Guns in Fantasy

>black legion of Hungary
Get that multicultural shit out of here. Medieval fantasy has no place for blacks OR gays.

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It isn't trolling just because it hurts your feelings, shit DM-kun

(OP)
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If your players approach you with plans to make katanas, with the possibility to upgrade to masterwork blades as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:

>B-b-b-but muh bastard swords
>B-b-b-but muh eurocentric setting
>B-b-b-but mommy, weebs are shitting in my fantasy kitchen sink

Shut up. You shouldn't be DMing. Your players are trying to make something interesting out of your generic, elf-loving fantasy, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be DMing - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.

TL/DR, if you can't handle glorious nippon steel in fantasy settings, you shouldn't be a DM.

>Repeating firearms=automatic weapons

>mfw my setting has both 19 century-style guns and kemonomimi races
So, does that mean i have thhe best setting?

If your players approach you with plans to make themselves number two, with the possibility to upgrade to number one as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:
>B-b-b-but muh balance
>B-b-b-but mud medieval fantasy
>B-b-b-but mommy, the good guy is number one r-right?
Shut up. You shouldn't be DMing. Your players are trying to make something interesting out of your generic, elf-loving fantasy, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be DMing - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.
TL/DR, if you can't handle being number one in fantasy settings, you shouldn't be a DM.

Just as long as your players are using the guns to commit furry genocide, yes. If furry races are playable, immediately kill yourself.

How would you make kemonomimi? If they could develop a coherent method to actually produce genuine cat-eared humanoids, I would let it pass.

You fuck a cat

That makes no sense. Having sex with a cat would not produce cat-eared humans. Come back to me with a good method or it's a no go.

Convergent evolution + magic.

What if i told you that it's not catpeople who look like humans, it's humans who look like catpeople

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>That makes no sense. Having sex with a cat would not produce cat-eared humans

Are you retarded? Yes it would.

>Catgirls
>Furry

Reproduction works by taking part of each individual's soul, so when you fuck or get fucked by a cat you're mixing a human soul with a cat soul.

Human souls are naturally much more potent and so the result is always a cat-eared human.
This can have unfortunate implications if the mother was a cat.

Get this furry shit out of MY thread. This is a serious issue that needs to be discussed.

>>/mlp/
>>/trash/
>>/literally kill yourself/

Have you fucked a cat user? Because if not you're just making rules up without any reason.

Oh, wow! Epic, this is the best worldbuilding ever!

Even in a shitposting thread, Veeky Forums manages to have amazing discussion!

Veeky Forums is the best board! The best board!!

Same as elves, dwarves, halflings, whatever else you have in your campaign.

It's really not that outlandish of a concept.

Human tribes worshiping animal gods who whose offspring takes their some of the divine characteristics as blessing during their birth.

Easiest to do and also explain why their behavior are similar to humans.

I miss having quest threads on Veeky Forums

>Players
>Making demands

How cute.

Let them have their fantasy once in a while.

Just write a novel, railroad-kun.

Anyone who isn't utterly moronic and had access to advanced engineering knowledge could make a working pistol. It doesn't matter how clever you are, if you don't have in-depth understanding of the field, you won't know what you're doing. If you were to give the smartest man in medieval europe all the materials necessary to make a gun, without teaching him how to do it he'd probably make one that exploded in his face.

Just... make them another race? I mean, in standard fantsy setting™ we have:
>Humans
>Tall humans with pointy ears
>Short humans with beards
>Brutish humans
>Short humans with hairy feet

It's a tube of metal stuffed with gunpowder, how hard could it be? Yurocucks like you have no idea what you're talking about. WHY contribute?

Unless they're inventors, blacksmiths, and chemists, with intelligence scores and skill dumps to match, they're not going to be inventing shit. It's metagamey as fuck to believe that they could just spontaneously come up with the idea AND the methods of crafting even basic firearms on their own, in much the same way as it'd be metagamey to assume they could "decide" to discover penicillin.

That said, if someone wanted to play an adventuring blacksmith/alchemist and spent time roleplaying his invention process with the goal of building primitive firearms, I might consider letting him.

What is this, the sixth, seventh thread about guns in fantasy in a row? Are we done yet? It's not like the answer is ever going to change: some people like guns, some do not. Period.

The only one on their period here is you, princess. Maybe you should shut up while men are talking.

The question was how would the PLAYERS make kemomimi, in universe.

>humans are "magical" race
>kemonomimi actually invented guns because they can't into magic
You won't like my setting, then.

That stock looks fucking awful. Why is it made out of iron???

I have every right to do whatever I want. I'm the GM, it's my game, and we're following my rules. If you don't like it, GM your own game.

Oh wait, you won't, because you're lazy and shit.

Bait is becoming a form of performance art and I kinda love it.

>Implying anyone would play with a fucktard like you.
Enjoy playing with yourself, yurocuck.

>talking about guns make me a man
Laughable.

It's the air tank.

>In universe
I hate to just say "magic", but... magic. Maybe god shenanigans, there are enough explanations (doesn't mean GM HAS to like or allow them).

Much better method would be solving it OOC, before the campaign starts. When i GM, i usually give players free reign on deciding what races their characters are and then incorporate races in the setting so they aren't snowflakey. The result is win-win - players get their half-elementals and lizardmen, I get an interesting setting to consider and don't have to go "OH MY GOD IT'S [a weird thing]" each time they enter another settlement.

A tube of metal stuffed with gunpowder accurately describes a pipe bomb. Which is what the dude would make, and then he'd die.

>Yurocuck numales talking about being a man
Literally laughing at your life right now. Shouldn't you be letting Muhammad fuck your wife right now?
>Yurocucks
>Having tanks
Their armies can't even afford bullets. Sad!

Not a masterfully executed one though.

>fearing technology makes me psychologically superior

Euros, lol. How does it feel knowing that the replication crisis falsified over 60% of the social "sciences"?

yeah, great. we have handgonnes. they do 1d12 damage and ignore 5 points of armour. the paladn smites harder than that

And I can make the paladin fall. Checkmate, fucker.

But if furries were gone, we'd have no way to quickly detect disruptive autismos and kick them from the group before they shit up the game.

Are you guys still forcibly lobotomizing homosexuals and trying to cure mental illnesses by surgically removing random organs without anesthesia?

>Kicking out the autismos
WRONG. Those are the people you WANT to play with. What, are you going to let normies into your game?
What's wrong with any of that?

How do they go from this...

...to this?

Hard work and pioneer spirit, two things that a yurocuck like you wouldn't understand. PCs are supposed to be a cut above the norm, anyway.

>men are talking
>one ass blasted aspie and a bunch of furries

>yurocuck
>guy posts two european firearms

How does it feel to be retarded?

You do know that Giradoni air rifles have a really big part in American history?

If your players approach you with plans to make anal beads and early sex toys, with the possibility to upgrade to modern multi stage vibrating dildos as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:

>B-b-b-but muh balance
>B-b-b-but mud medieval fantasy
>B-b-b-but mommy, sex positive culture scares me

Shut up. You shouldn't be DMing. Your players are trying to make something fetishy out of your generic, puritan fantasy, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be DMing - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.

TL/DR, if you can't handle sex toys in fantasy settings, you shouldn't be a DM.

There is a ninety five% chance he is european.

Probably some no guns country like scotland

Just ignore and report the retarded /pol/ poster. He'll get a nice ban for a week and we can get back to discussing Veeky Forumsun/k/ombat.

I can own those guns, you can't. Go ahead and get mad.
We're talking about guns, not toys.
Scotland isn't a real fucking country.

That's some Afro samurai shit right there my dude

Why would anyone in a fantasy setting use FIRE-arms?

Gunpowder is a poor substitute for magitech railguns.

Any alchemist can cook up some gunpowder. When you want some really magical shit, you're gonna have to pay for a highly-skilled alchemist AND an enchanter to make you a barrel that can handle the fury of Hell unleashed.

Anons, this is hot new copy pasta. Op just replaced ((TOPIC)) with ((GUNS))

Yeah, I'd say go on. It's not like it will give them any really big advantage considering that medium level characters could go one on one against a tank and win. Some even without dodging.

High fantasy doesn't care much about guns.

When I DM a low fantasy while guns will give a nice advantage for field battles 30+ seconds reloads are just not feasible for most fights. Having a gun as a last second device to kill some nasty monster yeah. Nice. But in low fantasy I'll also will track if they keep their gunpowder dry and so on.

I hope you are just being silly

I was TRYING to have a serious discussion. It's not my fault that meme vultures took my OP and twisted it for their own ends.

OP, I play a gunsmith in my current campaign and I can't disagree with you more. If I ask to add another elemental damage type to the game and give you a homebrew class to base it off of you can say no. Hell, the DM even changed pre-established rules in the PHB because of his combat preference and because were his players it was essentially suck it up or go home.
>I'm entitled to play any class I want in your campaign
10/10 you've baited me again.

If your players approach you with plans to make nuclear weapons and early nuclear bombs, with the possibility to upgrade to thermonuclear bombs as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:

>B-b-b-but muh balance
>B-b-b-but mud medieval fantasy
>B-b-b-but mommy, loud noises make me scared

Shut up. You shouldn't be DMing. Your players are trying to make something interesting out of your generic, elf-loving fantasy, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be DMing - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.

TL/DR, if you can't handle nukes in fantasy settings, you shouldn't be a DM.

This fucker never stops XD

It's his fifth time today

He's got a point though. In a setting with wizards, why shouldn't players be able to use nuclear weapons?

You fucked it up you lazy cunt. You need to throw in some

>B-b-b-but mommy, nuclear proliferation makes me scared

If your players approach you with plans to make _________ and _______, with the possibility to upgrade to ________ as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:

>B-b-b-but muh _______
>B-b-b-but mud _______
>B-b-b-but mommy, ______________

Shut up. You shouldn't be DMing. Your players are trying to make something interesting out of your generic, elf-loving fantasy, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be DMing - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.

TL/DR, if you can't handle _________ in fantasy settings, you shouldn't be a DM.

And thus a new pasta was born.

If your players approach you with plans to make directed energy weapons and early laser guns, with the possibility to upgrade to modern particle weapons as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:

>B-b-b-but muh balance
>B-b-b-but mud medieval fantasy
>B-b-b-but mommy, lbright lights make me scared

Shut up. You shouldn't be DMing. Your players are trying to make something interesting out of your generic, elf-loving fantasy, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be DMing - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.

TL/DR, if you can't handle directed energy weapons in fantasy settings, you shouldn't be a DM.

Depends on what you mean by "modern". Like what, fully automatic rifles?

>serious discussion
>opened with ad hominem and "muh" greentext dismissals
Ok

If your players approach you with plans to make submarines and aircraft, with the possibility to upgrade to modern tanks as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:

>B-b-b-but mug treaty of Versailles
>B-b-b-but mud rmilitarization of the Rhineland
>B-b-b-but mommy, Germany wants to take over Europe

Shut up. You shouldn't be enforcing post war concessions. Your players are trying to make something interesting out of your generic, Communist loving continent, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be asserting political authority - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.

TL/DR, if you can't handle Germany as a military power in Europe, you shouldn't be a DM.

It's explicitly your fault. It's never been more someone's fault. The blame rests squarely on your angry autistic shoulders.

If your players approach you with plans to make noodles and early tagliatelle, with the possibility to upgrade to modern tortellini as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:

>B-b-b-but muh balance
>B-b-b-but mud medieval fantasy
>B-b-b-but mommy, pasta is fattening

Shut up. You shouldn't be DMing. Your players are trying to make something interesting out of your generic, elf-loving fantasy, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be DMing - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.

TL/DR, if you can't handle pasta in fantasy settings, you shouldn't be a DM.

Can /best board/ make a setting out of this? Pasta-punk maybe?

Agree on general terms. "Say yes or roll the dice" is one of the cardinal rules of DM'ing. But just because the PC's can get guns, doesn't mean you have to make it easy. They may need to go on quests to find the knowledge / materials. They may need to develop new skills. Getting the raw materials to keep them loaded and maintained doesn't have to be trivial either. Remember it took hundreds of years of firearm development before they were good enough to completely replace bows and xbows.

>making fun of American (education, presumably)
>"guns weren't even invented until the late 1800s"
If I facepalmed hard enough for this comment, I'd have to spend the week in the hospital.

My dog knows more world history than this guy.

>I hate to just say "magic", but... magic
Yeah, agreed, but as above that doesn't mean it has to be easy. If the PC's are really committed to their wacky idea, fine. Use it as the basis for an adventure. Hell, there's a million ways this could go... the PC wants to "create life"? "play god"? Not hard to see the thread of a noble pursuit becomes obsession becomes villain thread there. Or have them succeed, but the cat-man-thing is just "not right" and is horribly mutated... or appears physically fine but turns murderous.

Out of curiosity, where do you anons THINK inventions come from?

>where do you anons THINK inventions come from?
America. Yurocucks need to step up their game.

If your players approach you with plans to make metal tools and early blades, with the possibility to upgrade to modern swords as the game continues, you have NO right to refuse them. Now, I know what you're going to say:

>B-b-b-but muh balance
>B-b-b-but mud paleolithic fantasy
>B-b-b-but mommy, wrought iron and bronze is scary
Shut up. You shouldn't be DMing. Your players are trying to make something interesting out of your generic, cave-loving fantasy, and you're throwing it back in their faces. You have NO right to be DMing - just give your notes to one of your players, they can do a better job than you can.

TL/DR, if you can't handle swords in fantasy settings, you shouldn't be a DM.

>thinks hamburgers filled with potato chips counts as an invention
prime example of amerifat

I enjoy firearms greatly in warhammer fantasy roleplay, however i can understand why you wouldn't want players to try and introduce them into fantasy games where none exist since before.

All just joking around at this point, but I honestly believe the "If your PC's approach you with a plan to _____, go along with it" philosophy. If your PC's are passionate about something, find a way to make it work for you. They'll feel like they have control over their little world (which is the whole reason they are playing paper and not a CRPG), and you get some of the burden lifted off you as a DM since the PC's are feeding you adventure ideas.

If they're just doing it to be munchkins, then yeah, of course tell them no. But if it's something they're actually interested in and that they think is cool, let em have their moment. It's a setting with magic, nothing is totally out of the question. And if they have to travel half way around the world, make deals with demons or liches, swear their services to a foreign king and who knows what else to get the materials to realize their dream, so much the better.

I kniw you are trying your beat right now but you need to forge some better quality trolling. After all, americans didn't even invent wheels on their own.

>After all, americans didn't even invent wheels on their own.
Very true.

I get what you're saying, but OP isn't talking about suddenly dropping gunpowder on the whole setting... it's about the PC's getting a special power that nobody else in the setting has. It's not mechanically all that different from having them go to the Mountain of Badness and bringing back the Sword of Plus Things. The peasants will still be in awe. The nobles will still be suspicious. It will still help them slay gribblies.

That's it. I'm sick of all this "Mattel Toy" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. M-16's deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself bought a M-16 at a gun show for $1,350 (That's about 1100 5.56x45mm rounds) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. Even solid slabs of steel are perforated by my M-16.

M-16's are built from the best composits and aliumnium and forged up to a million times to produce the best rifle known to mankind.

M-16's are thrice as powerful than AK-74's and thrice as accruate too. Anything that can be shot by a AK-74 an M-16 can do better. I'm pretty sure a M-16 can penetrate through a knight wearing full plate with just a single trigger pull.

Ever wonder why the Soviets never invaded the United States? That's right thay were too scared of the U.S. soldiers and their Black Rifles. Even in the Vietnam War the North Vietnamese targeted the soldiers with M-16's first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? M-16's are simply the best rifle the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for M-16's.

Cost $950

Rate of fire 900 rounds per minute

Magazine size 20,30 or 100 rounds

range 440 yards

bullet speed 3,282 feet per second

Weight 7.2 pounds

bullet 5.56x45mm M855 Light Armor Piercing (Ignores armor saves and tumbles causing incapation wounds)

Now thats seems a lot more representive of the firepower of the M-16 in real life don't you think?

tl;dl = M-16 need to do more damage in the d20 system, see my new stat block.