Chaosfags are fucking jobbers

not him, but probably because Nids are mentioned in every Chaos thread and vice versa, and then the thread, whatever it was about, turns into a dick measuring contest about who is the greatest threat to the galaxy. An occasional Necron player will show up but is quickly silenced.

>Nobody jobs harder than chaos. Nobody. No wonder they constantly feel the need to talk shit about xenos
Not trying to start shit, just genuinely thought that they would be mentioned since Veeky Forums has a bone to pick with them.

mentioned sooner since*

Man that Chaos guy with the glaive is so fucked.

What exactly did he think would happen here? Why would you ever put yourself in that situation?

>has a bone to pick with them.
>Nids are mentioned in every Chaos thread and vice versa
that's just carnac being an insufferable faggots.

So does chaos, the difference being chaos has more plot armour and actual characters to sacrifice in the jobbing, case in point magnus getting hit by the worf effect right after the wulfen book.

>inb4 the swarmlord
He is a character in nothing but name.

0/10 post.

Chaos won every single great war with the Imperium. Every Black Crusade and even the HH. Chaos even crushed the Old Ones alongside the Necrons.

To answer your question is that the gods are taking their time. Maximising the amount of carnage and bloodshed before the final harvest. It should be noted that in the Warp there is no time. Meaning to the Chaos Gods in the Warp, they already won. They already witnessed their victory and living it. What's happening in the present within real space is just their victory playing out. The mortals haplessly flopping around not knowing what the future holds for them while the Chaos laugh at them from the future.

I mean for fuck sake, Be'lakor aka the Dark Master aka the Herald of the End Times have proclaimed the fate of the galaxy a while ago. Doom and doom for all. And Be'lakor's word in LAW in the warp. It's a judgement that can't be revoked.

As who is the greatest rival of the Chaos Gods? That would be Abaddon, not the Emperor. The Emperor is nothing to the Chaos Gods while Abaddon holds the key to everything. His fate decides everything.

>He is a character in nothing but name.

The dumbass. The Swarmlord is singular being. So from the posts we realise that this thread was started by a troll and is populated by butthurt nidfags.

I mean getting slapped down by Chaos doesn't make you guys take a hint?

Marines attack Primarch all the time in the HH series. They usually die in swathes, if they're just coming in waves at, say, Angron, but other times, they kinda manage to threaten them.

Gulliman was almost killed by an Alpha Legion kill team, like 6 of them.

But generaly yes, the red armoured guy is fucked He is probably a crazy mofo certain that the power of the Gods flows through him or whatever.

>>b-but they aren't trying to win!
>>b-but Muh compelling narrative
>>b-but abandons plan!
like fucking clockwork

>chaos works better as the lol so random force that acts contradictory for shit and giggles.

It's a random force but there is an intelligence driving it. A mind in the storm that mortals have no way of fathoming or understanding.

Be'lakor explains it in the End Times novels. So this raises a question why aren't you reading more about Be'lakor?

The only thing that restrained the Chaos Gods from plunging the galaxy into the warp is the Pylons built long ago by the ancients after some event shattered the walls of reality to an unsustainable degree. The Pylons are literally the only things holding up the galaxy from the Warp and they have checked the power of Chaos for 60 million years. As they got damage by time and the action of mortals and immortals, the power of Chaos grew in the galaxy and existence slide closer to oblivion.

Just have a look at what happened recently with the destruction of the Cadian Pylons. Now there are few of the Pylons left in the galaxy and they are fighting a losing battle. Forget about building more because the being who built them was shattered long ago by the same creatures who called him god.

>The Swarmlord is singular being.
And? every tyrant is, every no-name general is, that was not the point.

His character bears so little distinctive characteristics to the events that he may as well be another random super tyrant and it would change practically nothing.

>And Be'lakor's word in LAW in the warp. It's a judgement that can't be revoked.

sauce?

I said they already won. The Chaos Gods are viewing all of this from the future.

The Emperor himself said it, Chaos won for all time. Go home, dude.

Not like it matters what the Emperor says. Be'lakor word should be enough.

>one amongst this dark brotherhood is different to the rest

Chaos and order must both exist equally and in constant conflict.

If chaos was victorious, it then becomes the norm. Without opposition one side becomes the other.

Chaos requires opposition to exist at all, so they can never truly 'win' in the conventional sense.

Victory for them is maintaining the balance.

>The Emperor himself said it, Chaos won for all time.

again, sauce?

He is a not a different tyrant. It's the same being being reincarnated. The rest of your post makes no sense. You admit he is a singular being all the while trying to say he isn't.

Naaaw dude. The Swarmlord is the pinnacle of Tyranid bioengineering. A creature as old as the Hivemind itself.

And he gets beaten a squad of marines (twice in the same story).

Archaon's series.

>It's probably a daemonic weapon with a daemonic haft made of daemon trees from a daemon world. If you would try to break it it would daemon daemons.

ftfy.
Love, gee-dubs

Master of Mankind.

"Death of a dream" and up.

Except that they won in the fantasy world and since then have destroyed multiple realities and universes.

Picture related. This is a representation of Archaon annihilating a universe.

>Nobody can be distinct from his group of brothers and comrades

What are you? A communist?

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Friendly reminder that you are now arguing with Carnac who no matter what you say will now shit up this thread until it dies.

Nothing you say will convince him. He will twist every argument and piece of lore just so he can continue his relentless shit posting. If by chance he makes a mistake and misspeaks and you nail him to it, or you prove him wrong by following the rabbit hole to its end, the next time you argue with him he will act as if it never happened(SoS, Necrodermis).

Anytime you read
>AKA the first murder
>AKA the dark master
You know who you are responding too. Just dont bother as any reply is just one more (you) for the boards biggest autist.

Carnac is just a meme like how Necrodermis is not living metal.

>The rest of your post makes no sense.
I know you're autistic or something, so I'll try to explain this slowly to you in the simplest manner I know

>space marines come down, beat [random tyrant that was actually very powerful even for other tyrants], the swarm goes in disarray and they win
>space marins come down, beat [swarmlord], the swarm goes in disarray and they win
characters have distinctive characteristics and personalities that would make them react different from one another in relation to the events

while a random tactical marine may have a unique personality and a backstory that would make him both a singular and unique being to the next tactical marine, he's not really often considered a distinct character in a story because he acts not dissimilarly from the tactical marine next to him.
why do you not consider tyrants characters while you would want to consider the swarmlord as such if he follows the same role and acting sequence?
if not to try stirring shit?

>literally infinite numbers
only if they manage to pierce the veil and summon a daemon horde
loyalist marines outnumber chaos, loyalist giard outnumber professional chaos mortal warriors A LOT, PDF outnumber cultist rabble by a hilarious ammount
>consistently recruiting/corrupting from the imperium
entire chapters going rogue is extemely rare, IG regimentsare purpose-built to be flawed just in case they turn rogue, so those rarely last long enough to make a difference
>can wipe out entire systems if they feel like it
again, you need to win a or at least stall a ground war to make a rithual
>can casually wipe out whole fleets if they want
only on their own turf within warp-storms
>can appear anywhere if the gods will it
but gods rarely will - they're satisfied with the satus quo
>fully control the area that their biggest rival needs to travel and communicate
gods do it, marines and cultists don't
>can plague, slaughter, mutate or corrupt whole worlds and the population can do absolutely nothing about it
literally any faction can wipe out worlds if theyre only defended by garrison forces
>greatest rival is a psychic vegetable who hasn't done shit in 10k years
their greatest rival is a galaxy-spanning empire with nigh-limitles resources and manpower that have those limitless resources by default without relying on sacrifices or fickle whims of gods

>why do you not consider tyrants characters while you would want to consider the swarmlord as such if he follows the same role and acting sequence?

Because the Swarmlord is a character with a distinct origins and history that sets him apart from the rest of the mookish Hive Tyrant?

You trying to say here a tactical marine is at the same level of a NAMED and infamous SM captain. That's very disingenuous. A a t-marine death won't draw attention. An SM cap death is meant to draw a lot of attention. That's the purpose of your Swarmlord.

The purpose to be a measuring stick for the Tyranids and the other races who fight him. He is the pinnacle of the Tyranids and other characters in the setting use him to prove their superiority.

not him, but your argument is kinda shit. Look"

>space marines come down, beat [random evil race lord that was actually very powerful even for other tyrants], the enemy goes in disarray and they win

>space marins come down, beat [named evil race lord], the enemy goes in disarray and they win

the cliché of valiant heroes defeating a great evil threat by vanquishing the big bad guy is the reason here, not the characters in question.

>You trying to say here a tactical marine is at the same level of a NAMED and infamous SM captain.
Are you illiterate?
I compared tactical to tactical and super tyrant to super tyrant.

implying that the swarmlord is as much of a character as, say, a daemon primarch or a phoenix lord is way more disingenuous, it's a criminal disservice to those characters even.

the swarmlord is avatar/greater daemon-tier jobber; he doesn't get nearly as close to the special characters tier both in the ways he's presented or the attention it draws.

>not the characters in question.
then when does the character in question bring its characteristics to characterise the narrative then?

Abaddon does, when in the end, he is not defeated, but he abandonds his allies, his goals reached, or is not defeated, or some other shit.

Vect does, when the Imperial heroes end up simply eliminating one of his rivals.

Ahriman does, when he does just as planned things.

You catch my drift.

That being said, I agree with you that Swarmlord does nothing that other Tyrants don't do, except for being really old.

>pic related: abbaby unleashes his anime powers and grow in size enough to literally crush a planet with his bare hand*
>*wargear not included in the description

If that's Abaddon, then where the topknot?

it's the eye of terror itself

>chaos is stronger than the tyranids

Yeah no shit, and yet they've been around the entire 10k years the imperium has been around and still failed to conquer it. Tyranids have been around for what, 300 years?

This thread isn't about who is stronger, it's about who jobs harder. Tyranids almost conquering a first founding chapter world and demolishing their successor chapters and only being beat by a warp storm randomly showing up out of nowhere is not jobbing, that's falling victim to plot device.

Jobbing is having Guilliman and just about every other super important person in the imperium completely at your mercy, and then Imprisoning them fully armored And right next to all of their weapons and wargear. Instead of killing them right on he spot or trapping them in the warp, they just kept them in jail until they easily escaped. You can't make this shit up. Had they killed Cawl and Guilliman, that's game over for the imperium.

>Yeah no shit, and yet they've been around the entire 10k years the imperium has been around and still failed to conquer it. Tyranids have been around for what, 300 years?

The full might of Chaos was held by the Necron Pylons. As you can see with the state of the galaxy now, this is what happened when Chaos is (partially) unchained. Hundreds of thousands of worlds were lost in a period that can't be more than a few months. This trumps whatever the Tyranids did in those 300 years.

>that's falling victim to plot device.

Chaos is not a plot device. Chaos is Chaos.

Would you call the Necron Starflame obliterating a chunk of the Cryptus tendil a plot device? No.

>Would you call the Necron Starflame obliterating a chunk of the Cryptus tendil a plot device? No.
But it was literally a device used to move the plot.

>Chaos won every single great war with the Imperium. Every Black Crusade and even the HH.
you're this board's biggest meme

>MoM has the daemons giving no fucks about Horus's little war
>Shows that they and their gods care only for true war which was the Webway war
>Chaos won the Webway war and sent the Emperor fleeing
>The Emperor spends his time until siege sulking that Chaos won and that humanity is doomed

Thinking that the Imperium won anything is a meme. Also I hope you enjoy the HH's final fight rewrite where the Emperor would probably get bitchslapped all over the place and not because he was holding back duur!

Horus loses because the Gods need him to. Abaddon is the true Warmaster and the doom of the Imperium.

And of course there is that.

Don't forget they literally can't touch some grumpy old space egyptian robots who would utterly buttfuck Chaos if they could be arsed to get out of their spider-legged La-Z-Boys for ten seconds.

No, you see it was all achtually part of the secret keikaku

I'm not even a Chaosfag but
>can appear anywhere if the gods will it
sounds like a huge drawback to me and could explain why they haven't fucked everything up.

The Necrons dudes are being driven before the might of Chaos though. Their invasion of Imperial space is them reacting to Chaos pressing in their realms.

And the only way they can stop Chaos is build more pylons but they themselves screwed that up by blowing up the guy who built them to many many pieces. So unless they glue him back together, they are as fucked as everyone else.

Then just use something that is just as good at killing chaos marines - orks

No one will ever win because the lore for Warhammer 40k is just some flimsy bullshit that was made up as an excuse to set up cool minis on a table and roll dice at each other.

Shit is literally saturday morning cartoon tier, and getting into the lore and arguing about it would be like getting into the backstory of fucking G.I. Joe or something.
It's fine as a setting for a war game, but to think that it's anything more than that, or expecting the story to be super coherent or substantive, is just fucking retarded.

>shit's stupid yo

Argument of the year

>if I just act like it's not true, then it's not true
Argument of the year

It's true tho

the setting doesn't hold up without poorly hamfisted meta reasons

jesus fucking christ

It does. It's a heroic science fantasy setting. It is a sci fi fantasy heroic setting.

Discussing it is normal, fans of setting do that. Complaining about discussing it because it is unrealistic is like complaining that it is unrealistic.

People don't complain that it's unrealistic, they complain that it's poorly written and inconsistent.

For their tastes. Everybody knows 40k is bullshit, with it's flying cathedrals and swordfighting. They just not only don't care but like it exactly because of that.

>dissing wood furniture

40k with all its anachronisms and ridiculousness would be fine if it was internally consistent. The problem is that it too often breaks its own rules.

I don't use furniture as anti-armour weapons.

>Everybody knows 40k is bullshit, with it's flying cathedrals and swordfighting.
This.

>They just not only don't care but like it exactly because of that.
But ESPECIALLY this.

>Be'lakor explains it in the End Times novels. So this raises a question why aren't you reading more about Be'lakor?
Because it is shit ?

>chaos is chaos

Yeah but It's still shit writing. A massive tyranid fleet capable of BTFOing both the cryptus and Baal systems just get deleted casually by chaos? That doesn't tell me "lol tyranids are weak jobbers" that tells me chaos is so massively powerful that it can effortlessly wipe out hundreds of thousands if not millions of ships. imperial fleets and eldar craftworlds shouldn't even be a problem at all.

We also have the Imperial crusade getting hopelessly lost and then captured while trying to navigate the warp in GS III, but then those same imperials are able to perfectly navigate across the rift and show up at the exact right time above Baal even though it was just surrounded in tyranid eating warp storms.

40k has always been internally inconsistent, but it really annoys players when such inconsistencies are at the expense of their faction, especially when it seems so painfully obvious they're just trying to get rid of the xenos conflicts and focus all on Chadmarines vs Chaoscucks

How the fuck do you lose 600 defilers in 2 hours to the fucking tyranids? Just HOW?!?!
wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Forgefane

Imperials lost 100 baneblades to a scribe error or something so...

Yeah that's not the same as having 600 defilers destroyed in battle by fucking tyranids. 600 defilers should wipe the floor with anything, not even a full chapter of marines could put that down. what do tyranids even have in their arsenal capable of ripping apart daemon engines that fast?

This whole thing is even more embarrassing considering it took place on a world said to be as fortified as perturabos own and the planet only held for a week

I'm getting tired of those e-peen comparisons in 40k.

You disappoint me, OP. I hope that at least you're enjoying your anger.

"jobbing" is a slang term to mean "not taking powers or a situation as seriously as would be reasonable for no purpose other than to create false tension in the plot."
So for instance, characters like The Flash and Superman are powerful enough that they should be able to end any fight against anyone less than top tier opponents in a matter of seconds. Almost all bad guys, other than the most powerful ones, can be defeated either by lasers shot directly into their eyes, or a punch at the speed of light, or instant crippling from cold breath or speed stealing.
By all logic, people like the Flash and Superman would use these tactics most of the time, because it would save them time and reduce the odds of some unforeseen factor causing them to lose. Unlike some fictional characters who have to draw on energy or magic or ammo, Superman and the Flash should have nearly limitless ability to constantly use these powers.
And yet in a lot of depicted situations, they don't do these things. They start with "basic" tactics like talking, normal speed fighting, grandstanding, etc. Then sometimes when basic tactics don't work, they start using more power. Even then, they don't typically resort to their "best moves" or when they do, it's already too late.

If these characters were real, this would never happen. They would value their time, lives, and the time and lives of others enough that they would show up, zap the problem instantly, and get back to whatever it was they were doing before. But it wouldn't be interesting to watch a hero do this. So they instead choose actions that are convenient to narrative tension, convenient to us, the audience, doing their "jobs" of portraying an interesting story.
Lower power heroes don't "job" as much because they don't have some instant-win power that would almost always work. Spiderman can run out of webbing. Cyclops can get hit hard enough to be injured or die. Captain America is limited to damaging foes at relatively close range with blunt force. So even when these characters go "all out" they can still easily lose.
You could consider "One Punch Man" to be the opposite of a jobber. Saitama has the power to defeat anyone in a single punch, and that's what he does. He shows up, the bad guy talks a lot, then he uppercuts them into meat and paste. Superman or the Flash could do something like this, but they usually don't, demonstrating their loyalty to the audience over themselves or other characters.

>Chaos is not a jobber. They just aren't actually able to do the kind of things that chaosfags like to pretend they do.

>a chapter of SM
>anywhere near the same level as a Hive Fleet

>when basic tactics don't work, they start using more power.
The superman comics have even sort of addressed this. Superman acknowledges at one point that he could easily rip lex luthor's arms off, but believes in a very radical form of equivalent response, never moving faster or punching harder than his opponent has already demonstrated they are capable of handling. (This is know among fans as "the world of cardboard" speech).
The way I remember it, the villain who gets the speech calls superman crazy for doing this, right before getting uppercut into the moon.

Really depends on the author and Chapter in question. Sometimes, Brother Thundercockus from the Chadstartes chapter rips the Swarmlord several new assholes, while at other times the Blood Angels and all their successors are not enough to hold against a hive fleet.

>The Necrons dudes are being driven before the might of Chaos though. Their invasion of Imperial space is them reacting to Chaos pressing in their realms.
Nah, it's just Senior Night at the Terra Tots Diner. The Crons don't even know the sundered imperium thing is happening.

>one of the most well defended fortresses
>you can dig under it
>it doesn't have internal defence lines

embarrassing

>can dig under it
Yeah but you could say the same about any fortress in 40k. No major races other than the tyranids have the capability for the large scale subterranean assault seen at forgefane.

>no internal defense lines
They probably did have these, it just didn't matter because the tyranids could dig under them and the iron warriors weren't expecting their well planned defenses to be circumvented so quickly

What can't be explained is the loss of 600 defilers in 2 hours in a single battle

>Chaos is not a jobber. They just aren't actually able to do the kind of things that chaosfags like to pretend they do.

They literally captured guillimans whole crusade with ease and could have ended the imperium right there, but chose to imprison everyone instead. I don't think there is a single greater instance of jobbing in the history of the setting

>Chaos isn't just the cluster fuck caused by miserable sentients following the war in heaven
>chaos is actually infinite and the warp was always a fucked up daemon rape house
>gods exist across infinite realities
So chaos wins in the end, It will always win.

Rippers

Hordes upon hordes upon hordes of rippers.
Same effect as necron scarabs. You just drown your enemy in Nom until they aren't there anymore.

>Implying Jobbers aren't the most important part of a story

>600 defilers got BTFO by rippers

HAHAHAHAHA

chaos is the worst written, edgy-wish-fulfillment villain in fiction.

Orks are a vastly more interesting antagonist than any facette of chaos. That's why scenarios like the second war for Armageddon are vastly more exciting than anything involving Chaos.

Some times its decent like Gathering Storm III
Other times its retarded like Guilliman and Chaos cockblocking Leviathan from gobbling on Baal

why hasnt someone shooped a

"X"
"get my rock"

pic yet for this joker?

Again, it wasn't Be'lakor for a lot of reasons namely physical things cannot harm Be'lakor. Also he is so powerful he tank weapons designed to kill gods.

We all read the Beast Wars novels. The Orks weren't very interesting in it. The Imperial fuckups and politics and the looming threat of Chaos made the novel somewhat interesting.

Also the Armageddon novels are boring as hell. The only interesting about Armegeddon is the first war with Angron and the clean up aftermath.

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Look at those muscles. You cannot touch this.

aarondembskibowden.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/lets-talk-about-abaddon/

Source, and a dramatic reading

youtube.com/watch?v=zJ9mDo3Ywrw

Well my holier than thou emperor on Terra, it's not like the xenos have been such a tremendous source of compelling narrative. What's got your Eldar in an Eye of Terror?

>expending effort on canarc's tomfoolery
he already gets set off by the mere mention of rocks falling, no need to go farther

Chaos is (evil) Mary Sue incarnate and its fanboys never tend to be that great.