Aircraft-based armies edition Conversion Work subedition
Death Guard tested out their new knives, Primarchs are reverse Fisher Kings and Sanguinius got himself a makeover. A Vorax is obviously charismatic when compared to parody Wolf names and the Reductor read some Iain M Banks. Increasing autistic arguments about Magnus, the Emperor and 8e continued to disrupt bread comfiness and some of the Stormwhales turned to Nurgle. All this and more in the last thread >Thread FAQ pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8
>30k TACTICA & TIPS What to include in a HH list, how to format it, what makes each legion special (crunch), tactics, Tutorials for Heresy-era minis and more pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLp
First for fuck you, we'll argue and get mad over what we like.
Ian Cook
Has anyone ever fought any custom missions or similar 30k games? If so, please do tell. I want to try designing some, but I'm slightly worried they'll be imbalanced as fuck.
Cooper White
According to the Dark Imperium Macragge's Honour and Gauge were absent for all Heresy since Calth :(.
Matthew Morris
are any of the myrmidons weapon options good? or only grav spam?
Connor Roberts
Well, seeing as a yiff in the last thread seemed mad the TS got another novel, time to start dumping full spoilers for Crimson King I guess. Though I don't see much to rage or complain about really, other than McNeil's continuing drop off a cliff, quality wise.
>The Magnus shard that will become Janus is chilling under the palace being all sad >Ahriman, Lucius and a bunch of dudes you'll only care about if you read the John French books go to steal a thing called the Iron Occulus on the orders of Magnus >Some time ago, the Eldar tried to destroy the Iron Occulus, but failed. The defenders of it captured Jain Zar and have her locked up, conscious, in some kind of paralyzing field. >Ahriman pauses to shit-talk at her. >They steal the Iron Occulus, which turns out to be a daemon called Aforgomon. It's an oracle. >In stealing it, Sobek triggers the flesh-change in himself. The others freeze him before he Spawns out. >Ahriman strikes a bargain with Aforgomon, which isn't explicitly spelled out as yet, but appears to be something in return for a soul sacrifice. >It turns out that Magnus vs Ahriman dynamic is already in place; Ahriman is frantic to cure the flesh-change, but Magnus has banned research into it. Amon has also already taken up his role as third wheel, his interests diverging from them both. >Lorgar psychically visits Magnus on the Planet of Sorcerers to tell him once more about the benefits of this little thing called Chaos. >He goes on and on about how great it is and how awesome Horus is and how Magnus should join up with the cool kids or be a loser forever and also smell >Magnus gets annoyed and starts pulling Lorgar's soul apart and threatens to cast him to a pack of waiting daemons if he doesn't shut the fuck up. He then tells Lorgar to go, and never come back. >Lucius and Sanakht are bro-ing it up, which is kind of cute
Isaac Edwards
So that's why they wrote that short story about lucius visiting the planet of sorcerers. I wondered what the point of that was.
James Bell
Guilliman vs Fulgrim duel was funny, most of the time Phoenician was mocking Smurf and when Roboute wounded one of Pilgrim's Fulgrim got mad and beat shit from Guilliman.
Eli Bailey
More Crimson King spoilers
>Magnus is dying, Amon decides to try and save him. >3 of the legion flagships Magnus sent away at Prospero turn up at the Planet of Sorcerers for some reason, with their complements of marines. >Ahriman, Sanakht and Hathor Maat do a big mad mental spell in an attempt to save Sobek. >It works. >Sobek is saved from the flesh-change. The others are jubilant. >Sobek takes one look at them, says "All is dust" and then immolates in spontaneous combustion. His ashen remains pool inside his armour. >Ahriman cannot understand what happened - they did it *perfectly*. Magnus arrives and tells Ahriman that he just got played, and will Ahzek really, seriously this time, stop fucking disobeying him on this. Ahriman tells dad to go fuck himself. >Magnus only stops it from kicking off by telling Ahriman that Amon has asked for him and the others >300 TS meet with Amon on the ruins of Tizca. Graham seems to have not got the memo about the new numbers of TS from Forgeworld; earlier they were excited about the 3 to 5,000 guys that came back on the ships. >I hoped you liked the John French books, because Graham is also doing his trick of making everyone in them be his rando background characters instead of someone new. >Amon tells everyone Magnus is dying, and that they need to enact a ritual where they fight the warp ghosts of the burning of Prospero and re-enact the final battle to see how Magnus got hurt and work out how they can heal him. So they all do it, the absolute witches. >They learn that 5 shards of Magnus scattered into the warp, and Ahriman gets a glimpse of where they are, and that Magnus needs them back to be fully healed >R-r-r-rRoadtrip
Parker Baker
user, would you give me a link on script of "The Heart of Pharos"? Please
Easton Morris
I don't really see why people call Gilliman a Mary Sue when he's been jobbing against basically anyone he ever fought, even fucking Kor Phaeron.
William Stewart
The real mary sue is Cawl.
Cooper Perez
at this point I wouldn't even consider him a mary sue. A mary sue has to be a character, Cawl is just a cheap ass fucking plot device.
>New Mari- Cawl >New Tan- Cawl >New, better Bolt- Cawl >Galactic, incomprehensible Waystones... Cawl fixes them >resurrecting a Primarch that's been dead for 10k years? Cawl
If there's any question about any form of technological progression or rejuvination, Cawl is your answer. There's not much thought put into how or why he was able to do all that, but it's easier to just credit your new OC donutsteel Archmagos because what he does goes against everything the Admech stood for prior to Gathering Storm.
Luke Richardson
:''''''''''(
Christopher Hall
yes? wasn't that known for a while yet? they were stuck in the Warp for a while IIRC
Jason Gomez
why would you even want to be a loyalist?
Cooper Moore
He returned after Guillman's death.
Ryder Rogers
I was loyalist because Emprah was awesome, but since BL is making him bigest dick in the universe i'm thinking about changing my loyality.
But still Sanguinius and Khan were loyal.
Eli Richardson
>Cawl
The Deus Ex Machina is Mechanicus. How apt.
Ian Thompson
sang was an ok guy
Thomas Cox
better fashion sense
eagles and plumes not spikes and more spikes ok
John Walker
Why not both?
Jaxon Nelson
>Not standing with Humanity >siding with the interdimensional xeno smelly dumb traitor scum
Christopher Sanders
Need some help, domany of you have an idea for a cool pose on the third Agamatus? I'm sitting here staring at the empty bike but I can't think of anything that can be done in a reasonable manner. Please excuse the potato quality. Can't find my phone and the tablet cam is garbage.
Isaac Turner
Holding the lance above his head triumphantly or like signaling a charge.
Jacob Lee
KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN may be traitor.
Jayden Robinson
>Beating shit from traitors on Terra >not loyal user please
Henry Adams
cont.
>Promus, once Chief Librarian of the Ultramarines is now a Knight Errant. He is employed to psychically test all the wounded Shattered Legion survivors Mal has been collecting to see if they are suitable candidates for the Titan project. >Captain Japan turns up and raises the weeb levels to dangerously high. He, Promus, some Cybernetica dudes and a squad of Space Wolves are sent to ambush Ahriman at a Sisters of Silence gaol for psykers. Mal sends them on this mission using a secret intelligence source that is implied to be Janus. >In the gaol are the remembrancers from ATS. >Hathor Maat fixes Lucius's face up just the way Lucius wants; to be that of a perfect hero. He of course ends up looking like Fulgrim. >One problem; doing so triggers the early signs of the flesh-change in Hathor Maat. Ruh-roh. >Hey old-timers, Mordant Hex cameos. His real name is Onuris Hex and he's a Scarab Occult officer. >Big fight. Much bullshit. Captain Japan kills a Thousand Son and survives a duel with Lucius because he's a samurai with a katana or some shit. The TS - despite the Aforgomon pointing out they have numerical and power superiority - take a beating because Space Wolves are better than the Thousand Sons. The TS only make it out because Ignis remote pilots a Reaver Titan in a spacewalk and crashes the party. >The TS steal a Black Ship and escape with Camille, but Lemuel Gaumon and Menkaura are captured. >Meanwhile, Magnus' attempt to build some new psychic lunacy gets him lost in the Warp. Amon swears to find him.
Well that was a load of entertaining bullshit for a first big fight scene. Roadtrip part 2 coming later.
Daniel Johnson
>Siding with humanity >Siding with the emperor Pick one kid
Kevin Clark
Because we did not bow then, and we will not bow now. And I like the idea of Loyalist EC struggling to stand above the tragedy that befell the rest of their Legion.
Lincoln Kelly
I'm sure selling your soul to the ruinous powers is good for humanity.
Alexander Flores
>decide to post in the HHG Bread for the first time >obligatory look through old threads >"Loyalist Iron Warriors are a meme" >look at own army >Loyalist Iron Warriors unless I run a Golgwing
Forever cursed to be a meme.
Parker Fisher
Was there any direct power comparison between kabandha, anggrath and skarbrand?
Elijah Phillips
such is the fate of a snowflake
Angel Wilson
This is cute. Too cute.
Jordan Wood
I didn't even know Iron Warriors were so popular outside my local meta, let alone Loyalist ones, until recently.
Juan Hill
They're a stereotype, but stereotypes happen because they're true and common. I'd be snowflakier to not be loyalist as an IW :^)
Anthony Sanders
>and will Ahzek really, seriously this time, stop fucking disobeying him on this. Ahriman tells dad to go fuck himself. Like father like son
Cameron Thompson
I'd agree on the "plot device" thing, but at least he actually has flaws, and ones that may actually matter: he's tiptoeing the Heretek line, Guilliman thinks he'll have to go at some point, he's not telling people where he's going all the time, he desperately wants to be Fabricator General, and he's got a creation that interfaces with the warp and has a suspicious resemblance to an Abominable Intelligence (he claims it's just a smart machine spirit) that's espousing looting xenotech.
The guy's like 3 civil wars waiting to happen
Ayden Hill
An'ggrath>Skarbrand>Ka'Bandha
Lucas Campbell
what book? has it been shared?
Jaxon Kelly
Okay, some neat continuity / fluff porn is going down.
>Hathor Maat strikes a deal with Aforgomon to save him from the flesh-change >Promus and the Rune-Priest Bjarki lay the verbal smackdown on Menkaura about how Magnus totally sucks ass, and to their surprise, Menkaura agrees and tells them what Ahriman is doing and that they need to stop it; if they don't, Magnus will go full Chaotic Evil. >This scene lays on the Wolf/Imperial perspective a bit thick, but is probably gonna come up in the TS are Dindus arguments in the future. >Amon continues his - subjective - centuries long journey to find sharded Magnus, while Ahriman and co. go to a fucked up warp portal thing on the word of the daemon oracle. Ahriman goes on a spirit vision and sees Ohrzmud. It's like a shittier version of the John French stuff. >And in a shittier version of Dan Abnett stuff, Gaumon gets made to act as a skjald to the wolf pack. He also does a tarot reading that directs the Imps to Aghoru, where they find a shard of Magnus, this one of his aggression. Fight-scene. Captain Japan one-ups surviving a duel with Lucius by now somehow surviving a brawl with (a shard of) Magnus the Red. >The shard does ultimately beat them all, but everyone forgot they brought Menkaura and Gaumon with them. >Menkaura binds the Magnus-shard into Lemuel Gaumon using some of that sweet black magic. >Ahriman and co. time-travel back to the Boetian campaign. They turn out to be the XV Legion warriors who throw Kasper Hawser's team out of that shrine from the beginning of Prospero Burns. >They knock through it and find a shard of Magnus, this one of his curiosity. Ahriman convinces it to return with them. It piggy-backs itself into him. >Amon finds a very old Magnus, who has finished building his Orrery. This Magnus reveals it was the one who helped the Salamanders in Deathfire. He agrees to go back to the Planet of Sorcerers with Amon.
Well, that got interesting.
Zachary Adams
40k book Dark Imperium by Guy Haley It's about new 40k crusade but first chapter is about Guillman's duel with Fulgrim after Heresy. Btw Thiel is 2 Ultramarines(Chapter not Legion) company captain.
Nathan Flores
>Aforgomon Wait, that's a real name? Feels like a Digimon. And who is Captain Japan?
Jaxson Wood
The new Guy Haley one, there's a copy knocking about somewhere. The beginning is the Fulgrim vs Rowboat fight. Non-plot spoiler about some HH characters: Aeonid Thiel is present as the UM 2nd Captain, Master Corvo of the Novamarines is also kicking about.
Tyler Peterson
It's Kyr Vhalen and Dantioch's fault for all of the loyalists.
Dylan Adams
I really can't help but not give a shit about either the TS or SW. Probably the two least interesting Legions.
Nathan Howard
Nagasena, one of McNeil's pet characters. He's the guy who acts like a Samurai for some reason. His katana gets broken and he sings a song for it while crying and compares losing it to the Rune-Priest being upset that he lost a packmate.
I know we laugh a bit about sues but this guy has survived two fights where he should have been instantly gibbed so far. Fair enough. The book's underwhelming, it's like a Remix of ATS, the French books and the Arvida plot. The continuity porn's the only bit that's really impressed me so far.
Jason Cruz
Eh, that really depends. All of those have been the greatest bloodthirster at certain points.
Parker Ward
Not good at english. Ahriman fusioned with the Shard you mean?
And what did Janus Shard represent?
Gabriel Nelson
Damn man please shave
Cooper Gomez
They really should've made the beard blonde like the rest of his hair.
Nathan Davis
Guys I accidentally ignored senpai for a few days and now he's mad at me what do
Ryan Martinez
The shard merged with Ahriman and was present as an awake being in his mind. Ahriman complained that it was too overwhelming so the shard withdrew to 'sleep'. It's not clear if it is currently still in him, or in his hequa staff, which turned pure white when the shard went quiet.
The shards so far: Janus - Nobility. Gaumon - Anger Ahriman - Curiosity Magnus on the Planet of Sorcerers didn't recombine with all the shards that went with him and instead used them as familiars to write down all the knowledge from Prospero he could remember. The effort burned them out and started killing his soul. He re-absorbed them, thought he was then powerful enough to build a big warp...library...thing, but he was wrong. He got lost in the warp for long enough to appear very, very old, but succeeded in building the thing in the end. This version of him is the one that saved the Salamanders in Deathfire.
Nolan Reed
right next to goldilocks and bobby Caesar, the ol' Lionel looks quite out of place.
Aiden Rivera
He's in mourning for his sword. That's totally normal. >t. Nagasena
Ian Howard
Is that really you? Holy fuck you have been missed. Come back to us please.
Nathaniel Stewart
I don't know what happened
David Evans
Thanks for the info. I guess Curiosity shard got detached with its host then? Given back to Mag?
Also, Anger's another Grey Knight?
Benjamin Cook
You vanished, and people got worried. No kidding. Also we found a version of you who waifus Fulgrim, and is as mad about his Senpai as you are about yours.
Jack Wright
>his ...I think I may have seen this guy before. Go on.
Brody Miller
we need you back to purge him from the server
Josiah Collins
You can hear more and even find the guy on the Discord. We've missed your shitposting if such a thing is even possible. Please come back.
Hudson Sanchez
Atentamente you the "one" curzefag? Where the fuck did you go? If it's you, Why aren't you in the 40kg? What do you think about 8ed? About once again losing the legions rules for the second time?
Grayson Hernandez
Go find some criminals and tell him where they are.
Sebastian Jones
>once again losing the legions rules for the second time
Hunter Edwards
>About once again losing the legions rules for the second time? Really? Are you shitting me?
>and the 40k army goes back into the closet for another decade
Brayden Martinez
Everybody lost rules, but I reckon losing legions again is a bigger dick move than loyalist losing their "chapter tactics"
Kayden Bailey
>Everybody lost rules Confirm this with the Skitarii, Jeeze....
At least i still can use them in 30k....
Angel Cook
You forgot the whole "uses Necron AND Eldar tech at the same time" part. Given the warp/anti warp nature of those techs he is actually a a Heretek by Necron and Eldar standards not even to start on the Ad Mech.
Canon triple heritek achievement unlocked, good going bro...
Ryan Baker
>Promus gives Nagasena his old sword that he reforged >Nagasena cries >So I didn't mention it, figuring it would be important later, but Gaumon has been carrying around the ashes of Callista Eris, and no-one else has noticed. Turns out they were another shard of Magnus. They absorb into Gaumon also. >Hathor Maat, as part of his deal with Aforgomon, inserts a tiny piece of nonsense into the Book of Magnus, which is heavily implied to be the reason spells cast using it fuck up in the future. >The Imps use the Tarot again and learn they have to go to Nikea. This book is like the Greatest Hits of the Thousand Sons. >Obviously Ahriman and squad go there too. >Lucius and Sanakht fight for a third time. I didn't mention the second because it was a draw. This time Sanakht wins by putting a scar down Lucius previously-restored to perfection face. Lucius is pretty mad about this. >Chief Librarian of the Salamanders, Umojen, is confirmed to also be a Knight Errant. >Everyone meets up, fight time >Lucius opens the fight by taking off the head of the Silent Sister that's nulling everyone with his whip >Gaumon breaks free and does some magic shit that sends everyone into a labyrinth of...tempation? Punishment? >Ahriman and co get chased by spirits of Sobek and dead TS >The Space Wolves get told some unwelcome information about Promus and get attacked by wights >Lucius is confronted by spirits of Loken, Sharrowkyn, Sanakht, and then himself. He ends up cutting his face to shit again. >Whatever Menkaura sees makes him gouge out his eyes >Everyone meets in the middle and finds the last shard of Magnus; it is a giant corpse, the part of his soul that died when the Emperor pronounced the Judgement of Nikea >Aforgomon's deal with Ahriman turns out to have been a bunch of riddles that accurately describe something taken from several of the people present; Menkaura's eyes/future, Lucius' face, Bjarki's compassion...and Hathor Maat's soul.
Camden Sullivan
No, Anger was in Gaumon
Michael Hill
Find the fucking Iron in yer spine, faggot. Seize it and march with yer Primarch!
Michael Evans
>did I remember to lock up the monastery on caliban before I came here? >I wonder what Luther is up to >these monsters remind me of my childhood
Nicholas Moore
So ever since KAT got shitcanned I havent been able to find a reliable source for the 30/40K audiobooks. Help a nigga out? I need my fix.
Adam Cooper
I mean whether the Anger's host become GK or not.
Hunter Edwards
Last part of the Crimson King
>Ahriman sacrifices Hathor Maat to the daemon >Aforgomon manifests using Maat's body and turns out to be Fateweaver. >Ahriman, Fateweaver and the shard of Magnus in Ahriman merge and super-saiyan up. Both aspects of Magnus then duel. >Ahriman-Magnus wins, and absorbs the shards from Gaumon-Magnus. >God, this is some dumb shit. >The Thousand Sons teleport out. >Gaumon wakes up, Bjarki examines him and discerns he has - Exorcist Astartes-style - been made proof against future warptouch. He is wyrd-wraith. >So, Promus survived, but the thing Kairos told Bjarki about him is nagging him. He straight out askes Promus, has Promus killed Space Wolves? Has he killed loyal space marines? >Promus, as we saw at the start, has. He slew candidates not fit for the Titan project. He confesses he has done as accused. >The Space Wolves cut him down instantly. >Gaumon takes Promus' oath of moment from his armour and swears that he will honour the memory of a once-decent man. From this moment on, Gaumon will be known as Promeus. >(Promeus is one of the founders of the Inquisition) >The Thousand Sons return home, and Ahriman dumps the shards into Magnus, and heals him. >Lots of references to events in the John French books here as Tolbek and Sanakht bitch at Ahriman and Ignis has kidnapped a Cybernetica robot that will become Credence. >Magnus announces that the Thousand Sons will join with Horus and fight at Terra, but not to help Chaos win, but just so that Magnus can reclaim his last shard.
the end, one last post incoming
Justin Flores
So we now know the IDs of 3 of the 4 founders of the Inquisition. They are 2 men and 2 women. The 2 men are Kyril Sindermann and Lemuel Gaumon, now known as Promeus. One of the women is Amendera Kendel. Magnus gets all his shards back except the one in Janus, and getting it back is apparently the sole reason he finally declares for Horus; he says as soon as he gets it they will abandon the traitor forces. After that, his plan is to store all knowledge in the universe inside the Orrery, the giant library he has built in the warp, so that nothing can ever be lost again. Lucius just kind of vanishes at the end, but he muses before that that, when he gets bored hanging out with the TS, he intends to go hang out with Horus instead. So look for him there I guess? Pretty much all named alive TS of any import ever appear in this book and we now know the fates of all their fluff characters. So I guess their plot thread is done, bar guest appearances. Oh, and Mal is harvesting Shattered Legion survivors that make it to Terra to be turned into Grey Knights; any that fail an insanely strict purity test get euthanised I think that's it? No, the host becomes Promeus, Anger goes back into Magnus. He gets all his aspects back except Nobility.
Christopher James
Is it confirmed that Revuel IS Janus? That name-degredation shit confuses me, even more on Janus on the Beast series fluff.
Isaiah Garcia
Well, there's no literal sentence where Janus says "So I used to be Revuel Arvida" but the evidence allowing us to draw that conclusion is overwhelming in favour. I would be confident in treating it as such until anything conflicting is released.
As for name degradation, the latin spelling of Janus is Ianus, they're pronounced the same.
Thomas Nguyen
Is a 10 man squad of Breachers able to accomplish anything, or should I shoot for a 20 man squad?
Elijah Lee
>Magnus gets all his shards back except the one in Janus, and getting it back is apparently the sole reason he finally declares for Horus; he says as soon as he gets it they will abandon the traitor forces. Good shit BL good shit. This is just a top tier narrative with strong character motivations that arise from earlier events. I applaud your ability to change and remove all previous backstory to replace it with such complete and thought out plot lines.
Leo Hall
>Siding with daemon gods that want to devour humanity
Chaoscucks are truly pathetic.
John Carter
But dont you see? The Emperor treated some of his giant manbabies poorly so it's totally okay to want the galaxy to burn :^)
Jaxson Gutierrez
Loin, Sangy, vulky and gilly just got BTFO by Kurze, give them a break.
Easton Perry
>daddy didn't love me so I'm going to burn the galaxy down Traitors confirmed schoolshooter-tier
Matthew Roberts
>Lucius is confronted by spirits of Loken, Sharrowkyn, WTF, they died?
Austin Murphy
10's fine in a Land Raider. Otherwise get 15+.
Liam Sullivan
jfc, the Lion is a neckbeard? THE LION IS ONE OF US!
Josiah Davis
>primarchs as kids >mk vii space marine toy REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
John Gray
anyone got the Crimson King audiobooks?
Brandon Ward
Will you faggots watch it with the spoilers!
Landon Turner
I'll keep that in mind. I was thinking of getting the new flying Landraider as a Proteus proxy (once I can find a pair of sponsons to stick on it too), so the Breachers will have a sweet ride in that case.
Juan King
only the newest for daddy's special boy
Josiah Brooks
Have you embraced the gift of the universe that is Chaos yet?
Brayden Brown
About 75% done with the Hetaeron, and I'll probably finish them tomorrow. Mostly cleanup, adding to the gems, and basing is left.
Jason White
Do you play Dark Angels?
Noah Thompson
wait what the fuck, when is this set for release?
lion pls just use your helmet
why are all of they so angry except captain autismo?
