>The book starts roughly 100 years after the Heresy - with the death of a Primarch. Guilliman vs Fulgrim, finally written down to enjoy. >Thiel became Captain of the 2nd Company of the Ultramarines after the Heresy!
>There are now Tetrarchs again in 40k. >The Sisters of Silence see Guilliman as living saint - they are glad he is back and they worship him. >When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool. So yeah, this builds up on the MoM story line. (I actually skipped quite to the end of the novel for this one). >The Emperor's humanity is all but gone in 40k.
>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - he calls them even "Cawl's blasphemous hordes". >He only sees them as a tool (atleast for now). >It's also implied that he actually is a psyker and tries not to use his potential because of Magnus' censorship.
F to pay respects for Warhammer 40,000. Chewed up and spit out by the EA of the tabletop industry.
>F
David Martinez
I'm going to need some proof on that.
Asher Reyes
>GW advance the storyline, it's boring and stagnant!
>Okay
>FUUUUUUUUUUU REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Dominic Cruz
>advance the storyline GW! >DUHHRR OK *advances the storyline in the most retarded way possible* >what the fuck, this is retarded! >WHY ARE YOUGH MAD U SAID ADVANT DA STORY
Hudson Sanchez
So basically you're mad because you didn't get to write the story?
Camden Williams
...Emperor can talk?
Parker Smith
werent all 20 primarchs supposed to be psykers of some level?
John White
Cawl added text to speech to the golden throne.
Lincoln Wilson
telepathic collect call
William Williams
>The Emperor's Text to Speech device is canon in 40k
SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT SOILED IT
Carson Miller
Nice bait.
Luke Mitchell
>>The Sisters of Silence see Guilliman as living saint - they are glad he is back and they worship him. u mean sisters of battle? confused?
Liam Ward
Wait really
Jose Lee
>>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - he calls them even "Cawl's blasphemous hordes". >>He only sees them as a tool (atleast for now)
So... he's about to make the same mistake as the Emperor?
Asher Cruz
Nah, it's a series of YouTube videos.
Xavier Myers
>Thiel
Who would win in a Marty Sue Showdown?
Aeonid Thiel, Nykona Sharrowkyn, or Garviel Loken?
Zachary Jones
the sins of the father, user
Nolan Ramirez
Since when Guillian is religious? BIG E being a cunt is to be expected. I'm gladd we are moving the focus away grom him.
Easton Cox
Loken. His plot armor is at least a 2+ rerollable.
Jaxson Bennett
SoS are Culexus with the Big E's blessing. SoB just pray really hard to Him.
Brandon Sanders
>When Guilliman spoke with the Emperor during the gathering storm he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool
>implying he actually had a fucking CHAT with the Emperor on the the throne
stopped reading
Dylan Torres
He did, the talk was telepathic.
Apparently the Emperor could just talk with people all along, why he did is something only Guy Haley knows.
Bentley Bailey
I stopped reading 11 years ago. 40k's fluff started going to shit long before Fantasy's.
Jonathan Green
He did talk in old novel Draco.
Asher Carter
>Apparently the Emperor could just talk with people all along
Guilliman says the Emperor has lost the power of subtlety. He probably would have killed most people with his telepathy if he had tried to talk to them.
Josiah Phillips
Yes but it wasn't really a conversation with him, it was more like being stripped bare by a hive mind, put back together, and having to hear out it's opinions for a litte.
Also I think there was something about Emp's attention mattering to where it goes and what it does. I don't know how important that is in current fluff.
Brayden Harris
>It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - he calls them even "Cawl's blasphemous hordes". >He only sees them as a tool (atleast for now).
mmmmmWAT
Noah Harris
Iskandar Khayon is a bigger sue than all of them combined
Jacob Bailey
Huh? >Choose between the three Sue's.. >Picks the narrator from Talon of Horus.
Julian Richardson
>It's also implied that he actually is a psyker Isn't this the case for almost all primarchs and most of them repress their powers?
William Price
pdf or epub leak yet?
Josiah Martin
How grim. So dark.
Brayden Miller
Most of them have derivative powers, not full psychic powers eg corax could become invisible, curze could see the future.
okay gonna let myself get memed for the lolz user.
Angel Cooper
Does anyone else feel like Master of Mankind was just thrown together because they needed to advance the plot?
Jaxson Martinez
F
Levi Jenkins
I've finally gotten around to reading the gathering storm, but I don't know what to read that continues the story. Can anyone help a dummy like me?
Jayden Sullivan
>meet the new boss, same as the old boss
All I'm getting from this summary is that the history is just going to repeat itself, going into another cycle of the same shit.
John Lewis
I actually think is pretty cool. It's actually more Grimdark than I thought it would be
Alexander Evans
>Emperor has lost of his humanity, if he ever had it to begin with >Guilliman is disillusioned >The son becomes the father >Self-hating psyker
I unironically like all of this although I'll have to read the book itself to say if it's good writing or not.
Aaron Moore
SPRITUALLIEGED.com
Logan Davis
>The book starts roughly 100 years after the Heresy - with the death of a Primarch. Guilliman vs Fulgrim, finally written down to enjoy.
So was it a mutual KO or did Fulgrim kill him and just leave.
Josiah Russell
Literally look a few posts above you, there's a Dark Imperium epub.
Austin Morgan
F
Colton James
It's almost like there's more than one fan of 40k and they might want different things! Gee Wilkers batman, who'd have thought!
Ian Cook
The book confirms Yvraine lied, Guilliman can take off his armor just fine. He does it in the first 40k-era chapter.
John Moore
Except this company makes things of value and artistic.
Jack Green
You have a lot of things to catch up on after your 10 year long coma friend. Congrats on your recent recovery though
William Carter
If you really want to read it at way. Realistically it just confirms GW writers do the barest minimum of reading and coordination, and not even that much.
Jaxson Powell
And sometimes*
David Torres
ok, ok, ok, let me get this straight, the Emperor has conscience and can talk to other people? I thought he was a corpse which was kept "alive" just to powerup the astronomican, I didn't know he was conscious and could have converstations with other people, this is actually very fucking new for me.
Joseph Hill
No, it's dolphin porn.
Robert Bailey
He hasn't had any confirmed conversations since Chaos Child, which current BL would rather you forget, and implied convo with Alicia Dominica
Robert Lee
It's not :(
Now I have to find my own dolphin porn
Jeremiah Brown
Just buy Friday the 13th off steam, and enter the Konami Code at character selection. You get twenty GB of it as an Easter egg.
Alexander Cooper
>primaris conduct an order 66 withoit gulliman noticing >kills off all the normal marine chapters and replace them >gulliman tries to sperg out and have them all hunted down and killed, but is calmed down by his shitty elf waifu >gulliman is now sureounded by a new cast of wacky and quirky demi-primarchs >he hates them all >their autisism leads to horus heresy 2.0
Julian Sanders
Maybe Rawbutt can give us more then ten thousand years of Saturday morning villainy.
Wyatt Howard
He explicitly doesn't have a conscience. He has no humanity in him whatsoever, and sees everyone else as mere tools to be used in his quest for Godhood. That's why Guilliman is so butthurt.
Dominic Edwards
F
Robert Perez
Pretty sure he's always been able to talk, it just takes a lot of concentration since he's holding back a daemon horde, is in constant agonizing pain, and has a fractured mind.
Jack Young
We were hoping it wouldn't suck, yes
I don't think that's super unreasonable
Jaxon Williams
It is though. If you thought it wouldn't suck then maybe Carnac is right and you guys don't follow the fluff. I mean, Gathering Storm was, from a very relative standpoint, decent, but it was very optimistic to assume it wasn't an anomaly
Zachary Ross
I think he meant conscious as in awake, not conscience as in jiminy cricket.
Caleb Fisher
It's new to us all, friend.
Austin Jenkins
>he was shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool. >It seems like Rowboote isn't really a fan of the Primaris Marines - He only sees them as a tool
Julian Campbell
It turns out Gulliman agrees the Emperor's fedora-tipping was retarded:
>‘If you do not hold with the teachings of our glorious church,’ said Mathieu ‘then why did you treat with us at all?’
>‘Because the Adeptus Ministorum has power, and though it has used that power unwisely on occasion, once the balance sheet is reckoned, I see it is and has been a force for good.’
How do you feel about this, tg?
Ethan Bell
Hes right, you know
Dylan Sanders
Neutral. Most glad they didn't turn Guilliman into a super fedora tipper like his father, have him end the Ecclisiarchy overnight, and get away with it without consequence for the greater Imperium; because I bet they put serious thought into doing something retarded like that
Juan Sullivan
There have been "lots" of people that could talk to the emperor although not directly, like that one time a shard of his soul appeared aboard of an imperial navy vessel.
Easton Wright
That is fine you can't change something that worked for thousand of years as soon as you come back and in the middle of the greatest shitstorm ever after the HH.
Evan Kelly
I, CATO SICARIUS, WOULD EMERGE VICTORIOUS IN SUCH A STRUGGLE AS I, CATO SICARIUS, AM THE SUPERIOR ULTRAMARINE
Jack Harris
Inevitable. It's not like they could ever get rid of the religious nature of the Imperium, it's too central to it's identify. Therefore, if rowboat is to be the new leader of the imperium he has to be at least tolerant of that aspect.
Plus. it makes sense. As a character that's mean to be this enlightened natural born civilisation builder, it's only natural for him to be aware of the fact that religion is a powerful tool when used to support a government and for him to be willing to use it as such from a solely pragmatic perspective. And there's also the fact that if he opposed the imperial faith, primarch or not, he'd almost certainly be declared a heretic. Probably say he's daemon prince in disguise.
Dylan Flores
>shocked how his "father" really sees him - not as a son, but a tool.
You'd fucking think after 10,000 years to mull over how badly you fucked up, you'd maybe learn something and realize that you fucked up by having this kind of view to begin with, but I guess the Emperor is just that kind of retarded.
Evan Edwards
Space marines go against the imperial faith as do the adeptus mechanicus. It's common enough where a primarch saying the emperor was just a man wouldn't be that outlandish given most space marines hold that belief.
Gulliman doesnt hate the Primaris. The OP is a misreading. He knows they are 'blampheous' (thry technically are), but doesn't give a fuck.
Jaxon Nguyen
If anything it cements my allegience with Chaos senpai. Man is tainted by the warp by nature, and contributed to the power of the Chaos Gods more than any other race. Man deserves Chaos like Chaos deserves Man.
Chaos Undivided 4lyfe
Aaron Smith
>>It's also implied that he actually is a psyker and tries not to use his potential because of Magnus' censorship. I've always figured ALL the Primarchs were psykers to a greater or lesser degree. "It's fuckin warp magic and shit" is literally the only way to explain their bullshit power levels without completely busting suspension of disbelief, and they are the lineage of the Emperor who was the most powerful psyker to ever exist.
Kayden Murphy
I want to live through sex, not get gored, flayed, and or killed.
Hunter Collins
What the hell is all of this? Wasn't the setting supposed to be the story of a man that, for all his power and knowledge, was still human and therefore prone to emotion, illogic and being blinded by the best of intentions? What's the point of his big plan to properly evolve humanity if he basically doesn't give a shit about anyone? Wasn't this supposed to be the tragedy of humanity exemplified simply because he was too human for his job, and couldn't separate his feelings from what needed to be done because he still cared? Where's the emotion in all of this?
Lincoln Moore
F :(
Evan Butler
They do not "go against." There's a difference between a few chapters respectfully doing their own thing/the mechanicus being syncretically absorbed but still largely independent, and the new would-be leader of the imperium going full fedora and banning the imperial faith.
Jayden Sullivan
It's as if the combined consciousnesses of 200 prehistoric sorcerers into one individual has some issues connecting with other beings not like him.
Evan Green
I think I'm done with this franchise
Angel Myers
>Wasn't the setting supposed to be the story of a man that, for all his power and knowledge, was still human and therefore prone to emotion, illogic and being blinded by the best of intentions? No. >Wasn't this supposed to be the tragedy of humanity exemplified simply because he was too human for his job, and couldn't separate his feelings from what needed to be done because he still cared? Also no.
This was supposed to be a rip off of Dune crossed with a rip off of Nemesis the Warlock.
Nathaniel Williams
The answer is very simple.
Camden Edwards
The implication is that he doesn't give a shit now, after 10,000 of endless suffering and a fractured mind, not that he was always like that.
Noah Collins
Remember that episode of Futurama where "God" tricked Bender into being pro-active, because he tricked Bender into thinking God wasn't interested in helping anyone?
Maybe it's like that.
Mason Miller
I feel like Warhammer 40k is being written by atheists and people without an understanding of what religion is like, and so they really don't understand why the Emperor should be a saviour figure or how important it is to emphasize the human nature of the Emperor, as opposed to the Emperor being some super-powered autist.
Asher Long
Unfortunately true. Current GW calls replacing quality with shit retelling it "correctly, authentically, and appropriately," Even more funny because a month after that post he repeats the "everything is canon" line in an interview saying it's okay if people don't like the fluff he writes because the fluff he writes is "my story". Anyone who strictly follows 40k canon is a joke desu.
Henry Long
Fuck off Goldberg.
Hudson Reed
>guillyman hates being treated like a tool by the emperor >Treats primaris marines like tools