".

I don't know, maybe I'm just getting sensitive about hyperbolic statements after lurking /bgg/ for too long, I apologize.

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Wonder if this would make a good import in an upgrade spam Gagarin along side Caprice + Ash + K.P. Lynn. Probably no Prisecs, which is unfortunate.

That's a cool card (I love the mechanics/theme combo there), but even with the 5 bypass cards from TD (incidentally, that's a full half of the runner cards in the pool that involve bypass) I don't think it's worth an include (even more depressingly, there's only 1 more runner card that uses expose than there is that uses bypass, and it's an ID, and expose is rarely as valuable)

Pic also related, but with terrible stats as well

That's if you're going for the mill kill - which is the exception. Most of the time milling is about getting agendas to steal in archives. Same as making the corp overdraw.

And does JH hurts that.

I maybe a bit overstating things, but I'm thinking it's a just backfire to "Fisk is unplayable shit".

It's worth it if you are going to play Tollbooth/Komainu in there. Maybe even certain boostable ICE like Firewall and Colossus. It's a nice tech against that Femme.
I love expose and I like taking away that advantage the Corp has though. A shame so many people don't think like me. Account Siphon into scoring server using doppelganger is one of my favourite moves as Silhouette.

>Account Siphon into scoring server using doppelganger
That's a sweet move indeed.

Yeah, I mean they're still trying, dammit, pic related is this cycle, but they're still not making it valuable enough for what they make it cost - or conversely, aren't making running without good knowledge dangerous enough - only new players really fear the risk of running without knowledge.
But, conversely, if they make running without looking too dangerous, running itself is discouraged and rush/FA becomes dominant, or things become too RNG

Spot the Prey really is one of those cards where I like the base design but can't see why they balanced it the way they did.

Should be a zero cost event. The fact that a run is mandatory, whatever the exposed card happens to be, is enough of a constraint I think.

Makes the card narrow enough. Would lose to Infiltration in camping decks already.

And Spot the Prey is not even a run event to play Public Terminal. What gives.
As much as I love expose, even I wouldn't play Spot the Prey. Maybe if it had something like "1 cost event. Expose 1 non-ice card, if it isn't an agenda you may return StP to your hand paying 1c, otherwise, make a run on that server."

Zaibatusu expose econ war would be funny.

>What gives
Someone wasn't giving a fuck when they made STP

The only thing I like about it is that you can make the run wherever - like "expose a card - it's a snare? - okay then, I'll run R&D" - that's neat, but everything else is pretty poor

I think the best expose card ever made is Drive By.

Drive By is great.
The fact that Starlight Crusade makes doing drive bys much easier is amusing

Drive-by+Blackguard can be glorious.