Well, I hope you fucks are happy. They gutted the tau codex. Markerlights are useless, special issue wargear (read, everything interesting and fun in the codex) is gone, crisis suits are 40ppm before upgrades. I understand trying to nerf the riptide spammers and shit like the wall of mirrors, but I spent days converting up a fusion blades commander because melee tau is the most fun way to play them. But now no more suicide commanders, no more crisis suit brawlers, pathfinders are so useless now they're down to boyz points. Why do we all have to suffer with the WAACfags?
I mean, woo drones are good now. I guess I'm going back to orks, they look decent this edition.
I'll be happy when they remove the whole shit faction
Jason Adams
>Markers are useless No? They do more and aren't spent upon firing. If you fire 5 markerlights at a unit, any model firing at that unit gets all of the benefits (reroll 1 to hit, +1 to hit, ignore cover, advance and fire assault weapons with no penalty).
>special issue wargear They are still around, see pic
>crisis suits are 40ppm before upgrades They also got +1 wound, and can now fire all 3 weapons each turn, all at different targets.
The loss of fusion blades will be sad, but Farsight now hits on a 2+.
All the changes seem good to me. Riptide are insane now (T8 14 wounds 2+ save), but they are actually priced appropriately ~300ppm and the changes to drones are going to be amazing.
Michael White
I love this image, it's hilarious.
Andrew Myers
>No auxiliary overhaul
COME ON GW FIX THIS SHIT
Nicholas Cooper
Man, the modern 40k art is dogshit
Joshua Lee
>I guess I'm going back to orks, they look decent this edition. You sure you aren't a WAAC fag user?
Jonathan Cox
> Something I don't like is suffering Good
Camden James
That's not special issue wargear, those are support systems. My Onager Gauntlet and Fusion Blades models are now useless. Riptides cost 100 points more and now get 1-2 hits with the ion accelerator instead of 8. Markerlights still only last until end of phase, but now we need 5 to get to hit modifiers and 4 for ignores cover. Rerolling hits of 1 is next to useless with ballistics skill 4+/5+. And all of our shooting bonuses are now just rerolls, meaning if the "each die can only be rerolled once" rule is still here 90% of are rules are useless. Easily boosting BS with markerlights was what let tau be a shooty army at all, this is the new >I2
>ranged army >BS 4+
Hammerheads can barely oneshot trukks, all template weapons (bar flamers) now get 1-2 hits on average, commanders have next to no customisation (especially the flying one), and even troop heavy strategies get fucked over by nerfs to pathfinders and darkstrider.
It's just a general nerf. If this doesn't make tau scary underpowered, the intended way of playing them must have become very different to anything we've seen before.
Kayden Wilson
Am I the only Tau player who's happy with this shit? They look like they'll be tough to play now. They look like you'll have to think about tactics. As someone who's played them since their initial release I enjoyed the exodus from them when their broadsides got nerfed & hated the influx after the realisation that shit like riptides were borked. Now I can only hope the fucking Weebs & power players will flee the faction again. I just want a weak faction whos only hope to survive in the grim reality is well thought out tactics and questionable ethics when it comes to auxiliaries.
Jaxon Howard
MOST things don't get oneshot now, if you haven't noticed.
Adrian Morris
And God said, "Let there be salt"
Dominic Moore
Yes. Yes I am happy.
Welcome to being balanced fuckbeak
Isaiah Gutierrez
>I just want a weak faction How about a faction that is competitive but not overpowered?
Benjamin Reyes
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Isaac Diaz
You do realize this is GW we're talking about, right?
James Gomez
>Tau aren't OP now >wah wah they suck
Git gud
Zachary Kelly
>Hammerheads can barely oneshot trukks This pleases me immensely.
Andrew Fisher
I've spent the last several years dying because my main army is orks. I once went a year gaming weekly and losing every game because I collected fun models instead of powerful ones. There was a brief period there with the tau where I could run the most stupid anime farsight enclaves army I wanted and still have a decent chance of winning, but if nothing else, have a fun game. It's really not fun having to fight to win when you only get to play about once a week or less and the other player doesn't have to try half as hard and still win. This is why balanced games are fun. Old markerlights were an example of a mechanic that relied on tactics. Doctrina Imperatives and Canticles for AdMech are tactical mechanics. I agree that riptides should have been nerfed into oblivion, just to get the real faggots out of the army, but there really wasn't any need to remove the onager gauntlet. Were that many people losing games because a shas'ui donkeypunched their rhino? If my dakkajets can't 9/11 imperial knights they've officially wasted the potential of 8ed. Guess we'll have to wait for the 40 euro codices and faction supplements to get fun stuff again.
Aaron Brooks
>I guess I'm going back to orks, they look decent this edition. Faction flake spotted.
That said, I'll happily loot your Tau army's vehicles. Da boyz could use some new rides!
David Williams
RIP tau
what game do i play now?
Luis Howard
i literally came while reading your complaint about derperlights. they really needed to be nerfed a bit. tau were the definition of an unfun army to play against in 6e and 7e. its about fucking time they require some thought to play properly.
David Garcia
I'm here with 20 years old metal models. Mono pose, mono list for at least a decade and now with 8th they are more mono build with Celestine as an auto include to even function.
What I'm saying here, you are fine. It's not even worth getting upset. Everyone got some shit
Jace Mitchell
>If my dakkajets can't 9/11 imperial knights >9/11-ing things (and SURVIVING) is probably a tried and true combat tactic of the Fighta Bomma/Dakkajet Ork Air Corp
Please stop giving me such hilarious ideas user. My sides can only handle so much.
Ian Cruz
Removing riptide formation removing everything good points are shit
Why does GW want me to suck?
Anthony Wood
I like you, you've got your head on straight.
Bentley Roberts
Eh I mostly play very narrative games when I do play any more. I came to the game young as a guard player & after years of playing guard realised I enjoyed underdog status more than powerhouse. Sure I can make a horrible horrible list with Guard but I prefer to make a fluffy list & then fight a loosing battle where I have to figure out what my own objectives should be. For me the new Tau details seem to give me that. Plus one can only hope it opens the door to more auxiliaries.
Anthony Cooper
When did SoB win tourney?
Aiden White
It should be viable top tier at least. Tau should be competitive at any tournament. It's in the fluff and how could awesome mecha not rape shitty stuff. If Tau doesn't top 8 tournaments there is no reason to play them.
Michael Stewart
this is the voice of wisdom. its happened to everyone, even happening to marines right now with grav and numarines. don't worry, broadsides and riptides seem pretty tough and shooty.
Matthew Flores
Do you play tourney? If not user, you really shouldn't weight about how a faction should be.
Juan Cook
thread should have added tourney players only to the OP. Too many kiddies commenting
Thomas Ramirez
Sweet jesus no. Tournies and competitive gaming are pure cancer. I played them when I was a lot younger & found I could either win & be a bastard or lose & be a nice guy. Having the pay for the privilege as well...
Dylan Campbell
this level of salt its glorious
Luis Morales
balance doenst matter anywhere else
Colton Lewis
Ah so everyone upset about the changes are the tourny players. That makes sense. Ok guys sorry your tourny lists for borked I hope you sell your tau off on ebay for low low prices!
Ryan Cook
is the conversation supposed to shift over to tourney context now? OP posted about playing them in a fun way that is no longer possible.
are you literally retarded? balance always matters
John Ross
I dont fucking care. Just tell me if broadsides with railguns are actually good enough now.
Sebastian Evans
theoretically balance only matters in match/tournament play
Casual is arbitrary power level, aka you aren't expected to bring the best list possible. Meaning the rules are defined by social contract and not by the books.
when both players are bringing subpar on purpose lists there is no important balance
Liam Nguyen
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John Allen
Yeah, and I hope they are just basecoated in either Russ grey or the Fang because tourneys dont need finished models.
Jacob Wood
hopefully eldar are next to get nerfed.
Michael Moore
Looks like the tau pilot came all over his pj's from all this commotion.
Carson Roberts
>Tau dominance is over
Xenos master race coming through
Matthew Carter
the salt is strong in this one
Leo Reed
why does casual matter? If I'm already expected to bring a weak list why does it matter what power level the general army is?
Angel Walker
There is a difference between Standard MTG with a format, and say kitchen table MTG.
In casual formats there is an expectation of bringing an intentionally weak list. So it's arbitrary, balance doesn't matter. If my two riptide formation list isn't allowed why does it matter if it is possible?
Jordan Bennett
You can make an army of shitty trashmans and an idiot someone in the world would find them fun.
If you don't play seriously you have no business declaring that a faction is better or worse.
Brayden Hughes
>Well, I hope you fucks are happy. They gutted the tau codex. Anything bad that happens to the Tau is good in my book.
Hudson Diaz
> Playing toy soldiers seriously Nice meme
Christopher Sanchez
>dose pulse rifle stats
Ouch Basically marine-tier shooting and worse against T3 or lower thanks to S changes.
Tau aren't looking good.nice
Brody Kelly
Seems so shas'la im ok with tau nerf now i wont feel like a goddamn fucking retard when i lose all the time with them
Sebastian Lopez
sirlin's famous competitive book: Play to win sirlin.net/ptw/
Tau WAACfags on suicide watch, all this butthurt is absolutely delicious.
Wyatt Thomas
>Tau dominance meme You fucking retard, go see which armies are top winners. Tau usually do well but top winners were Eldar and Chaos.
Ryder Perry
>tau forced to be less OP than before but still OP >cries like a bitch
You are the waacfag. And you aren't going to play orks, because they are shit. You are gonna play your OP Tau that got a minor nerf at best.
Julian Lewis
>pulse weapons literally same as before dipshit
Brayden Robinson
Oh no.... that'd be such a shame! I'm so not going to watch ebay for the next few days for rage quits from the faction Sorry user but Tau aren't for you any more. Run along to the ALL NEW PRIMARIS MUHRENES (tm)!!!!! I'm sure they'll be perfect for tournaments.
Jayden Clark
>I just waste lots of money and never gained anything with my money I feel sorry for you.
Hudson Cook
They aren't even bad still. Tau players just fucking whining or someshit.
Kayden Wood
>Tau should be competitive at any tournament. It's in the fluff and how could awesome mecha not rape shitty stuff. If Tau doesn't top 8 tournaments there is no reason to play them. >bitching about not being able to come out on top after years of doing so when some factions have almost NEVER been able to be competitive in tourney play CRY MOAR YA BLUE-SKINNED, SLIT-FACED, PINT-SIZED, FLABBY-ARMED, CLOSE-COMBAT-FAILIN', VEGGIE-EATIN', KROOT-LOVIN', YELLOW-BELLIED, SNIVELING, WORM-EYED, HOTTEN-BLAUGH, VILE-STOOCHIE, CALLY-BREEK-TATTIE!
Camden Adams
Stay mad fucking old fag shit.
Sebastian Morales
>Primaris From what I saw they don't really shine much. Need to wait and see what else they get.
Jayden Campbell
>waacfag >OP is salty because he loses 50 pt melee weapon that stops working in every 1/6 of assaults >in tau you have a strange definition of WAAC
Ian Nguyen
My bet is that the tau players whining are the ones that only bought shitloads of riptides and couple crisis suits and now they have to buy actual troops(?!!)
Samuel Green
>(base) STORMSURGES >CHEAPER THAN (base) RIPTIDES HOLEEEEEEEE SHIEEEEET
Joshua Ross
I concur, but I think we've avoided the Radar better.
Jose Thompson
What is it with weapons though
Adam Jackson
>necrons >lose to SM >lose to Tyranids Kek.
Gavin Reed
hence "base" but yeah with SS having like ten weapons it'll be more expensive
Alexander Perry
wait for tier 1 to be discovered switch harvest tears
It's not over.
Easton Allen
Except BS 4+ unless 5 fucking marker lights.
4+ to hit, 3+ to wound (T3 & T4) & 0 AP (T-shirt saves making a comeback) vs 3+ to hit, 3+/4+ to wound (T3/T4) &0 AP
Tau got screwed troops-wise.
Charles Ross
tau troops were always worthless at least alt force org charts will mean were not stuck with shit warriors and kroot
Elijah Taylor
>mfw tau get nerfed and brought on the level of other factions It is all for the Greater Good of the game.
Logan Hernandez
Fucking tau fags on suicide watch, also dem trips
Luis Watson
We still have to wait and see but it is look really bad for us. I'm hoping for the following 8th tier list
S Class SoB Eldar Tau
A class everything else
Elijah Hall
Dez dubz
Owen Sullivan
Had to go back and look and wow... the assassin's mask :x
And that one screaming fire warrior lmao
Zachary Hernandez
math hammer wise, is it better to have 3 burst cannons or 2 burst cannons and a multitracker? (reroll 1's)
Jonathan Foster
because you do suck you waac cunt.
Jose Ortiz
>this little tech adept doesn't know what an augur is
people play to win in the overwhelming majority of games. The only time to intentionally play worse is with little kids. I think you just have some personal issues or are backing up horrible balance.
Playing to win is the most basic experience in a game.
If you want to play for fun create some shitty AI to co-op against. Don't stand across from me.
Julian Campbell
>Xenos master race >Struggling to devour ONE empire of Angry Walking Space Mushrooms >Said Angry Space Mushrooms killed Swarmlord (Jobber, thy name is Swarmlord) without direct involvement of a special character Come back and try talking trash AFTER you manage to eat an Ork Empire bugs-for-brains.
Jordan Brown
>unable to differentiate between WIN AT ALL COSTS and PLAY TO WIN
Gavin Russell
>Don't stand across from me.
Michael Diaz
don't get me started on small details
The point is the point of wh40k is to build a list and win with it. That is the basis of the game. Casual play being considered default is because of poor balance and not a good thing. It arises because of the flaws in design and not because that is a good way to play games.
Every game has casual players. It's not unique to 40k that people play for fun. what is unique is the attitude and way people defend poor balance as not mattering. That attitude and perspective is because of the flaws in 40k and in the community.
Evan Howard
This.
Owen Wood
The point is, people should look up top 8 lists, pick one they like, and be able to build their army as a copy wtihout anyone seeing it as a problem.
MTG has already accepted good healthy competitive metagame. It's time 40k grew up and became a competitive based game. In the end, with good development, it will lead to a more exciting game.
Jayden Walker
get fucked you codex-hopping tourney faggot
Hudson Brooks
The goal of any game is to win.
You just don't have to be bleeding edge to do it. Take something just because it's cool. If you stomp, handicap yourself and try again.
A game's true purpose is to be an enjoyable experience for both people. If it's just frustrating for another person, you wont enjoy the game either (or if you still do you wont have many people to play with).
William Cox
This is GW apologism. GW should balance it. If my army is OP they should address that. Instead of relying on me to balance it by not using good things.
Carter Rogers
Christ you're giving us Tau players a bad name. Yeah, most people want to win, but good players want a balanced game where either side has a ~50% chance of winning before the first dice is rolled.
Riptides needed to be nerfed. Like with Wraithknights, I have absolutely no idea why GW didn't pull the gun on them with the last codex.
As a Tau player since 4th, this seems like an nice set-up. Plasma is strange since it's weaker than the Imperial version's safety mode, when Tau had the first safe plasma, but at least it's well costed. I also don't like Pulse Carbines lacking photon grenade launchers when it's right there on the model. Both of these complaints are about dressing more than anything. Otherwise, I quite like this codex. It has some good ideas and looks well balanced. Time will tell if this is true.
Ethan Hill
Also this.
Eli Brown
>what is unique is the attitude and way people defend poor balance as not mattering
Like when people have an overpowered army and complain when it doesn't preform as well, even before they see how the other factions work?
hmmm... makes you think.
Did you really think "Balance" means, whatever lets my faction remain on top?
Alexander Russell
Fuck Tau.
I hope they get beat so hard with the Nerf Bat that they get Squatted.
They are nothing but a blight on the game, the meta, and the fluff.
Carter Morgan
this is why tau player and sm player tears taste so amazing
Michael Cook
>Riptides needed to be nerfed. Except that Tau didn't rule as much as Eldar or Chaos.
