First for reasonable Tau. I'm leery of some of the nerfs, BUT I WANT MY RAILSIDES.
Actually first for the Dark Eldar and "cultural exchange".
Aiden Kelly
why are fishfags so butthurt
your shit was op and it has been balanced
Brandon Williams
I haven't seen much butthurt here. I, for one, am very pleased with the changes and look forward to playing on a leveled playing field with other factions. More fun for everyone this way.
Colton Morris
apparently tau lovers on dakka dakka are sperging out hard
Isaiah Kelly
What over?
Xavier Reed
Nth for 8E is just AoS in space.
7th was a clusterfuck, but they didn't need to drop it to "babby's first wargame" level.
Jaxon Thomas
I'm pretty hype for new Tau. While they needed some of the big stuff, there are also a lot of cool changes to some of the lesser used units (tanks, ethereals, kroot) that I'm super hyped to play around with
Easton Moore
They were more annoying to fight than OP. Tau have had immense trouble making an impact in competitive scenes, but all of the units that people liked using were the ones that are very good against non-competitive lists.
I welcome the changes (I think the new broadsides are going to be ridiculous to be honest) and am excited to get a game in where I can use the units I like and not get immediately labeled a power gamer.
Nicholas Hill
"Shot at me."
Liam Reed
Those tau support things are pretty solid. Advanced targeting on, well any battlesuit will be scary.
Stormsurge with cluster+pulse+SMS weapons and advanced targeting
daaaammmmn
add multitracker and the cluster rockets become 4D6 S5 AP -1 range 48'' reroll 1's, hit on a 3+ if stabilized
Aiden White
Is relic wargear for all factions gone? How about faction specific warlord traits? Sure seems like it
Matthew Diaz
Riptide got nerfed pretty hard.
Nolan White
That they can't just put Riptides and marker drones on the table and instawin
Owen Long
Kys
Hudson Thomas
How common are mortal wounds?
Alexander Bell
Not to mention there's hope that we won't be the automatic "fucking Waacfags REEEEE" faction, so we may actually be able to have reasonable discussion without the anti-Tau frothing at the mouth.
I hope the nerfs/readjustments change up the playstyle a bit. Currently I'm thinking it'll still be JSJ, but more refined. Also pretty hyped to use my Ethereals on the Fire Warriror gunline while suits become the vanguard.
Are we on dakkadakka?
Luis Campbell
How do you feel about elite armies going first? Definitely going to hurt those horde armies that take an extra turn of shooting before they get to cc.
Jack Hernandez
Tau suits have all gotten substantially tankier, but at the same time have had their price increased by 30-50%. Broadsides are now 150-250 a model but in turn have 6 wounds and toughness 6.
Nathaniel Gonzalez
That's it?
I've been out of the game for years now (Start of 6th) but even I heard how stupid Riptide spam got.
That and marklight on overwatch seemed stupidly broken.
That doesn't seem too bad.
Joshua Fisher
Seems like they are gone for now and will come back when the codecies are made.
>mfw I want to run Orks in 8e but can't stand boyz disgusting gorrila butts New orks models fuckin when
Chase Flores
More than we thought, since they seem to be on a lot of special attacks along with powerful weapons and psychic stuff
Noah Miller
It says broadsides are 80 points but I take it that doesn't include the cost for weapons?
Ethan Howard
Oh fuck. Oh fuck! Is that what happened to the Onager Gauntlet? Fuck me right in the conversions
Elijah Kelly
>why are fishfags so butthurt >implying its all fishfags It's mostly the unfun tourneyfags (on here anyway) who think the balance should always be in their favor (read: the pricks who pulled the Riptide spam all the time).
>dakka dakka are sperging out hard Best quote: "I have seen the codex leaks. Tau are dead as a viable faction."
James Thomas
>6 wounds >T6 >can be oneshot by a Lascannon >Tougher
Lincoln Kelly
Also, ethereal buffs apply to suits now too, a stationary suit near an ethereal gets to rerolls its 1s to hit
So ethereal buffing your backline, essentially giving every unit and model a free multitracker without any caveat
Jaxson Brown
I'm personally liking the idea of an Ethereal on a hover Drone to tag along and support the battlesuits more directly
Ayden Barnes
>Not painting Baboon asses on your Ork buttz
Lucas Reed
how tasteless can you be
Matthew Cox
Correct, you now pay the base plus any wargear they have.
David White
Really common it seems but most sources won't do a lot of them.
Nicholas Mitchell
What is the split going to be on the imperium / xenon books?
SM / Everything Else? Elder & Tau / Everything Else?
Landon Gonzalez
>all that accumulated dust
Jacob Mitchell
Am I the only one in this thread who doesn't even play this game? I just like how comfortably everyone talks to each other and how quickly information is dispersed, unlike in certain other threads where people immediately do the gayest shit possible.
Andrew Thomas
>"taufags btfo lol" >implying im not about to laugh at astartes surrounded by my shiny new thiccsides, behind a tidewall rampart hahahaha
Jaxson Martinez
like 1/10 attacks you roll are going to be mortal wounds
Jaxon Moore
>That doesn't seem too bad. Easy mode is gone. They may still be pretty good, but it's no longer CLEAR that they are one of the best armies.
Ian Nelson
For 210 points: Broadside w/ 2 High Yield Missile Pods, 2 SMS, and an Advanced Targeting System.
This Broadside is T6 with 6 wounds, has a 1+ save in cover and puts out 8 S7 -2 D3 damage shots and 8 S5 -1 1 damage shots a turn.
Without any drones, on average it takes Space Marine firing 9 lascannons (9 fire, 6 hit, 4 wound, 2 are saved) to kills a single one of these broadsides. Adding a single shield drone (8 points) requires another 4.5 lascannons to be fired at them.
Lascannons instant-deathed Broadsides before.
Owen Parker
>can be oneshot >instead of is oneshot Yeah Colbert that's how it works.
Adrian Watson
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Isaiah Wright
totally agreed
Thomas Clark
Apparently less than some orks players
Isaiah Rodriguez
That, too. They can actually keep up. Just imagining an Ethereal floating behind some suits shouting shit about the greater good while bullets whizz by and explosions bounce off the shield generators gives me a chub.
Leo Diaz
Given how much the new wounding system benefits shot number and how much more generally effective hordes are with auto fallbacks? eh, I'll let it rock
Aaron Rodriguez
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Chase Barnes
>all these Tau leaks >nothing about Orks, Nids or GSC
Camden Rogers
Yes taufags are an abomination
Kayden Brown
Half right I guess. Thanks.
Hudson Wright
where are all the loyal ork players
James Anderson
Thats good.
I never really was one for power gaming (I ran A BT counts as army with max crusader squads) so the markerlight and overwatch shennaniganry combined with the big suits kinda didn't seem that right to me....As did the detatchments and free things.
Julian Bennett
Mono pose, mono list, needs a special character to even function.
Can you guess the 8th faction?
Levi Moore
There are no loyal Ork players, only people who pretend they know how the game works.
James Moore
I like it a lot. I think it's one of the best mechanics of AoS. It provides a lot of tactics with deployment and gives a pretty huge reason to not just MSU everything.
Carson Stewart
nigga fite me
Aaron Gomez
Sisters.
Aiden Lewis
Tau btfo
Michael Rogers
That's not how you play 40K either.
Robert Lewis
>tauplayers stick together >npcs just fuck around
Hunter Brown
They didn't got books. Remember the rumors? The rules where written with help of the waacfag tournament players.
Guess what armies are in the tournament scene? Not orks
Lucas Thompson
I've played AoS, 8E is basically a prettied AoS.
Then looking at unit/weapon profiles it's just more of the same shit that AoS has.
>almost no USRs everything has it's own special-snowflake rules. Which will end up like AoS having fucking 50 different rules for what a shield does >"power" system Matched play points are a fucking mess to navigate, and the "power" rankings are arbitrary. >Smaller unit sized armies go first Fucks over anything that isn't an elite army. (see: Space Marines)
it keeps going on.
So much for "years of development"
Henry White
Oh, they were T4 before, right.
Excuse me while I eat my hat.
Cameron Wright
These leaks make me sad as a Guard player. We can already see the trend of all vehicles becoming more expensive. This is going to mean less Guard tanks on the table. And our base infantry literally can't do shit against most other armies.
Xavier Perry
Why is there one autist in these threads always trying to start a shitstorm with Orks involved
Grayson Hall
Kinda proving my point, ain'tcha?
Leo Wilson
Do Drones not count for Morale in 8th ed?
Because I'm picturing a scenario where I give a riptide -1Ld and kill his drones only for him to roll a 6
Ayden Evans
Unless you stick half your army in reserve to get that first turn.
Thomas Gray
But Reecius has personally crafted the ultimate gaming system! didn't you hear 8th can do no wrong
Blake King
ORKS ARE BACK BABY
Jonathan Cox
Drones are always separate unit. They take their own morale tests and don't affect the units they took hits for.
Gavin Reed
Drone Support ability. They are deployed as you normally would if you bought drones, but then they are treated as separate units. Saviour protocols let you kill a drone instead of taking a wound on X unit within 6(I think)inches.
Ethan Bailey
>How do you feel about elite armies going first? Definitely going to hurt those horde armies that take an extra turn of shooting before they get to cc.
Seriously? That's completely kills the idea of balance on the battlefield.
>Why is there one autist in these threads always trying to start a shitstorm with Orks involved Zogged if I know, but 'e iz one annoying lil' git. Probably a snotling hiding behind a keyboard or sumfing.
Aaron Morales
Okay, that's good
Morale tests when Droids died was weird
Xavier Fisher
Would you look at the time!
Jeremiah Cruz
Looking at the Space Marine point costs at 3500pts I can get
2 HQs 60-70 marines 3 Land Raiders 3 Drop pods 3 Dreadnoughts 3 Rhinos/Razorbacks 3 Grav Centurions
Looks ok, I think making some transports more expensive is perfectly fine and it stops the game from needing too many models as a 1500 list will be less models than before and that is always a good thing.
Chase Allen
>Am I the only one who thinks Primaris would be perfect for Mentor Legion? No.
Benjamin Hughes
Each of those still counts as a "drop", or atleast it does in AoS. For example, rather than deploying a unit, you would "deploy my assault marines in reserves". Then you opponent would place a unit.
Jack Hill
Hold fast, trooper. It'll be a cold day in hell before the Leman Russ is bad for its points, and if anything can wound anything, that makes the humble lasgun better than ever at its job.
Sure, you won't kill a Gargant with a volley of lasguns, but you'll never be wasting your shots, either.
Hudson Long
>Definitely going to hurt those horde armies
it might not. Hordes doesn't always mean more units. The ork player with huge mobs might still have less total units then a Marine player with MSU's
Parker Miller
Is ot time, brother? Is it time to AMPLIFY?
Benjamin Fisher
Numarines.
Cooper Morris
numarines
Adrian Collins
this feels like it should be a .gif
Bentley Howard
What the fuck. So as guard, unless im playing against nids or orks I'm only get to go first 1/6 games? That's fucking gay.
Nathaniel Fisher
Oh look, it's another of those uninformed shitposters.
You're fake news buddy.
Easton Powell
How does this work with transports?
Do I have to deploy the transport empty, then wait a turn and deploy then the squad in it?
What about reserves? Do I not deploy them at all, or do I take a turn to "deploy" them in reserve?
Lincoln Ramirez
Wrong Almost
Luke Wood
Our base infantry is fucking frightening when you have decent numbers, which you usually do. Especially with the new frfsrf.
Isaiah Allen
It's not model count, it's unit count. A few blobs surrounding characters all starting in transports would deploy after a lot of elite armies, unless you put them into one unit.
Daniel Hall
Depends on units, not models. See
Justin Gonzalez
>guardsmen >leading the charge instead of digging in The fuck kind of guardsman are you, leave glorious death to the SM
Evan Clark
It was. I tried to crop it on my phone.
Daniel Fisher
SCREAM TO BE HEARD
Ethan Cox
All that and MORE
Carter King
If it works like AoS, then yes.You take a turn to "deploy" each unit, whether that be in a transport, in reserves, or on the table.
Colton Davis
I DON'T EVEN LIKE CHAOS MARINES ALL THAT MUCH, BUT I LOVE ME SOME NOISE BOIS.
>reserves I recall the deepstrike rules we keep seeing read something like "you may choose to deploy them in a teleportarium/hangar/ship/whatever" which at first I thought was just fluff but now I think actually means that you take your deployment turn to deploy it there.