MTG: Legacy General

Plus black has some of the largest one Mana threats.

What do you guys think of disposses for mono black control? I've been thinking about it a lot lately because it's three mana (ritual range) and can hit explosive artifacts that normally give monoblack fits, things like chalice of the void, charbelcher, lion's eye diamond, and aethervial.

Going to my first locals in a while. What should I be aware of?

What deck are you playing?

ANT in case my name wasn't obvious about it.

Too narrow I feel. Against combo, lost legacy is probably best because you just name tendrils or whatever their primary action piece is. And against prison decks, that's not the type of battle you want to be fighting I think. You are hoping to hit land + ritual + sideboard card just to potentially slow them down, which just isn't worth it.

Yeah, just ban DRS. Might as well ban the cantrip cartel too. Ban force of will, wasteland, and stp while we're at it. I want legacy to be goblins vs merfolk vs eldrazi aggro decks only. What a great format it would be if Veeky Forums was in charge of magic. Creatures bashing into each other is so cool. Have you guys heard of modern? That's a format that really has it figured out.

you're gonna lose and sometimes there's literally nothing you could have done. Maintain salt ratios

Grixis with Pyro Therapy and Gurmags would probably still be great, but RUG would certainly be a lot better without DRS.

I don't imagine theres anything I can tell you that you don't already know, best of luck dodging the Chalices and Lodestone Golems though.

Pls user, no. We don't need anymore heavy handed bans in legacy. I despise the 1 mana planeswalker, but I wouldn't advocate for it's ban unless its numbers are pushing upwards of 50% of decks running it. Granted It's starting to approach those numbers (45%) being the 4th most played non-land card, but I don't know if legacy can take another SDT level ban this quickly.

Ban drs, then reprint just the black half of him. He still exiles lands and and converts spells into damage, he just isnt overpowered.

What does a good creature look like in Legacy?

As in, like, what's your mental checklist of things a creature needs to be playable in Legacy?

or print the green half. The only reason he would warrant a ban is because he does both I do not support banning him; there might be (doubt it) more diversity in Midrange decks, but Reanimator is super warping when a bunch of decks aren't maindecking gravehate that isn't garbage in other matchups.

Does it cost 1-3 mana and is the effect it has complete bullshit. Other than that cmc can be whatever as long as it wins on the spot.

The green half is already printed on a few cards though, and black deserves to keep mana acceleration and the bleeder archetype.

>low mana cost
>high impact
>immediate value
>cheatable

Note: Creature may require more than one to be a contender. For example, impact and value could be through the roof but it wont matter if it never hits the field.

green half with mana acceleration? Where?

Birds and noble, the lifegain is on scooze

Is BUG Nicfit guy around? I had some questions about BUG vs. Junk builds and if combo matchups were better with the BUG version.

If I splashed color for burn, it would be black for DRS.

Joking aside, if we start to ban cards just because they are good, where the hell will that lead us? It's not like it goes into everything like mental misstep would. Sure it pushes towards BUG type midrange decks, but it's not like they wouldn't go in that direction anyway, although grixis is the most popular delver variant.

The way I see it you are just changing your matchup from reactive to proactive. Are we talking junk as in Thalia+thoughtseize times bazillion?

I'm not him, but BUG is better against T1 combos (Belcher, Reanimator, etc) since it gets Force and Flusterstorm.

If it's not T1, then I'd argue that Junk is better suited because it gets Canonist, Gaddok Teeg, and other hatebears to lock them out, which can get there with a good enough clock or protection of some kind.

I tried the Junk Rhinopod build, even with Thoughtseizes, Thalia's, and GSZ->Teeg after sideboard the fast combo matchups just felt awful. Maybe I just got really unlucky, but the win rate felt around 20-30% vs. storm variants and 30-40% vs. sneak and show.

Hymn -> hatebear is usually good. Then again, sometimes there's just bad draws.

I would imagine you just had worse draws than storm player. Thoughtseize into Thalia seems like one of those uphill battles for storm player. Especially Nic fit and cabal into veteran + cabal.

What do you guys think is the most underrated deck in the format?

for me is classic UB Reanimator (with brainstorm and FoWs)

I'm on board but only because I miss playing Nimble Mongoose.

UB is definitely solid, its still what I think of when someone mentions "reanimator," the main reasons rb is so much more popular are price and ease of play.

Personally I think aluren is pretty good right now, I really like the delver matchups and the deck is very fun

Speaking of mongoose, do any lists nowadays run it?
I kinda want to play some kind of big red/green frog in a blender deck

How the hell is reanimator underrated? Personally I think burn is valid deck (still), but nobody wants to play it. I would love to build some budget jank deck, but everything is either super trash or completely boring.

4x Brainstorm
4x Daze
4x Elvish Spirit Guide
3x Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
4x Force of Will
4x Living Wish
4x Lotus Petal
4x Ponder
3x Root Elemental
4x Simian Spirit Guide
3x Skirk Alarmist
1x sylvan library
18x lands

rate my meme

>more vulnerable sneak and show, that also has to wait a turn

they will never see it coming. Just wanted to try out the jank morph cards i found in my collection.

I'm working on getting the parts to build BR Reanimator. I have a full playset of both Unmask and Collective Brutality. I've seen some decklists run one or the other, but sometimes both. I've been leaning towards Unmask more. What do you guys think is better for the deck?

>Posts deck list with Living Wish
>doesn't post sideboard
Id rate it 60/75

D&T is an easy matchup if you play it right. Fetch basics when you can afford to, play out your artifact mana before Thalia if you can (even if they Revoker it, as long as you have lands they're not revoking your important cards. Bridge is essential for stalling out the game, but if you manage to get two if them it's pretty close to a hard lock. Dack should generally NOT come down as soon as you can play him unless you're taking a vial T2 on the play. It's often better to sandbag him a bit to bait out a Revoker on something else (which you can then block with/Transmute away/sac to Foundry) or to steal an equipment. Use Dack in the late game to make sure that you're not drawing FoW under Bridge. Take out your Chalices and some number of FoW, bring in Wraths for post SB games. Make sure you're not doing stupid shit like playing out Foundry on T2 before you have open mana or preferably Sword of the Meek available so you don't get murdered by Revoker. Unless you get unlucky with your mana or your opponent has the nut multiple Revoker/Mirran Crusader draw, it should be simple to draw the game out to the late game where your deck is much better than theirs.

>the main reasons rb is so much more popular
Is speed. Literally that. You get under deathrite, chalice, your resilient against counter magic, and you have a ridiculously good game 2 for a graveyard based deck. There is a reason UB has fallen off the map and it's not price. I have everything I need to make UB and I'm still rolling with BR.

I've messed around with a DDFT/SI hybrid list a bit but didn't have a lot of success. I might play around a bit more though. I'm not a fan of the unearth-lab man kill. In a list like that I'd play only the tendrils kill. You're never not going to have enough storm, and you'd play fewer "dead" cards.

>Change 4 cards for 12 cards
Sure

Why can't you just throw dark rituals into the ub deck?

Next you are going to tell me burn is played only by highly experienced players who choose that deck because of its complex lines of play. Certainly RB has advantages over UB and can be better in certain metagames, but I'm sure that at least part of its popularity was that it was by far the cheapest tier 1 deck in the format and very easy to play.

That meta game where it was better was a miracles/Drs meta. Now with miracles gone everyone just keeps rolling on RB because it's assumed the De facto best version. It still could be, I don't play reanimator. But having a high density of nut draws is a strong asset in long tournaments.

the bearded dragon?

pics Maro-related

Why there is no mono red/prison/meme playing magus of the wheelz ?

also :

>merfolk spirit guide (2)(Blue)
>1/2 islandwalk
>exile merfolk spirit guide from your hand: Add Blue to your mana pool.

yes or never ?

A hand that requires a turn or two of cantripping negates the benefit of dark rit and it doesn't pitch to Force of Will.

I would argue that miracles had little to do with the shift in popularity and posit that deathrite and perhaps to a lesser extent, chalice, are the primary factors. Furthermore, the meta in which BR thrives over UB is still very much present.

Black deserves a spirit guide before blue. Then we'd have the jund trifecta. Spirit guides are loopy shaman shite that blue shouldn't be interested in anyway.

>Have you guys heard of modern?
>That's a format that really has it figured out.
I mean, you aren't wrong.

>Why there is no mono red/prison/meme playing magus of the wheelz ?
You're a prison deck trying to kill the opponent before they find an answer to your lock piece. Getting them 7 cards deeper to an answer is WAYYYYY worse for you than you getting 7 more cards is for them.

Also if you want to dig 7 cards down, that usually means you're looking for something. If you're looking for something, you don't have time to play a vanilla 3/3 and wait a turn.

I should have been more clear. I think a long game favors miracles, and ub is designed to play a slightly longer game.l. whereas rb could play like Belcher vs miracles and lean on probability and redundancy. All the counterbalance around made people play drs/decay decks, which rb is slightly better against. Now that miracles is gone and the meta shaken up, reanimator players have just kept playing rb rather than consider ub. On the other hand with all the drs still around rb is still probably better.

Asking here because there's no judge thread and I'm assuming one of you old fucks know your MTG history.

magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/artifacts-and-color-2003-10-03

At the bottom of the article he's taking about removing Legendary from Krark's Thumb with Artificial Evolution, but did that ever actually work rules-wise? It looks like the answer should be no because Legend was changed to a super type by the time Mirrodin came out

Hey guys. I'm new to magic and was wondering if I should go to FNM tonight for booster draft. I have some questions.

>How much is it to play?
>Do you keep the deck you construct?
>Will I be terribly embarrassed?

Drafts are usually ~$15, you pick a card then pass the rest of the pack along, and do that over and over again for 3 packs. You keep all the cards you pick, but you don't have to play every card (usually you only play around 23 and also play 17 lands that are provided by the store). You won't be embarrassed, aside from prereleases fnm drafts are most oriented towards new players, and people are usually very helpful.

To clarify a bit, the cost can vary depending on the prizes.

Legendary was a creature type until the mirodin set and it would seem it was still classified as such in addition to a super type until the grand creature type update in 2007.

So pretty new to Legacy, but I'm thinking of getting into it since the new LGS I started going to has a pretty big playerbase for it.
Is delver any fun to play? Or do you guys have a good suggestion for an interactive deck? Budget isn't really an issue

If you want interactive id look into esper death blade or nic fit. Otherwise anything with abrupt decays, force of wills, and cabal therapy's in the same deck is quite interactive

I'm honestly surprised and frustrated that they had tribal be a type instead of a supertype.

Grixis Delver is all interaction and is Tier 1 right now, if budget isn't an option. It can be hella fun, as long as you don't care that you'll get riggity rekt by any competent Stoneblade/Midrange player

Unmask increases goldfish speed if your meta is weird enough to not feature drs.dec, Brutality is better in every other way except mana cost since it gains life, wins games every now and then and is card advantage neutral when killing drs or discarding surgical/permission.

> morph cards
> jank

pick one, and don't pick morph

someone post an infinite combo where you can flip a morph card an arbitrary number of times

Thanks user, I'll look into it.
I played delver way back in 2011 standard, so it might be a bit nostalgic to play a good version of the deck. I guess I'll see what the local meta is like.

They had to for it to function properly. Instants and sorceries cant have creature subtypes, so they created tribal as a noncreature card type that could.

Thanks for the advice. I'll definitely start trying Collective Brutality more.

Secret sideboard tech against Show and Tell. Don't tell anyone Veeky Forums

>2011
That was literally more than half a decade ago

what if they put in Omniscience?

Is this card legacy playable? I think it might be.
my spiral of despair continues

>one for MAYBE one
>non-repeatable in a vacuum
this is no where up to par of what Legacy is looking for...

Digging 5 at instant speed is good for 2 mana, especially when it can hit free countermagic for you to cast. It can also be used to ship cards to the bottom with brainstorm as an imprumptu fetch I guess. The question is really if the restriction is worth getting a card deeper than Impulse.

Hey Veeky Forums, this is my toolbox for Nic Fit

3x DRS
1x Teeg
1x Scooze
1x Tireless Tracker
1x Rhonas, the Abominable
1x Witness
1x Thragtusk
3x Rhino
1x Titania
1x Sigarda

Anyone have any spicy suggestions for silver bullets or finishers?
Also can anyone help me make a decent sideboard for an open (online) meta?

Academy rector + recurring nightmare

You laugh at them when they have no followup action in hand or Ponder into some lands.

So I've been testing it in a UB DDFT list and preliminary results are encouraging, although my sample size is still small. It's in a list that's >50% instants and sorceries so the chance to hit something off it is ~99%. It basically serves the purpose of digging deep to find a Doomsday or a ritual, but it can also draw into a doomsday pile. I see it as a cross between a tutor and a cantrip and it's been working pretty well like that, digging deep and finding specific cards. I certainly don't think it would be good in every deck.

Is DDFT even still a thing without Top?

I'm trying. The loss of top has caused me to try things like peer.

>MFW I'm putting in Deep Spawn into my UB Reanimator deck for the next Legacy night

Homarids represent! It's got Trample. It can dodge removal. It fills up the graveyard. It pitches to Force of Will.

>ub reanimator
I think ub is the inferior choi-
>with homarids
Carry on.

Only if you run the full package.

Is it bad that I actually really like cards like this, where you combo them together to get one big bad drop? I find them so satisfying, just collecting all the pieces and playing something big. Maybe I should just become a Yugi-Oh fag.

DRS doesn't need to be banned. there are plenty of ways for any strategy to deal with it.

Or learn to play MtG, because that's literally what many decks do.

Oy boyos, should I finish building nic fit or just build dga/junkblade? Would your answer remain the same under a DRS ban?

Do you want to be the more active player or slow your deck and be on more reactive/controlling side? Nic fit is one of the decks that least benefit from DRS compared to grixis/BUG delver.

I played pox back in legacy like ten years ago when it was semi viable, it was a fun time. I have all but the duals and fetches for nic fit, and there's a lot of spells for dgablade that are bank breaking. Scrims for nic fit are fun but when you're in top deck mode it feels insecure as opposed to how pox used to in the haydays. I like the tap out midrange style of nic fit as well. Basically if I can play black I'm in my element.

Maybe you would like to play Nic fit as recurring type deck. Maybe birthing pod type or play 4 of eternal witness. Should probably proxy some builds myself to get the better feel how the matchup go for the deck.

What I like about this is that all the cards required to get out the Unspeakable are pretty ok and not total crap at all.

Should make a bug nic fit deck with this combo in it. That way if you happened to draw the unspeakable you could just cast it probably.

Noob question coming through.

I'm watching someone play Lands and they check the first card of their deck after the mulligan stage. Is this a Legacy mechanic or is there something in the Lands deck that lets you do this?

Video in question: youtube.com/watch?v=BkF6N0zacwc

New mulligan rules, been around like a year and a half now guy.