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Warlocks are pretty cool, i personally am really interested in the RP potential of having a patron

you can find [proficiency bonus] on the class table.

I just came up with quite the odd concept for a character. A Sprite that has taken the path of a Mystic, and uses Giant Growth to become human sized. Would you allow a this to be a PC in your campaign? Why or why not?
A main downside to this I can come up with is the size of equipment. Would it be allowed to change with the character? Or would they be forced to carry two sets, one Sprite sized and one regular? This sounds like an entertaining character if balanced correctly.

I guess the question is, what (mechanical) niche would we want the warlock to fill? Does the short rest caster make sense as a paradigm, or is there something better we could look for in the warlock?

martial blaster.... oh wait...

Stop making early threads.

To try and throw things at a wall and see what sticks, I'll try listing an idea for a revision:

Make Eldritch Blast a class feature, not a spell. Make it an entirely separate part of the class.

Then as well as their spells (which now don't compete with Eldritch Blasts for space) and Eldritch Invocations, you have modifiers to the Eldritch Blast as other things you can choose as you increase level.

This would include additions of damage types or conditions (Including the Invocations of Agonizing Blast, Eldritch Spear, Frost Lance (which would also change it to cold damage), Grasp of Hadar, Kiss of Mephistopheles, and Repelling Blast)

And these options should also change how the spell appears. At the moment it's a beam of energy, and not too impressive or thematic. But by taking these options your Eldritch Blast would start becoming more like your patron: Hunger of Hadar turning it from energy to writhing tendrils to drag them in, for instance.

This way they can still be EB turrets, but they can keep the other parts of the class as well.

I mean short rest caster could work, if warlock can really fullfill the caster roll. It can't really do that with the current spell list.

Warlock is my favorite class, there are somethings that should be improved but no one can agree what those things are or how to do it.

Some people complain about EB spam, but I like to have a simpler spellcaster. My biggest complaint is the spell slots per day, short rests are not a good mechanic imho. I also would prefer spell points because as it is you would waste slots by casting spells like shield. It also annoys me how people just dip into the class and get most defining features, EB should be a class ability, not a cantrip.

Invocation spells should be free, more powerful later invocations, one more base spell-slot. Then they could actually compete. Also buff their smite damage to d10s

Nearly everyone agrees the short rest mechanic is shit. Most that defend it have never touched one for more than a 1shot

Why the fuck is Static Shock the image for this thread?

They didn't remove hexblade, there is even an invocation in the last UA that affects the sublcass hex. Did they remove cursebringer? Yes, but they still can smite and we don't know if it will still be restricted to one handed weapons with CHA when the book comes out

Bringing up the question from last thread:
A warlock with no multiclassing, and all UA available, and all invocations related to either EB or Blade pact already chosen, what would you pick for your invocations?

>WotC is the only source that can fix it
>While posting on 5eg

If only there was some resource online where you could share ideas and make a balanced fix, if only.

Moon for sure desu, so I can be a good spellcasting guard dog and protect my party while they long rest because I only need an hour for my slots

The speak dead at will, so you can shoot first, ask questions later

I don't think short rests are necessarily a bad mechanic, the real problem is having both short and long rests and each class receiving different gains from each one.

It was on page 8 you faggot.

Has Space Jam finally been released as an official setting?

Whats the highest passive perception a character can possibly have?

You act like I haven't done so and continue to for every release, conversation here doesn't mean it doesn't happen elsewhere.

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Well that was what I had in mind but didn't clarify. The economy is heavily in favor of long resting classes unless your group takes a short all the time.

the quasi elemental plane of SLAM was introduced in planescape back in 2e
we will see if they go back to planescape in 5e rather than just releasing another fucking gay ass "map of the planes" type book

Short rests are fine if done as 5-10 minutes. Essentially, short rest powers become encounter powers. That's a fine balance.

Come on, it'll obviously be in the Spell Jam supplement, where they slam the crystal b-spheres into the Phlogiston.

>Come on, it'll obviously be in the Spell Jam
OH SNAP!

I did that as a GM.

Not changing the time, but each encounter is rarely back to back. Catching your breath, tending wounds, and moving at a normal or slower pace (like a careful walk) for about an hour until the next shit happens.

Also, unless you have a feature that means you dont need food, I will penalize you so hard you can't walk for a week, if yor just skip meals all day every day. No, one meal isnt enough. Get your 2 meals at minimum. Expect a fight before each meal. Guess what the time spent eating counts as?

The LR dependant classes thinks it is bullshit that I easily have 4 short rests a day, and doesn't just allow thrm to long rest after every hour of activity.

What's with all the negros lately?

>What's with all the negros lately?
15% of the population 50% of the violent crime.

At that point there is no real component to their spell-slots, you just burn without management or care.

They absolutely need some way to spend spell slots in combat as a melee character at high levels where they have to use both their action and bonus action to keep up with eldritch blast just using their action. What else could possibly suffice?

Classes are distinct for a reason, giving warlocks a downside-free access to smites is just crazy. If you want to smite, you should have to take some levels in paladin, and get those paladin abilities at the expense of some warlock abilities.

Well then care to share with the rest of the class, because untill such time all I have to go on is another person complaining without providing anything. Where as people like are throwing out ideas and ignored by the people who seem to have a vested interest in making warlocks better.

The downside is they eat minimum 3 invocations to be good in melee, and burn a limited spell-slot to smite. Not to mention the extra opportunity cost of having to make up for shit armor profs and d8 hitdie.

I'm not completely disagreeing, but they do pay a cost, a fairly heavy one to smite.

I always felt like warlock should just be a sorcerer subclass.

I managed to get an 18 Dex, 16 Cha start. Took blade pact and picked up a rapier.

I am doing quite well. Here at level 12 I have 20 Dex and Cha. am doing 2d8+24 damage every turn with a fair amount of hit points, and a pretty okay AC because of 20 Dex and mage armour. My choice of patron predates Hexblade, and the Mace available to GoO wasn't really interesting, but with the new UA, I can add quite a bit of punch to my damage, going up with 6d8 3 times a day. Of course, the power outside of damage has also been really great, and I am being a far better support than the UA Ranger, sorcerer or the Rogue.

I also have a +2 weapon in a game where we haven't gotten any kind of magical gear at all, because Invocations.

And god help anyone who tries to 1v1 my character. Darkness + Devil's sight is as cheese as it gets.

So you complained about people providing a critique about Warlocks in the general, then state you want more posted here.

Does your party have a bag of ash? You can use it to start camp faster or use it as emergency fire against troll regen.

Who really cares? 5e "you must rest 8 hours before you can ignore the effects of constipation again" level of balance is stupid.

No tard commander I complain about people whining here but offering nothing other than trying to argue how an option that WotC gutted is fine. We get it, it was fine but the theory crafters on Reddit ruined that.

So instead of just bitching post ideas of how to fix it, if you knew how to read in the first place that would have been obvious from post one.

Because OP is a SJW pinko commie trying to trigger /pol/ posters.

50% of the violent crime.
More like 80 if we cut the bullshit.

You realize you shitpost twice as hard as those that just throw out general complaints, especially in a thread where the topic is based on what people think of them.

So, no alternative solution from you. Right.

>If I just call him a shit poster it'll mean I wasn't an idiot from the beginning

Ok

>tfw my DM makes Warlocks canon rapists in his setting

Why are you so butthurt people are talking about it? Oh right, it's summer.

>le ebin summer posting
off yourself

>he actually believes in the summerfag meme

I thought you two were suppose to be talking about Warlock.

Eldritch Blast would be awesome if it wasn't its own thing, but instead like an Extra Attack for cantrips. Then it would be meaningful for the warlock to have a full list of cantrips.

It's hard finding a DM who actually does the proper amount of encounters and rests.

If people were actually talking they're wouldn't be a problem, the issue is it's thread after thread of moaning about how WotC gutted a decent option for Warlocks. We get it come up with a solution or go bitch on reddit.
>Summerfag meme

I didn't realize you were actually retarded, I thought you were merely pretending.

EK players would shit their pants like Paladins did if Locks got bonus cantrips on attack.

Solutions have been and continue to be posted, you cherry -picking the other posts is asinine.

People are talking, you are ignoring it to shitpost with your buddy.

Eldritch Knights have more attacks than a warlock, so they can suck it up.

The idea in my head is something like "At level 5, when you cast a cantrip you can also use an Eldritch Blast. Make a ranged spell attack. On a successful hit, the Eldritch Blast deals force damage equal to 1d10 plus your Charisma modifier."

Put something on Pact of the Blade that allows the blast to be a melee weapon attack instead of a ranged spell attack, adding the weapon damage onto the force damage.

I like the idea, especially considering they continue to force EB support over everything, but I doubt they'd ever consider it due to multiclassing, their focus on smites(imagine if you could do both) and it stepping on caster locks toes.

I think it would be cool to rework the smites to EBs like you stated, but remove all the new UA EB invocations, and then couple them with the new EB smite so you could have utility options with a decent damage increase.

Do people think stuff around level 5-6 is really a problem with multiclassing?

I thought it was the low-hanging fruit like fighter 2-3, warlock 2-3, paladin 2, etc. that people were annoyed with.

that's because the guidelines laid out in the book are retarded from both a narrative and balance standpoint.

Any word on when will the trove be updated with the new adventurer's league content? I'm a third world poor fag with no credit card for dmsguild.

Multiclassing stops being a concern around 7ish when it starts to be a serious commitment. I mean they just tacked on heavy restrictions on the smite invocation with the 5 lock req, lock slots only, and one per turn. They did all this despite a multiclassing Pala-lock does it better, more often and harder. They seem terrified to give them more melee options honestly.

PermaDM here. I don't like +1/2/3 armors or shields, and I don't like stuff like bracers of defense. When player AC gets really too high, it limits the CR of creatures that can be threatening in combat.

I'm thinking about making +1 shields reduce damage you take by 1 instead of giving 1 more AC. Any other items that give +1 AC give +1 HP per level instead.

Is this a decent idea compared to replacing those items in randomly rolled treasure?

> rolling for stats
Your opinion is already invalid.

From a purely mechanical perspective, what are the benefits of playing a dwarf martial instead of a half-orc?

+2 weapon is gone with the new UA.
Level 12 and you still haven't encounter stuff that can dispel,counterspell,true seeing, daylight?????

Not really because instead of not taking damage you're just giving them 1hp.

Better con. Resistance on the most common damage type.

>harder
It's the damage damage up to 4th level slots, and then at 5th level slots the warlock one hits harder. 1d8+1d8 per level means the number of dice is 1 higher than the slot used, which is the same math as paladin smite up 4th level slots.

I'm planning on allowing the old patron-specific weapons and the new one for patrons that didn't get a specific weapon.

I assume you mean classes that half-orc is the minmaxed choice for, and not stuff like rogue or wizard where dwarf makes the Str melee build viable.

The dwarf has +1 more Con, which helps with point buy or rolled stats. Stonecunning is useful in dungeons. The half-orc's crit racial isn't going to come into play that often unless you play Champion fighter or Hexblade.

1 point of DR is meaningless after level 3.

Just don't give your players stat boosting items.

It's more about more smites per combat, and improved smite makes up the difference in the long run.

A +2 shield would be 2 DR, +3 would 3 DR. And it's not limited to just bludgeoning, piercing, and slashing damage. Does that change the perception at all? IMO that makes it decent against hordes or damage auras.

>Better con. Resistance on the most common damage type.

It's not THAT much better, though. Also, isn't fire the most common damage type?

Yeah, I'm talking mainly Barbarian, Fighter, Paladin, etc.

Half-Orc just seems more useful and more engaging with two super useful abilities. Dwarf would be more appealing to me if they had the Goliath's Stone's Endurance ability.

Would giving Dwarf players Stone's Endurance be OP? Dwarves seem kind of weak (as martials) to me, so I personally wouldn't find anything wrong with it but I'm a very new DM still trying to learn the ropes.

Poison is much more common than fire. Dwarves are the defensive choice for martial. Discounting the armor proficiency, poison resistance is very good and the higher Con can let you allocate ability scores and feats in a more optimal way.

What are some cool lvl UA 15 builds?

>When player AC gets really too high, it limits the CR of creatures that can be threatening in combat.

Have you considered perhaps buffing the to hit modifier of the less threatening creatures? You're reinventing the wheel instead of taking the one in front of you.

After reading the thread....how do I Vengeance Paladin.

At the level at which you should be getting a +3 shield or suit of armor, -3 damage is going to be completely irrelevant.

Isn't that a past edition problem that made the +X stuff meaningless?

Just a reminder that these are the people making sure Warlock will never be anything more than a dip class and EB spammer.

Kill all redditors when?

>party encounters a friendly skeleton
>lawful good
>helps the party
>party might be suspicious
>party might doubt him or mistrust him
>skeleton ends up sacrificing his life for the party
>villain kills the skeleton before their eyes
>it turns out that the skeleton was ___ all along
Fill in the blank.

To be honest magic items that just give flat bonuses to stats are boring anyway. Items that give characters new abilities, even just minor ones, are way more interesting.

What's a meaningful amount of damage reduction at different tiers of play?

homosexual

All it would take is a firm ruling on limiting warlock smites/features to only work for warlocks. Allow invocation dips, and taking from their spell list but nothing else. Then top it off with EB being a feature.

I'm sick of powergaming fucking over shit that could be cool.

Be edge incarnate, smite all the evil, remember hunter's mark is good at lower levels after that stop using it

I'm finishing up a game where I gave items that gave abilities. The players would constantly forget they had those things, so I'm trying to find a middle ground.