Don't panic, everything's going to be ok Edition

I'm thinking of getting into 40k with 8th edition and I like to put a lot of effort into painting each of my models. What's a good non-knight army that requires relatively few models? Space Marines don't really interest me.

do we have anything on th black templar? i hav mine since 4th edition and iam dying to se them get some love :)

You're a wonderful person user. Would love xenos 2 if you feel up to it

Ruststalkers are the only bad Admech unit, everything else got buffed to shit. Little sad about no AP-1 on rangers, though

delete this thread, make another one with a proper title and put the link in the OP
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tau
use suits/tanks

ig
use tanks

Necrons have low model count and they might not be cluttered with details but that just means you could focus on a more intrincated paint job or much more weathering effects or conversion options

got u senpai

>>Multiple rocket pods are heavy bolter stats
With D6 shots, which makes them simultaneously better and worse. On balance, they're better, but AoS has taught me not to trust random values to be in any way reliable.

(Personally, I'd take the Hellstrikes. Those are damn melta missiles.)

Either way: DA DADA DAAA DAAA DA DADA DAAA DAAA DA DADA DAAA DAAA DA DADAAAAAA

Oh god.

Ok i read through the reanimation protocols, living metal and quantum shielding and WHAT??!!
Necrons are fucking godly now, holy shit
Also AP-2 Immortals are going to be fun

SO ARE ORKS GOOD

AND DEATHWATCH

pls be real. I'm going crazy waiting for their ff

I dunno, but this rule is neat

It's somehow simultaneously THICC and too thin. Truly the techniques of the Tau are too advanced for our understanding

That is perfect

Holy fuck

Is dakkafex a thing again?

109 points gets you 12 S7 Ap-1 shots
118 points and you get d3 S7 AP-3 shots (albeit with only 12'' range) on top of that.

I am real, user, i genuinely think they are good, really good in fact.

the 9" range for being deactivated seems kind of harsh, but yeah

Man I kind of think Deathwatch got cut short this edition. I haven't looked at their point costs yet. Do they stack up well?

>Tempestus are Troops
>Veterans are Elites

WHAT IS HAPPENING.

At least the 'It's for your own good' rule is still stronk and kleer.

>Its a 'GW is forcing IG players to buy scions' episode

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Have the lore sections been leaked yet?

Yeah, not bad so far. I'm ok with the 5" profile, could be worse. The new RP seems awesome, plus they renamed Destroyer's preferred enemy rule to
>[HARDWIRED HATRED]
How can you not love that?

>veterans are elite
how do i represent my "well-trained and well-equipped" guard army now?
now my only choice is to go with the glory boys, and pretend that they were trained with the kasrkin method instead of the progenia method

Looked at em now. Terminators are now pretty expensive seeing they are 32+whatever a powerfist is but seeing Termies are now 2 wounds maybe it makes up for it, I don't know.

Guard is awesome. Some people complain that the LR Battle Cannon got nerfed when dealing with infantry mobs, but it is now better against heavier targets. Plus, you still have heavy bolters and flamers for weakilngs (and sponsons are great now since apparently they can finally shoot at different targets). Executioner LR variant (heavy 4 s7 ap-1 d2) with 3 heavy bolters can now murder Marines like there is no tomorrow.

And veterans? Apparently, sarges can now take ANY special weapon, one guy can take a heavy flamer, two form a heavy weapon team and three MORE (it is worded as UP TO 3 ANOTHER) can take any special weapon they want. So, for example, 4 meltas, 1 heavy flamer and 1 lascannon in a single squad with BS 3+ . Their firepower is fucking insane for the cost.

I won't comment on rules balance because I've yet to play it, but one dumb thing I noticed is sternguard have "specialist boltguns" with all the ammo types built into one shot (S4, 30", ap -2), while deathwatch keep their three variant ammunition types unchanged.

It does mean deathwatch are a whole lot better at wounding big monsters, though.

Are you retarded? Quantum shields are trash, living metal is bad and their best anti tank shooting is 75 points per lascannon. Necrons are probably the worse faction we've seen in 8th so far.

>Thanks for buying all those limited-run kasrkins.
>Btw we're squatting carapace veterans.

Daemonic crabs viable now?

What don't you like about scions user?

Because Orks aren't allowed to have nice things, right!
Never mind that flamers have actually gotten worse for orks
Never mind that that special rule makes them (unit size) times less reliable than other flamer units
Never mind that every other flamer gets d6 shots
Because Burnas were objectively the most OP unit in the game, and we can't let orks have nice things.

Still too expensive for what it does.

Oh shit, one thing about deathwatch now is that you can take squads of 10 vanguard veterans and 10 bikes

Neat

>Thanks for buying those new Ahriman and Exalted Sorceror models
>Btw all discriders are daemon cavalry again.

basic deathwatch vets have gone down in price, mind

My 500-point ally list is still about 500 points in the new system, and as far as rules go is relatively untouched (though I'll have to paint two teleport homers since they cost no points).

I agree, that's fucking retarded.

Tell me they're at least 2/3 the points?

Oh shit, just checked, A 32 point terminator for deathwatch does indeed come stock with a powerfist and stormbolter. Overall very happy with this change! Veterans are now 19 points from 22 points but the trade off is that some weapons are now more costly, for example the deathwatch frag cannon is now 30 points, upped from 25.

So,

How is it so far, Veeky Forums?

>5"
That's never going to be a problem when you can dump your slow infantry in the face of enemies with night's schytes turn1. Also Destroyer Lords and Canoptek Wraiths are as good as ever.
Heavy Destroyers were, are and will always be overcosted useless shit. You're not really making a good argument for why Necrons are bad by picking one of the most underpowered units in the army, it's like saying Eldars are bad because their melee unit the assault guardians are bad at melee.

Got the full vet page? The one I have is cut off.

I like them just fine, I own a platoon of them. But I also own 6 squads of vets.

And it's a very obvious ploy by GW. Scions have official models, Vets don't.

Just played my first 8th Ed game using Power.
Primaris Marines "Counts as" Box set.
vs
Ahriman, a squad of Rubricae and a Land Raider.

Guess who won?

because burnas also have a melee profile and the two profiles are no longer mutually exclusive.

I do 2000 points of a full army for deathwatch so this is extra special for me. Might also ally custodians in for shits and giggles down the line.

Nothing yet

Glad to hear they're still viable. For some stupid reason I bought a battleforce box for them and was getting bummed for sticking myself with minimarines.

This guy is an idiot.
Don't listen to him.

Imperial guard are awful now, and just cheaper shitter Space Manlets.

Nope, exactly the same points.
They also somehow made cybork bodies even worse.
And there's no looted wagon in the index.
>orks will be good and fun in 8ed, r-right?

HAHAHAHA YES

Retcon is retconned

DEUS VAULT

The fucking Land Raider

I stopped playing a while ago. I still follow the fluff though, and this new big lore change interests me.

Around what date can I come here and get a scan of the new rulebook with all the new lore in it? Does someone normally do it on release or does it take a while to scan?

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My armies are Tsons, Astra Militarum and Tau.
Boy am I in for a long winter.

Infernus heavy bolter is 25 points, upped from 20. You gotta keep in mind though that heavy weapons got a huge buff this edition, so we no longer have to fire snapshots after moving but instead a meager -1 to hit. Also heavy flamers are awesome.

Heavy destroyers are the best AT Necrons get in 8th, point for point. That's the whole issue - they've got shit for high quality shooting. The next best thing costs 174 points and it's the Triarch stalker which is T6 and degrades. Necrons are actual trash now.

You got a pic of the scions index?

>For every 5 models in the unit one may have a Cybork Body

WHAT
THE
EVERLIVING
FUCK

They actually fucking did it.

Death to the False Emperor only affects Imperium models.

Marks no longer exist.

Holy fuck.

Tau is perfectly fine if you aren't a Riptard

Land raider sat on the board edge and traded shots with the hellblasters all game.

Was actually the rubrics got most work done.
Stood knee-deep in a crater and just killed everything that came at 'em.

All is Dust: Kind of very powerful now.

For now. Marines don't have chapter tactics either. This is all ground rules and we will get supplements later.

I ripped apart my scions to make vets.

Marks exist. They just don't do anything yet.

>Each battlefleet contains thousands of warriors
yay

and it still costs 5 points
for a fucking 6+ fnp
that the painboy negates
and 'eavy armour is gone.
just gone.
We now have 6+ and 2+, outside of bikes.
And meganobz, of course, have movement 4"

>Roll for each model in a unit up to maximum of 10 times
>Each 4+ is a mortal wound

Holy shit Blitz-bombers just became awesome

They also nerfed the shit out of Oblits, Mutilators, Possessed and Sorcerers.

Well Ghaz has a 4++. So that's one thing kinda off the list.

Flash gitz and lootas are also pretty good, I just have no comprehension of what possessed them to nerf some of the weakest units and choices in the game in other parts of the index.
I'm not buying an index. I've decided. I'm going to wait until they give us actual rules we can play our armies with, not ones for little timmy who stuck the pauldrons on backwards.

High power anti-tank was never a Necron strong point, and again you're also taking the worst unit out of the faction to make a case for it, do you remember any list that won tournaments that run Doomscythes, Apocalypse Barges or Heavy Destroyers? I don't, the closest thing i saw as dedicated AT was a Triarch Stalker to deal with AV14 spam but that's it. Those list were always heavy on the melee side and that's how Necrons deal with vehicles, you just charge them and wreck them with with Warschytes and Wraiths.

>4d6 shots
>Every hit is a mortal wound
>All units within 6" also take D3 mortal wounds on a 4+

I raise you the Deathstrike.

Can't view it on my phone because imgur is retarded, forces me to download the app then doesnt let me find the content.

Fuck imgur.

Can you use Primaris marines with Deathwatch?

Nobz have 4+ base. That's something I suppose.

>Flash Gitz are still 6+ save

WHY? Like, I just don't get it.

>>Veterans are Elites

at least orks and nids are cool right?

>Veterans are Elites
And its logical

Bummed that my Thousand Sons sorcerers got hard nerfed, no real spell variety, though happy that Rubrics seem to have become good. At least I didn't buy Magnus. Can't wait to play a few games though.

don't see why not.

keywords.
just make your primaris

>Magnus charges a Knight, with Prescience on. 8 attacks on charge, auto-hitting and generating 2.66 more thanks to Death to the False Emperor and Prescience. S16 vs T8, so wounding on 2s, for 9 wounds. Knight gets no saves due -4 AP. Knight takes 27 damage and dies.

If he doesn't auto-hit and has to reroll 1s, he could get even more attack from Death to the Emperor on average, to say nothing of Mortal Wounds he gets on top of all of this.

Deathwatch isn't really a chapter thats why I'm perplexed...

They do have strong shooting though, they're more accurate than Tau and they can theoretically shoot infinitely, with exploding shooting phases.
I'm fucking pissed about looted wagons though. GW does realise that in order to make a looted wagon I need to buy a vehicle kit and some ork kits, for the parts? They make MORE money by giving us looted wagons? No, of course not, just buy more 76 pt trukks.

Scan? please?

Not gonna lie, former Black Templar here. This is fucking hilarious watching Helbrecht crash and burn. But in all seriousness we can't let this guy get the Primaris Marines.

But if you bring both you got a sweet AT formation with the destroyers hitting on 3 and re rolling 1s

the sergeant can't take any special weapon, what it says is ranged weapon - this is the bolt pistol, bolter and plasma. They tell you what's what on the first page of the guard entry :D

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