Let's talk about race and miscegenation in DnD settings, shall we?
I've always found it a problem how Wizards of the Coast and Paizo (and basically every other fantasy company) love to say how you can find black people in the furthest reaches of the North because travel is somehow easier and more available to Humanity in their setting, but that leaves me with a question.
Why are there still white people?
Easy travel means easy migration, and Not!Europe has always been portrayed as exceptionally fertile and rich with resources, things that people from the more wild parts of the setting (typically the Not!Africa) would desire. Considering how hyper-tolerant and inclusive these fantasy countries tend to be towards Humans of all shapes, sizes, gender orientations and creeds, wouldn't this mean over the thousands upon thousands of years they've been established, that eventually the country is going to get brown as immigrants spill into the region and intermarry among the locals? African features like dark hair, dark eyes and dark skin are, after all, very dominant genes.
You could tell me immigration doesn't do that, and you'd be right to say things like the Anglo-Saxon invasion of Britain or the Volkswanderung of the Migration Period hardly put a dent into the local ethnography, but those only took place over the course of a hundred or two hundred years, not the thousands you could see in something like Golarion or Faerun.
So... What's the deal? Why do they add black people into Not!Scandinavia without even touching on the implications such easy migration and movement would imply?
People tend to stick to their own ethnic groups, because they have the same culture and values. Mix those together and you get shit like Egypt or Latin America where it's pointless to try and do racial divides for the most part.
Cooper Hughes
>Let's talk about race and miscegenation in DnD settings, shall we? Let's not.
Robert Turner
I feel like most people in Golarion are some shade of brown though. Dunno about Faerun.
Brandon Morgan
If species can mix why do orcs, elves, humans, dwarves etc. Still exist? Wouldn't everyone be one race of greenish brownish slightly pointed ear manlets
Joseph Taylor
When that happens, the gods reset the material plane, since the racial gods don't get any worshippers.
This is the sixth time this has happened.
Chase White
>Mix those together and you get shit like Egypt or Latin America where it's pointless to try and do racial divides for the most part.
See, that's what should happen because settings with non-white characters in "white regions" never actually bring up or even imply they're something out of the ordinary beyond their features and name.
Jayden Ward
This please.
Hunter Flores
African features might not be as dominant among the setting's version of Africans.
Nolan Clark
>People tend to stick to their own ethnic groups
Keep telling yourself that while you cry in a corner as all of your female relatives get raped by immigrants, swedecuck
Camden Bailey
>Let's talk about race and miscegenation in DnD settings, shall we?
NO
FUCK OFF
David Russell
>Why are there still whites? Same reason we still have whites now. Just because you can move to an area and breed doesn't mean you will. Besides, in most of the settings I'm familiar with, the majority of the population is perfectly happy where they are. That or no one ever travels to their location making it much harder for them to leave, assuming they want to. Then tack on basic attraction. Just because McNig could get all the white womans doesn't guarantee he will. Could be he likes Ms. Nig a lot better than that white girl.
Anyway, stupid thread is stupid.
Hudson Ortiz
Not him, but last I checked all those "immigrants" were sticking together in a single area. Which would support his point.
Jason Murphy
>Let's talk about race and miscegenation in DnD settings, shall we? Where Do You Think You Are?
Luis Foster
>Swede Oh user, I'm not that picky of a man.
Eli Adams
And the only reason demographics in those areas are changing is because natives refuse to have children while immigrants have 5-7 per woman.
Which raises another question; how are there still Humans left in settings like Golarion or Faerun? You hardly ever run into families while campaigning in those worlds, and when you do they either have one child, or if the woman's particularly raunchy they have two. You never see a farm with the stocky wife and her brood of a half-dozen kids - in fact, I recall a famous quote from Jessica Price (a lead developer of Pathfinder and thus Golarion) who said there is "nothing wrong with most women in this setting having 0-2 children" and went on to say how women weren't forced into becoming "breeders" by the patriarchy.
So... How are people still around, considering disease, famine, monster and magic are rampant?
Gavin Moore
People think orcs worship the orc gods because they're orks, and elves with the elf gods etc. They're wrong. Orcs are orcs because they worship the orc gods. Worshipping certain gods changes your physical characteristics. This is why races exist. Halfbreeds are just conflicted between two pantheons.
Asher Collins
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Christian Hill
Because stop being sexist.
Gabriel Collins
>t. libcuck
Don't you have to go renew your membership to BLACKED.com and surf /r/cuckold, lad?
Jose Watson
Aside from this being a massive /pol/bait thread, let's start from the top.
>travel is easier- Maybe it's easier to physically get from point A to point B, but the journey certainly isn't. Monsters, monster races, generic fantasy brigands, etc. pollute the road.
>europe fertile, hyper-tolerant, etc What, and Not!Africa isn't? Or that they don't have their shaman men to keep things in line out there/populace controlled/etc?
>genetics This is a world where humans and fire elementals can interbreed, I don't think that standard genetics really apply. For one, the actual definition of a species is out the window.
>black people in not!Scandinavia Either they're going for the 'unusual foreigner' character, or it's just some shitty tokenism.
Jayden Cooper
I've never actually encountered a black human in a fantasy game. There's no reason for GMs to include niggers or for players to play them when half-orcs exist.
Gavin Ward
Conservatives are actually more likely to be into cuck fetishism.
Xavier Stewart
>African features like dark hair, dark eyes and dark skin are, after all, very dominant genes. I mean if you're retarded you might think that's true.
Joshua Martinez
Because they just want the average place to be white country with some blacks ie the USA.
If the USA was irrelevant and the hegemonic power was another country the minority would be different or not exist.
Tyler Rodriguez
>Because they just want the average place to be white country with some blacks ie the USA.
Isn't the USA 60% white and still dropping?
Carson Ward
To expand on this guy's point, the weight behind cuckoldry (especially black cuckoldry) is the belief that the other man, the "Bull", is little more than a huge bestial cock, an unthinking animal with which your wife or girlfriend can satisfy herself in primal passions while you provide her with the safety and security of a more civilized man. That is the secret behind cuckoldry, it's a fancy form of pseudo-bestiality where you're watching a woman get rough-fucked by a man that is, for all intents and purposes, about as "human" in your mind as a dog or horse.
Hell, this is where you get the stereotype of blacks having big dicks; large penises have always been associated with nature and savagery (and small dicks with the civilized man) and black men having huge schlongs is a way to say they're aggressive and unthinking.
Cameron Ramirez
>why are there still whites?
Xavier Russell
This.
Being ok with something usually also generally mean apathy toward it.
Cooper Carter
There are no "whites".
Aaron Miller
But the relevant USA is that of movies and tv shows and that's mostly whites with some token blacks (except in black tv/movies where it's mostly blacks with some token whites).
Recently also hispanics, but the very concept of hispanic is hard to import outside of the real world/USA since they come in all shapes and colors. You can make a black viking but it's harder to make an hispanic one.
Jason Nelson
>African features like dark hair, dark eyes and dark skin are, after all, very dominant genes.
This is an outright lie.
1) There's no such thing as 'very' dominant genes. 2) Darker skin is recessive, and for the other two, it's that blue/green eyes and blonde/red hair are both specific mutations. Light hair is *extremely* dominant - i.e. brown hair.
If there were to be black people in Scandinavia in generic fantasy, they would die very rapidly because their skin and features are extremely poorly adapted for cold environment. You know... like what happened in real life. Which is how white people came to exist in the first place. Or, if you believe in the European theory, in reverse.
Practically, the kinds of hack writers that make generic fantasy don't give a fuck about realism. They're universally left-of-center and want to make sure they include diversity in their games, which means having brown people everywhere and certainly no specific places for white people. But at the same time, they want to write an 'interesting' and 'vibrant' world, which, shockingly, isn't possible when every nation is a democratic state of mild-mannered brown people. So they add in national character and ethnic identities. But they don't remove everything being multi-racial, because it would be racist, and therefore leave in a blatant clash of values and realities. Thinking is hard.
Regardless, you sound like a /pol/poster who jacks off to cuckold porn. Kindly get off this board and never return, thanks.
Robert Gutierrez
>I've always found it a problem how Wizards of the Coast and Paizo (and basically every other fantasy company) love to say how you can find black people in the furthest reaches of the North Those are usually individuals and adventurers at that i.e people who probably aren't going to live long enough to breed and even if they did get it on with a native it's a drop in the bucket.
To use Golarion as an example, very few Mwangi actually leave the expanse. Those that do are either >traders >Wizard kids going to study at other wizarding universities >adventurous friends of those wizard kids.
Mason Howard
Fuck off retard, this shit is dumb and you know it
Jackson Allen
yes that was the reference i was making
Easton Gomez
Everything you said is wrong
Matthew Thompson
I also like how OP conveniently glosses over all the asian people you can find in !Europe in Golarion too.
Caleb Nelson
Great rebuttal, cuckanon.
Logan Hall
>If there were to be black people in Scandinavia in generic fantasy, they would die very rapidly because their skin and features are extremely poorly adapted for cold environment Man I didn't know brown people immediately keeled over and died in the snow and that whites die when exposed to temperatures above 90 degrees!
What's the optimal asian temperature then?
Jacob Martinez
Are you really so retarded you didn't understand what I was saying? The "immigrants" are keeping to their own areas. They are not assimilating into the wider culture. Instead they sit in their self-induced ghettos. Why? Oh shit, it's because they want to stick with their own ethnic group! Holy hell, who could have guessed that?
Fuck if I know, I'm not familiar with those two specifically. If you don't breed you don't survive. Going by what you've said, it sounds more like political correctness fucking over logic.
James Myers
Let me take this very slowly since simple logic is clearly not your strong point.
When ancient peoples migrated to areas with less sun and colder temperatures, people with darker skin coloration grew increasingly more fatigued and slow due to natural inability to, among other things, absorb and store certain essential vitamins from the sun, or breathe in stiffer air. This is why, as you go north, native populations become increasingly paler: Compare the people of Italy to Germany to Norway, or Southern India to Tibet to Korea. Over millions of years, populations in colder areas became more pale, grew sharper features, and adapted other mutations like blue eyes and blonde hair (in europe) that made them more capable and competent in the cold, sunless regions of the far north.
And yes - an actual dark-skinned black man going to Scandinavia, without medicine, would die in a few weeks. In places like Finland, many do.
Do you get how evolution works now, user?
Ryder Murphy
Thread has potential, keep it going.
Carter Hall
The Not!Asians are explicitly traditionalist xenophobes who stick among themselves.
Henry Carter
Bump :^)
Jackson Jones
I don't know where the fuck that is written, but I'm pretty sure that's false.
Xavier Reyes
>immigrants don't rape anyone it's a /pol/lack lie!
Shouldn't you be prepping Mohammed so he can rape your sister?
Levi Wright
Why are elves, orcs, etc referred to as 'races' and not 'species'? This gets even worse in sci-fi settings
Liam Hall
>So... What's the deal? Why do they add black people into Not!Scandinavia without even touching on the implications such easy migration and movement would imply? Cause people don't give a shit. I certainly don't.
I don't even care if you are wrong or right. Your opinions is boring OP.
Dominic Phillips
>Italy
Italy and Spain prove OP's point, though: those areas got conquered by darker skinned populations from the south and the rape of their armies resulted in pale skinned populations becoming darker due to miscegenation.
Ryan Ross
america is 90% lightskinned black females with frizzy hair
Leo Johnson
Because we are all one race, the sentient race
Landon Davis
If people did not stick to their own ethnic groups more often than not, there would be no more clear ethnic groups after a few generations. I know you're just shitposting but if we even took just 50% race-mixing with each generation, within 4 generations less than 10% of the population would be definitively part of any one particular ethnic group.
Luis Thomas
IRL, ethnic groups swap skin colors every other century and race is the social construct drawing lines between something that really is a spectrum. It's nothing more than how related to someone else you are, and you're simply less and less related the farther we get from you.
So why are there 'still white people'? No, that's not how it works. It's "This country is currently white and may be so for 250-1000 years depending on conditions."
Hudson Carter
>IRL, ethnic groups swap skin colors every other century so were american slaves originally white?
Nolan Myers
If they can breed and produce fertile offspring, they aren't distinct species
Landon Moore
Oh, okay. You really are just fucking retarded. I wasn't even talking about whether they were raping or not. I was simply pointing out that they are not assimilating to the larger culture and prefer to live in ghettos surrounded by their fellow "immigrants". You know, preferring to be around their own ethnic groups. Any crimes committed are irrelevant to the point.
Luke Butler
My GF is a cuckquean and gets off watching me fuck other chicks. What does that mean?
Jaxon Sanders
Irish slaves. On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, the groups you're intending to reference haven't swapped yet, but America's 'white' looks more ready to turn hispanic orange while the blacks turn white or at least lighter and the hispanics become a different brown shade, but this could take another 200 years and anything could happen to stop it or make it go a different direction.
Owen Lee
... What? Do you know nothing about the Jade Quarter and Kalsgard or the Path of Aganhei? The people that flee to Avistan are refugees and tradesman, and even then Tien explicitly disown sons and daughters that try to date the natives.
Gavin Torres
Those place were never pale.
Colton Morris
Except that's completely not true at all, you ignorant moron. Spain, in particular, was conquered by:
1) The olive-skinned to fairly pale Romans 2) Extremely pale Visigoths from Scandinavia 3) Muslims
Isaac Nguyen
I wish
Brayden Cooper
Women don't need excuses like race to hate each other.
Tyler Fisher
That she's a normal woman. A man who fucks lots of women is an alpha with lots of resources, and to resources attract females.
>African features like dark hair, dark eyes and dark skin are, after all, very dominant genes.
Not sure that applies in a setting where the elements are 'Earth, Air, Fire and Water' and a person can be half-basically any creature regardless of if they are actually the same species or even genus.
Nolan Myers
>What's the deal? Apart from you being a moron, you mean?
1. Individuals in the old world actually fairly mobile, even as far back as bronze age. Not many move that much, but some do (traders, etc.) so your premise is shit. 2. When there's a choice between a human with a darker skin and a troll who wants to rip your guts out and eat them while you watch, which would you rather your daughter married?
Christian Wood
>which would you rather your daughter married? Obviously the troll. Whatever the setting, they are usually either large and muscular with powerful regenerative abilities, or mystical and wise with a strange connection to the earth. Either way they will bring our family far more benefit than climbing along the human social ladder for a generation or two.
Besides, might get to score with a huldra girl at the wedding.
Lincoln Miller
This implies the human with darker skin doesn't also want to do that. He does.
Nathan Perry
To paraphrase pre-Civil War blokes, >People in the north don't mind blacks getting uppity, so long as they don't get too close. >People in the south don't mind blacks getting close, so long as they don't get too uppity.
Christopher Hughes
I suspect it's about even down the line, it's just those that lean in a particular direction philosophically try to justify their disgusting fetish in different ways. I've met plenty of liberals who will drone on about how cuckolding is the most intellectual fetish because emotional turmoil and other garbage, but what it ultimately amounts to is low self-esteem meets sex.
Jaxson Clark
>Oh shit, it's because they want to stick with their own ethnic group!
Or they're not given a reason to mingle. When integration is seen as something a Nazi would do, the system doesn't encourage it, and then you got puritans in the group talking mad shit about outsiders to keep everyone together.
Jordan Butler
How have mods not removed this thread already?
I get a ban for announcing sage once, but blatant /pol/ tier racebaiting is ok?
Anthony Perez
That's the same thing user. If they have no reason to part from other members of their ethnic group it means they want to be with other members of their ethnic group. It's simply the better alternative as they see it.
Robert Torres
It's the reverse you plebe, snownigger came from north and destroy civilization.
Carson Morgan
Veeky Forums's janitors don't read much or open images.
Tyler Richardson
Basically they don't want to admit they're being cuckolded because they're an unsatisfactory specimen, so they come up with some justification to protect their ego?
Nolan Carter
Well, I mean, if I didn't have any reason to go to work, I probably wouldn't. Does that mean I don't want to work or just that I have no reason to work?
Cameron Campbell
Yes. If you have no reason then you do not want. In order to want something you need motivation. If you have no motivation to work then you have no "want" to work.
Mason Fisher
It's Veeky Forums. Half the front page is obvious bait threads right now and yet we're having civil intellectual discussions.
Nolan Rogers
Bans are almost wholly random.
I got banned for posting a drawing of a girl savouring a stream of apple juice from an unknown source.
James Scott
spbp
Kevin Martin
Well, those are fantasy games, so logically, they made up a fantasy where the white man doesn't get cucked
Jack Scott
Forgotten Realms at least actually has the answer to this; their "African" folk are dark-skinned and that's about it, and otherwise have no equivalents to actual African culture whatsoever (since they DO live in a fantasy world mind you), instead more resembling the Redguard from Elder Scrolls in that they just happen to be of a different ethnicity. The Turami people (mahogany skin, curly hair) inhabit a wide range cultures (trading city-states, full nations, warlike city-states, and confederated villages being among the canon cultures in Faerun), and if anything can be "consistently" said about them is that they're often good sailors because their nations tend to border the ocean. There's no "mass migration" because they aren't any better or worse off then anyone else in the setting geographically, and the only Turami folk someone from the North are likely to meet are traders and adventuring types or descendants from those folks.
The actual "Africa" of Faerun, the Chultan Penninsula, actually has less of a human population then it does populations of lizardfolk and yuan-ti.
Basically, in the setting you used as an example the designers created it before the lazy-ass "let's copy the real world and dress it up in a fantasy setting" fad had ever really started and they could instead design entire nations of dark-skinned people using no real-life cultural references at all.
William Turner
You hit the lottery.
James Ramirez
The white man is always cucked, that is their nature.
Charles Mitchell
...
Tyler Torres
You need to see a doctor if you are peeing apple juice. I do agree about bans seeming to be random.
Joseph Perry
Maybe in a fantasy world, dark hair dark eyes etc are not dominant genes at all.
In fact it could be totally unrelated. It could be in a fantasy world that a nigger family who moves to a snowy north turns white with time. It's fantasy.