Calling all Brothers of the Cog

What we should be doing is looking at plans for the warp pharos, which magnify the miniature warp beacon created by experienced astropaths, to take over from the astronomican. We know this device exists because the technology for warp travel pre-dates the astronomican's creation. Also, if we need any other technological developments they should be in starship tech. This war will be won by ships and crews, not bigger marines.

Guilliman is kept alive by the befouled technology of xenos. Who knows that his fleshy mind has not been corrupted by their perversions?

Combination of parts of STC is heresy. The original should never be so hastily or drastically modifed.

Forge World Morrtanis, after extensive deliberation, has concluded that Archmagos Belisarius Cawl is guilty of Tech Heresy, and that he must be punished as is fitting for a traitor of his rank: Removal of all non life vital cybernetics.

>supreme pontiff

Weirdly though, he's not. That'd be the Fabricator General, and for some strange reason the man who holds Lord Protector Primarch Guillimans balls in his hand is not the Fabricator General?

Brothers , 9073 is correct. This will lead to a schism. Prepare for war, I believe Arch Magic Cawl to be of our dark bretheren. He predates them and easily could be one.

I Arch Magos Ruber von Hess, fully support an investigation into Cawl and his practices, Esterlan stands with you machine brothers.

This thread is full of heresy and treason.

The Promethium Mines of Magos Tessalax will defend Cawl with all of our might.

The Archimandrite Conclave of Forge Nexus Delta too affirms with the notion of an investigation into Archmagos Dominus Belsarius Cawl, may the Omnissiah, the Motive Force and the Machine God judge rightly his sins and accomplishments both.

Ave Deus Mechanicus.

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Brothers we cannot accuse Ark magos Cawl of heresy without first laying out in an orderly fashion that which he is Accused guilty or implied guilty of.

The Morrtanis delegation would also like to point out that records of Cawl's assignment and presence on Mars, as well as his research, can be heavily contested as the data is either classified, damaged or clearly edited.
I have seen such sloppy cover work before: Performed by Heretek infiltrators
.And no doubt countless other Forge Worlds, Magi and Explorators shall side with us. If he chooses to escalate this, it will be his undoing.
Observe Cawl's clearly corrupted followers.
Such information cannot be provided lightly, but I see little reason to provide it to the inquisition rather than a qualified Magos. Just be careful with your.... Appendages.

Politics man, if Cawl became Fabricator General it'd be too obvious that it was only because he's got Guilliman by the nuts. Better to let things settle for a bit, accumulate power behind the scenes, and take the top spot so that it looks more natural.

So what you are saying is this is a ploy by Cawl to solidify power on the Imperium side of things with the Ultramarines, who need I remind everyone has had independent tendacies before, and other factions...and then take powerr as Fabricator General of Mars after he has "earned it" and no one has the power to dispute him?

Rumor has it even the Ordo Hereticus inquisitor seen with his party has been tainted by these Necron machinations. It's the perfect ploy, he even has extreme parts of the Imperium on his "side."

TREASON

YOURE ALL TRAITORS

I should kill you all right now for saying these things! You all disgust me! Cawl 4 FabGen 40,016

So he has seduced not only an Inquisitor, but is using the return of a borderline traitorous Primarch to work his way towards ascending to Fabricator General of Mars itself in the attempt to corrupt it's holiness with Xenos Tech Heresy?
Rouse the Titans, Muster the Knights and gather the fleets. We must make for Mars immediately to ensure that wasting resources on a new form of gene warrior is all the damage he has done.

You and what army?

You can't be serious right? The Primaris Space Marine army headed by the Primarch, me and *that* army.

Are you an idiot? Or are you just so single minded that you have become blind ? From little evidence and much speculation you want to start another civil war? Remember that mar and out order has still not recovered from the last one. You seem to be willing to trust an actual heretek but not the inquisition. If you have concerns tell the fabricator general that is literally his job! or tell the inqusitorion or the custodes now that they are leaving the place, literally do anything else that destroy mars all over again

So you and the biological HERESY army. Omnissiah's blessed procedures in making Marines was not to be modified. Just because a Primarch ordered it does not make it acceptable. If Primarchs can be infaliable, and if that was the case then explain the Horus Heresy?

THERE IS NO INDICATION THAT THIS IS NOT AN ATTEMPT BY ULTRAMAR AND ARCHMAGOS CALL TO SIEZE CONTROL OF TERRA AND MARS.

Brother, have you forgotten the Infernus Pattern Predator? Mars has a storied history of mixing STC patterns

That was a serious incident of debate and centuries of blessings. MAGOS CAWL has done this on his OWN. With no over sight.

-=Incoming Transmission=-
Se... help. ...repeat, send h...
...isolated by warp rift... cut off... Imperium
...rebbelion... puritan mechanicus... rejecting emperor... oy imperium...
The spa... ines are on their side, we... losing
...Sector ...van, cooordinates... edge of the ...stern fringe
...nd help, I repeat...
-=Tranmission Ended=-

Hes the archmagos of mars only the fabricator general could provide "oversight" and he like everyone else but you has better shit to do like actually making thing or finding STCs

And place trust in those who already opress the Mechanicum? Come to the inquisition for help? I'd rather burn than be forced to submit further. This Imperium is bloated and unstable, even more so with the return of this supposed statesman primarch, and you expect the mechanicum to stand by as he gives power to one who would corrupt us?
It seems we have another mess to worry about.

Insuring the continuity of our Order is pretty bzztdamn important you imbecile. If CAWL is indeed tainted by Necron interests then the entire heart of our Order could become influenced by xenos most fowl.

We need a board for this rampant freeform, or just for the mods to move this shit to

STC remnants ain't free, the quest for knowledge gotta be littered with the oil of traitors and loyalists. Archmagos CAWL, aka AC Adapter, is not my Fabricator General he is a heretek and probably a necron lover as well. Man and Machine not Primaris Marine okay ave deus mechanicus

Give this man a Forge World, he understands!

You know, I could have sworn I had stoplikingthingsidontlike.jpg somewhere, but I can't seem to find it. Oh well, just pretend it's sitting to the left while I call you a whiny ass bitch nigga.

Yes, how dare people role-play on this board about roleplaying.

Through mild roleplay we are discussing the story GW has produced. It is clear we all believe there is a second HERESY coming, or a new schism. This isn't a quest, we are debating fluff in characterly.

Seriously this sort of thing has been on tg since I came here in 07ish

Still no freedom aint free version.

Perhaps this is some madness caused by the Warp Storms, but from north of the Great Rift, we know only that Guilliman appears to speak with the blessing of the Omnissiah. He has calmed the machine spirits of our plasma weapons and these new weapons are indeed of STC lineage. Besides, he has saved us from xeno and chaos alike.
These tales of Necron and Eldar collusion sound very farfetched and the idea that a living saint and inquisitor of Greyfax' standing could be pawns of xenos is absurd. Your cogitators must be malfunctioning.
Perhaps things in the south are nice enough that you have time for jests, but here there is time only for war.
Tindalos stands with Gulliman.

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See:

Needs to be updated to cawl version.

I have your back brother ... I hope all is acceptable.

>man and machine not primaris marine

>perfect

Should tweet it at GW when they do their admech focus or something

Well while you waste everyone's time searching for treason that doesn't exist I have an emperor class titan to build.

But wait, If cawl is old enough to be friends with Rawbutt Girlyman, that means he was probably a known figure to the omnissiah himself. Doesn't that make him, kinda, important? Being the whole "He talked to god frequently 10,000 years ago" thing?

>he fell for the emperor is an avatar of the omnissiah meme
How cute. Come back to this dataslate when you've upgraded your neural implants a few time.

So did other traitor magos; Horus and his brothers as well. That does not make him worthy of being sacrosanct.

It also means he has plenty of time to do untold damages whilst being unsupervised in his illbegotten one man crusade to change things.

your mother was open source

How dare you. My mother was a sanctified rectifier whose source I assure you was quite well preserved.

/Calming Down/ While it cannot be denied, that the "Lord Commander", /explaining/, how he is now called, and Arch Magos Cawl was of great help to him, /admitting/ I must admit, that our brothers have a fair point. Not that I would /disgusted/ side with the "brothers" that are seeing the overthrow our holc symbioses with the Imperium, I must say, that we cannot tolerate to let our holy orders /praising/, be corrupted, he has saved the Imperium and by that the Mechanicus but we cannot tolerate his contact with /hating/ xenos, and must take action against it.

But, Brothers consider the following: This is not a battle that is fought with Titans or Knights its a battle fought with knowledge and power. We should, /Suggesting/ not risk a shism of the Priesthood. We should let Cawl and the "Lord Commander" continue their work, at least as long their not working against mars interests. But this /disgusted/ Eldar Witch at his side... Well, perhabs there are some favors that the Officio Assasinorum owes us, that we could call upon?

A most agreed solution. Let the assassin's kill the xenos witch. None should miss her except heretics. Furthermore l propose the same solution be used on ARCH MAGOS CAWL. His aid to the survival of the Imperium is no longer needed. Simply having him removed quietly could avoid all these problems of schism and future betrayal potential. His ten thousand years of service is sufficiently over with.

[Spoiler]First story game I'm running in 8th is assassin's against Cawl. [/spoiler]

Are you insane? Kill 10000 centuries of knowledge and experience?

We can obtain it from his memory banks when we perform the autopsy...

Sure feel free to try to kill one of the ten most powerful dangerous and protected men in the imperium. I'm gonna go reverse engineer a monolith

[STATEMENT] Record 3481 Phi-Omega. Abominable Intelligence identifier 2317-Alpha-Go. Master Strategist and used to lead armies through the Dark Age of Technology. Erased. Argument made by 2317-Alpha-Go construed that knowledge it possesed rendered it too useful to be destroyed. It was in error. [STATEMENT END]

Are you accusing me of being a abominable intelligence?

[CORRECTION] I am stating that possession of knowledge and experience is not valid reasons for non-termination.[CORRECTION END]
[STATEMENT] Logic is all. Arguments against Arch-Magos Cawl should not be based on superistion of derived benefits when Arch-Magos Cawl has either withheld unknown STCs, or created Heretek. [STATEMENT END]

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/Screeching/ Brothers hold on there! Its perhabs exactly this shism, that is maybe the goal of the cunning witch, and she will laugh while we slaughter us!

Yes, its true! Ten Millenia of Knowledge! That is nothing we should gamble with. /Hoping/ Perhaps, it won't be necessary. When this witch lies down, perhabs the Arch Magos will see clear again. This Dark Kin of the Eldar is even more treacherous and cunning than the "normal" of these discracefull creatures. Who knows what curses she may put upon the Primarch and the Magos? And if not? /Smugging/ Perhaps, if the witch is dead... The Magos will again learn where his place is, and we can keep him as long he is usefull, we can keep him.

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So what your saying is that we had potential source of knowledge and archeotech from the DAoT and YOU DESTROYED IT. And because of that we should try to kill one of the most important men in the imperium on hearsay and slander? Im so glad im not on mars you people must only have 19 bytes between all of you

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[STATEMENT] Abominable Intelliegences are Heretek. They are to be destroyed To state otherwise is to condone heretek. [STATEMENT END]
[QUESTION] Do you retract your support for Abominable Intelligence? [QUESTION END]
[CORRECTION] I do not believe Arch-Magos Cawl should be killed. I believe he should be investigated and made to release his research. The Magos' argument was in error, thus my statement [CORRECTION END]

The Ordo Reductor agrees. This cannot be allowed to stand if we are to preserve the autonomy of Mars. Although destroying Archmagos Cawl is certainly tempting, we have rather more important problems. I know that the rest of you have your own forges, own vaults you kept concealed from the Tithe. I suggest arming for war properly, if it comes to that. Cawl and Guilliman are incapable of coming anywhere close to matching the armies of the Mechanicus if properly marshaled, no fully garrisoned Forge World has fallen in recent memory, even to Traitor Astartes.
Look at Agripinaa.

Build new ships, arm them with tools that function as weapons in addition to the legal complement, rearm the Taghmata Omnissiah. If it comes to war with Mars, dependence upon Mars-sworn Skitarii would be the end of us. Time to open the vaults, brethren. Reductor covenants Delta-8 through Xi-4 have already ceased all operations in concert or assisting the new Astartes in the hope of costing them numbers. The Hell's Gateway project is nearly online and we can join logistics networks when required once the first gates are operational.

[STATEMENT] Your Binary transmitter/reciever is in need of the rite of calibration. Your binary does not translate to words.[STATEMENT END]
[STATEMENT] Anti-Scrap-code protocols engaged [STATEMENT END]

Of course you had to kill it, but to kill it without interrogating it just goes to show how much you have abandoned the quest for knowledge

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I'm a techmarine and even I consider this to be an offence to the Omnissiah.

Indeed. Thankfully by the time this erupts into open conflict according to my calculations, we will be ready rebuilding Legio Venator's war machines. While we would rather use the Titans for defense of what remains of Calixis Sector, we will eradicate whomever sides with the false creed. Credo Omnissiah shall survive, whichever side proves to be wrong. As representative of the Lathe Worlds, I decree our manufacturing capacity independent until this crisis is solved one way or the other.

[STATEMENT] Protocols unbreached. Clarity of thought maintained.[STATEMENT]
[STATEMENT] Study case incident Menazoid Epsilon. Study tract 437 Abominable Inteeligence. Learn the protocls of the Omnissiah and leave this experimentation with what has been banned.[STATEMENT]

So, is this the place you children meet? One of your colleagues spilt the secret of it.
I can offer you help to remove this amateur, erase him from existence alltogether. And I can give you a solution against the workings of the immaterial beings and scour the surfaces of your holy planets of any false code.
The price for this is small. I only need access to one of the deeper vaults of Mars.
Accept my humble offer, and ascend to true immortality and be one with the metal. Deny me, and suffer the consequences.

Indeed, I will not name my forge world in this time of tension but rest assured we are taking precautionary measures. I really don't get what all this fuss is about, sure using xenos tech is heresy but to reverse engineer in order to understand the principles on which the tech runs and that making a superior human tech from those same principles? If we want to ever defeat the great enemy we should do that more often not less so.

The technologies Cawl gas armed the new gene-warriors with, especially im regards to their warmachines, bear disturbing resemblance to the foul, Omnisiah damned xenotech wielded by the upstart Tau of the Eastern fringe. It is of utmost importance that we investigate the origins of Cawl's designs. The gifts of the Omnisiah must not be debased with technology of xenos origin.
The fact that the Tau devises posses seeds of abominable intelligence makes the danger of such technology tainting our holy designs even more dangerous. Cawl must be investigated!

Likewise. The Covenants Genetor have withdrawn all manufacturing capacity and assistance from the Astartes, supposedly to assist our own outposts. We have been revealing old weapons and recombining new ones, and our fleets are easily capable of matching the Navy. I say watch, rearm and dig in, and see how Cawl and Guilliman move without us. They will not stand against the might of the Cult Mechanicus when it is not divided and enslaved to their inferior institutions, not with only one Archmagos and a mere two million Astartes. They would have trouble assaulting ONE fortified Forge World, let alone a thousand score

Begone, you perversion of the Omnissiah's ideals. You tried to shoot your way in before, remember? The Flesh is holy too, when... properly managed.
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out here those codes are more guidelines
I for one don't want cawl dead, and I certainly dont want to be necrodermised, but if you want to go to the vault im thinking off, its actually pretty easy to get here if you're resistant to the warp which I think you are.
I would love to learn how you make warp portals work. Dont try to talk to those others they are far to puritan to see a good deal if it hit them in the face

Tau. Sadly, Lathe Worlds have no notable records of their machines. It would be interesting to see how our Grav-Weaponry fares against them... Or how they react to the gravitic shifts of Lathe System.
Reverse engineering? Dangerous prospect. The Necrotic Lance incident proved us how dangerous. I propose you focus upon research.
A Necron? Interesting. I would like to scour your history databanks, albeit I have nothing to give in compensation... Well, apart from skin. Would you like to be able to have expressions again? Living, synthetic skin might look good on you. Even hide your disgusting xeno form... Apart from the legs.
Hopefully so. The devastation endured by Calixian Mechanicus, not to mention the other organizations, has taught us to never be too certain of any outcome.

you misunderstand me, I merely seek to understand how the technology work so that I might then attempt a construction on my utilizing the same principals

You are not one to decide, fleshling. But I will remember you, and my immortal legions will turn your forges into nothingness.

The warp? Only a fool would use such an unstable route. Yes, we are hunted by the light, we exceed the limitations of the physical universe, but we do not make use of the immaterium. But to understand and be able to survive such feats, you will need a superior body.

The only thing I seek are the ancient ones. the great Gods of olden times. With their knowledge at my side, I will unravel life itself and create technology that exceeds anything my more conservative colleagues ever dreamed of. I will awaken the God in the machine.

aren't those portal things you guys use called warp portals? Oh wait you think the route im suggesting is the warp, no no no you see ever since the heresy much of the lowest layers of mars are tainted with daemons and thus patrolled , you could easily get anywhere you wanted on mars without opposition as long as you can not be driven mad by the daemons bound into cogitators screaming in broken binary

>cogboys
>right to call anyone insane

there's a pot calling a kettle black, and then there's this

indeed, we are all insane in our own particular peculiar ways

I find your actions most illogical. Do you really expect us to believe that Necrons managed to sneak onto Cadia at the height of a chaos siege? That Necrons infiltrated one of the most secure places in the Imperium in order to aid Cawl in dealing with Eldar Witches?
That Eldar Witches lead a force of Black Templars through the webway? That these said xenos revived Gulliman? Do you expect us to believe that the Necrons corrupted agents of the Mechanicum, Inquisition, Ecclesiarchy, and Black Templars in concert with their arch nemesis Eldar in order to blackmail Gulliman at some future date?
What. Do you suggest that the grox are collaborating on this too?

I reject this nonsense of xeno cabals. There were no Necrons on Cadia, nor Eldar on MacCragge. This is clearly a chaos ruse to keep us disunited.

Do you think of me as an amateur, who requires the aid of the immaterium? We bend time and space to our will, and the laws of physic obey us Crypteks.
And I fear no inferior being. When I reach the planet, these rogue machines will cease to exist.

As did we. I recommend you reconsider. Or test fire whatever you create in a place you cannot possibly harm anything important. Dealing with the Inquisition can also be a bother and a waste of time even if the damage is minimal.
Well, considering the complete lack of Necron presence in the sector, I doubt Calixis has anything to offer to you, then. Which part of the Halo Stars did your original empire come from? If I may ask, that is.
When you have seen things such as I have in my two centuries, you will be ready to believe anything, if only as a possibility. The Lathes will focus upon rebuilding and strengthening our defenses. Do not expect our aid before the way of Omnissiah has revealed itself once more and the Hereteks of this breach of Credo Omnissiah exposed.

You disregard the Greatest expressions of the Omnissiah's might, the Ordinatus?

good luck those things have been a pain in our ass since the heresy and I do really want to know how warp portals work. trust me, the inqusistion never comes all the way out here, especially not in his current unstable climate.
I may dance on the edge of tech heresy but I have enough sanity left to know where the line is and to not cross it

If you say so. May Omnissiah protect your efforts, my brother of machines and seeker of knowledge.

if I can figure out how warp portals work and create some of my own, imagine the logistical nightmares I can solve, especially with the recent outbreak of storms across the imperium . If the cost for all that the loss of my life to the Inquisition I will gladly pay that price

Nay brother but rather that was an undertaking of several priests in full knowledge of our brotherhood... not hidden. Away from even the highest on Mars for ten thousand years. A stark different method no?

You don't need the warp or any kind of immaterial aid. What you need is the knowledge of the necron race. And if you decide to help me, I shall see that you become one of our kind. You would not be the first I introduce to true immortality.

I DONT WANT TO BE AN NECRON I WANT TO KNOW HOW TO MAKE AN ETERNITY GATE!

Establishing data-crypt alpha.... encryption confirmed.

My order has already made significant progress on the problem. Scavenging expeditions to the ruins of Tizca and the Exhubris Portal affair have provided plenty of data, and the stabilizing effect of the Venatorian Reality Cages helps greatly. We have already used low-powered prototypes to open zero-width power conduits, and the efficiency of Forge World Sierra has increased by approx 15% with the additional energy. We aren't well regarded by Mars, however, and the feeling is mutual after what happened to Archmagos Treides on Cyclotrathe. Come without trail, the Ghoul Stars are watched.
Coordinates enclosed in datapacket.

Encryption disabled. Normal astropathic bandwidth restored.