To the guy I was discussing about the new sm vehicle with: I was wrong, you were right. It's indeed a grav-tank...

> All those missiles
We tau now

im counting at least 5 barrels and 3 missile pods

also why do the missile pods look so awful

and what is with that minigun!

That's why I expected to see lasguns and plasmas etc. on that thing, not an assault cannon.

All the new primaris vehicles/dreads look very ADmech stole-tau-tech

but the amount of required recoil compensation should be kinda predictable and easy to offset with precise timing, given sufficiently advanced technology

>why do the missile pods look so awful
they look glued on. that said, i don't mind the crammed turret. it is meant to indicate a tank stuffed with high-tech.

an assault cannon will not be able to shake the tank's mass noticably. an autocannon or a demolisher would be a whole different boat though.

Mother fucker, where are the Terminators. I have a set of every Terminator Armor pattern. I need my Terminators.

as a follow-up, if they had painting that missile ports in ultramarine blue too, it would have looked less awkward. big mistake

Calm your tits, the new Termies have W2, can fire 4 Bolter shots at 12'' each, can take 6 shot Assault Cannons, can reliably drop within 9'' of the enemy and have an emergency teleport escape option. You should be good.

As a lore fag, first I was totally in favour of the changes going on in 40k. Then nuMarines came, and I felt the beginnings of doubt. This tank has pushed me over the edge.

40k is darkness and hopelessness, savagery and barbarism masquerading as nobility. Lost orphans wandering a destroyed civilization, inheritors of ruin and ash, ignorant of how far they have fallen and actively falling further. This noblebright stuff... New tech, new competence, new hope, focused on singular heroes capable of changing the galaxy for the better... It's antithetical to what I love about 40k. It's too much. I can't wait for Guilliman to die for good in two years.

/small_minded_rant

The same way eldar,necrons and tau did all this time.

>shitting on the lore: the comment
The Imperium is supposed to be relatively low tech compared to the other twos.

I'm with you. The destruction of Cadia, the Great Rift, every world besieged by foes, thousands of planets falling silent, that was good. That was plot progress im character of 40k.

Then we have this shit. A champion of liggt returns with superwarriors to combat evil. Fucking ad&d bullshit.

Can't wait for Abaddon to shatter the Emperors Sword with the Talon of Horus and pierce Gulliman's gut with Drah'nyen, while Baal succumbs to Daemonic and Tyranid hordes.

Not really, they are low tech compared to the crons but every race is, the eldar we have right now are the hippie-eldar that barely had tech by the old eldar/DE standards and the imperium had gravity tanks back in 30k.

Stolen Tau tech!

Wouldn't a weapon that has a fair chance of exploding in the face of its user be a bad idea literally anywhere?

It's 40k. Logic doesn't matter.

>have an emergency teleport escape option
This pleases me greatly. Do we know how far you can coward teleport?

I think it looks cool. But if the missile pods are guns it would be strange.

I think those ones by the doors are frag assault launchers and the ones on the turret are flares/smoke which explanes why its tacked on.

I am not sure what the red tipped ones could be.

But still I'm happy we get non-30k grav tanks now.

>Brother Techus, we have these boxes of missiles but we have no launchers for them!
>What if we used the boxes as the launchers?
>Techus, you're a madman!
They couldn't have done a Bradley-style launcher?

Hope, progress, ambition... sounds very Tzeentchian

>Just as planned

I'm with you m8. Fluff has went to shit, Primaris are shit. As I've said before Gathering Storm was 40k's End Times; the universe just wasn't physically destroyed.

At least with this tank design it confirms normal space marines are going absolutely nowhere. No fucking chance in hell any standard iconic marine vehicle designs will get squatted now.

Calm down people.

You havent even seen the different weapon loadouts yet.

>while Baal succumbs to Daemonic and Tyranid hordes
Umm sorry to tell you but Baal is ok, guilliman showed up and saved up with primaris marines. Killed all the tyranids on the planet. Meanwhile Kabandha or whatever he is called (bloodthirster) kills the rest of the hive fleet and then just leaves

Where have you been in the past week? The rules for pretty much everything has been leaked.
drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B4IGo22sDo4zdEtrRmEyelg2TkU

...

The Imperium did finally get stabilized Plasma guns. They can choose to fire their old basic statline or an even more powerful shot like Tau Ion Rifles. However, Gets Hot! is much more dangerous, as it's no longer a wound that can be taken on saves, but a straight removal of the model as a casualty, regardless of how many wounds it has.

Why else do you think 7e endcapped on a big Tzeentch release?

Why would lasers have recoil?

not quite true. The wording is different on kharn's pistol. it makes him take a mortal wound.

I suppose they still have to accommodate for special characters that carry Plasma weapons. It would be kind of shitty if Kharn was removed from play for misfiring his own pistol.

Light actually has momentum, so if you project shit loads or shitloads collide with you, it will have an absolutely negligeable in this case effect.

Then again, it would be a compromise... plasma for the blood god?

Pretty sure if it flows through something's veins and you can spill it with violence, the Blood God is content.

40k isn't a particularly deep setting, and Khorne is never really fleshed out in his blood-lore. If it was, we'd probably get some dope Bloodborne-type shit according to his followers and his forbidden arts.

Here, for the sake of spoonfeeding.
you place a teleport homer in your DZ and instead of moving, can place all your models from the unit within 6" of it. If an enemy get's within 9" of it, it's deactivated.

It would be a bad idea if not for the thing your fighting is wearing seven tanks worth of armor and is caring a axe the size of bear.

Primaris Marines have updated weaponry.
The Primaris Dreadnought has the same upgraded assault cannon.

Jesus grav rhinos.
The future is NOW motherfuckers

>Twin hull lascannon (could be swappable with heavy bolters?)
>Turret lascannon
>Coaxial heavy stubber? Unusual choice for a SM vehicle
>Pintle mini-Punisher, might be similar to the Taurox Punisher only with half the number of shots
>Side mounted missiles, perhaps some kind of area denial weapon for discouraging assaults?

Not really. They have better tech than all but the elves and tomb kings, most of that tech just doesn't filter down to the tactical level unless you're a space marine.

There is no standard for characters only taking mortal wounds from plasma though, sammael's plasma cannon straight kills him if it overheats still.

Is this that Terminus Ultra thing I saw in the army list as a Lord of War? Some ungodly tank thing with lascannons everywhere? I'd been out of the game for a while, so I had no idea if it existed yet

Terminus Ultra is just a land raider with lascannons all over it. This is something new.

>Space Marine rotary guns look like pic related.

o rly

>I'd been out of the game for a while

Like 10+ years?

I wonder if people would be cool with using the Cerberus as a Terminus Ultra. Use the 3 lasers on the nose as the 3 twin lascannons and the sponson lascannons as the single lascannons.

Jesus. Is that real?
GW really should hire new designers.
Their latest models have been hideous.

This is worse. It's not that I necessarily think the idea of the weapon design looks bad, I just think it still doesn't fit with the rest of the setting, let alone the faction.

I like everything but the turret, it feels slapped on and there's just too much going on there.

Rotary guns =/= Assault Cannons

>He hasn't seen the new plague marines

This. The cobtemptor and leviathan fall much more in line with the primaris marine aesthetic with their rounded and angular lines. They both have adequate legs too.

Really wish they made the contemptor the new standard dread and the primaris the new standard marines (rules and all) rather than calling them something new and making them a different unit entirely.

The redemptor dread looks god awful.

they are making primaris so fucking dumb and retarded ,dat fucking grav rhino,dat chad dread,
they could do it better.

Is this only for chad marines or can manlet marines also ride in that?

What's this bullshit? A rhino raped a landspeeder (or other way around? Iunno)?

Pure bullshit, imperial vehicles should be oldschool, primitive and reliably rugged.

>he actually made a thread about our discussion

T-thanks.

I've seen them.
I don't like them, but I guess they work in the context of the nuGW cartoony approach that AoS pioneered.

But that model is all over the place. It takes design elements from the primaris guys and the old school cybot and just copy pastes them together instead of incorporating or even commiting to the design language of one or the other.

It looks like a halfassed kitbash at best.

The new plague marines really show what someone that is engaged with the army can do compared to someone given an army to model as a job. It's clear at times that the modeller really just took design cues from his own conversions and covered details that others would not consider.

The orkanauts are definitely an example of a model created by someone that wasn't fully into modelling orks.

Rumor is 7 primaris only.

So like a primaris razorback

The naughts look fine to me. Big stompy metal abominations.

Nah, I agree with The Orkanauts look orkish for sure but too clean looking. The stompas and trukks really give the orks that cobbled together but lethal feel in my opinion.

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someone here has maybe leaked rules

S7 T8 W13 Sv3+
Turret - Heavy Lascannon, Heavy Stubber
*Resolve shots with Heavy Stubber first, if the Heavy Lascannon targets a unit hit by the Stubber, it may reroll misses

Hull-mounted Twin Lascannon, swivels up/down and left/right

Rotor cannon is a pintle mounted upgrade

Missiles: Roll a D6 at the start of each fight phase for each enemy unit within 1", on a 4+ it takes D3 mortal wounds (slightly better Frag Assault Launchers)

Transport Capacity 7, can only transport Primaris Marines

Decays its Movement/BS/Attacks as it loses wounds
Movement 10" BS 3+ Attacks 3 base

From Nafka so take with copious grains of salt

Custodes best be getting hover stuff....

They're nice clean boxes with some ork stuff on them, it's like the sculptor played an ork dress up game. The big rotary gun as well, while a really nice idea has quite a poor execution with it being completely perfect. Comparing it to forgeworld's kill blasta gigashoota array which really looks like a bodge-job where the meks stuffed as many shootas of all sizes into the gap where the guns go, the gorkanauts looks really weak.

>Heavy Stubber
>*Resolve shots with Heavy Stubber first, if the Heavy Lascannon targets a unit hit by the Stubber, it may reroll misses

Heavy stubber on a Marine Vehicle sounds very odd, when it's considered pleb tier even in Guard. And using it as a targeting thing for a laser cannon is GW tier logic. I know such things exist in real life, where you have, say, a gun attached to a rocket launcher with the bullet having the same ballistic trajectory as the rocket, and you fire a few tracer rounds at the target until you got it zeroed in, then fire the rocket. But a machine gun and a laser do not have the same ballistic trajectory.

Yeah. It'd make more sense to have it be a multilaser or something

This looks like the first realistic warhammer vehicle.

I'm impressed GW, you made a flying Bradley.

:)

>This looks like the first realistic warhammer vehicle.
if you put wheels on a chimera it looks like a real IFV.

Only thing I can think of is tracer rounds are a common thing, stubb rounds are probably pretty cheap, and it's a independent ammo source that's not pulling off the same generator as pretty much everything else on the vehicle
...but then
>trajectory
...I got nothing for that one

>I just think it still doesn't fit with the rest of the setting

How? It's almost the exact same thing as an assault cannon.

It was a mechanic that was seen on FW Armored Battlegroup Vanquishers, which, of course, Marines now get before Guard in 8th desu.

In-game the Heavy Stubber is so inconsequential it might as well be a Tau markerlight in that "this weapon can hit a unit to provide the bonus but cannot cause wounds." At least then it would make sense.

I know the rules have existed in 40k, but those are not direct energy weapons. A lasgun would make more sense. Having targeting devices that don't need a visual tracer thing on Space Marine+ vehicle would make even more sense.

Logistically a bolt rifle would make more sense, because that ammo your standard infantry is already using and you don't have to worry about logistics.

Hell, maybe it is a stripped down bolt rifle?

as far as i understand it, being in melee combat does not prevent this?

Well...

forgeworld though, which used to be uncommon

move is relevant here

> such things exist in real life, where you have, say, a gun attached to a rocket launcher

What the fuck is that,it sounds very very stupid.

Also the idea was clearly barrowed by russian tanks in ww2.
Russian optics were so horribly bad that russian tankers had to shoot a few rounds with the machine gun to determine the distance to the target before trying to hit the target with the main cannon.

The idea that you dont have rangefinders in a vehicle in 40000 years in future is just bad writing.

I know it's been discussed to death, but that design is so fucking retarded.

that's an ork vehicle masquerding as a space marine one. look at all those goddamn missiles.
why does the turret have only a single lascanon but the body have a twin linked?
why is the co axial gun so far away from the main turret weapon?

That's why you use an assault cannon. Some of them will hit.

It was never forgeworld man, it's a unit from chapter approved - which they just announced in the same repulsor article that they're bringing back.

I'd replace the turret. Maybe use a Razorback turret with lascannon barrels from the Admech walker.

Bullshit that FW doesn't make generic Aquila doors for Land Raiders (and the GW command land raider set with its doors is nowhere to be found). Wonder how Raptors doors would look on it... Maybe I can even fit the front door on top of the glacis?

>The idea that you dont have rangefinders in a vehicle in 40000 years in future is just bad writing.
You realize this is 40k right?

I like it, only new thing I really dislike is the drop marines and the gravis armour is meh. Rest has been fantastic.

I actually quite like it.

Terminus Ultra was GW made for 4e Apocalypse. It's just a regular LR kit with the Predator sponsons and Razorback turret sprues thrown in.

>What the fuck is that,it sounds very very stupid.

Educate yourself: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotting_rifle

Even a Leman Russ has a range finder.

Also trajectory based rangefinder on a weapon that as we assume has no trajectory...why would you need a range finder for that? Your not having to arc your shell at all since it's not a shell

What in the actual fuck is this?